Nearly 9 Out of 10 Smartphones Shipped Run On Android (cnet.com) 220
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: Google's Android operating system was the big winner in a big time for worldwide phone shipments, market researcher Strategy Analytics reported Wednesday. Android captured 88 percent of all smartphone shipped in the third quarter of 2016, a period that also marks the fastest growth rate in a year. "Android's gain came at the expense of every major rival platform," Strategy Analytics' Linda Sui said in a press release. "Apple iOS lost ground to Android and dipped to 12 percent [market]share," primarily because of "lackluster" sales in China and Africa, she said. And don't bother looking for BlackBerry and Microsoft Windows phones in the mix. They "all but disappeared" in the period between July 1 and the end of September. While Android's leading position looks "unassailable," it does face challenges in a market filled with phones made by hundreds manufacturers, few of which turn a profit. That's not helped by Google's new Pixel phone, which competes against the companies that made it popular in the first place, Strategy Analytics said. About 375 million smartphones shipped in the third quarter of 2016, up 6 percent from 354.2 million units in the same period last year. Shipments of Android-based phones rose 10.3 percent, while Apple's iPhones fell 5.2 percent.
What's shipping? (Score:3)
For 'brand new' shipping today devices what versions of Android are going out?
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6 probably
And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old ... (Score:5, Informative)
version today
https://developer.android.com/... [android.com]
Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . (Score:4, Informative)
If only it mattered, you would have a point.
Seriously, my two year old OnePlus One is on Marshmallow, a version behind the latest Nougat, or two if you want to count the recent 7.1 update. It doesn't matter, I still get security updates, it still runs every app I throw at it. There are a few new features in Nougat but actually a lot of the important stuff is part of the Google Launcher so runs on my phone anyway.
The phone is better than the day I bought it, secure and I'd rather it remains that way instead of getting updates that eventually cripple it or change functionality in annoying ways. If/when Nougat is available I'll evaluate it, but I'm not obsessed with being on the latest version and usually wait a month before installing updates for safety anyway.
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Unless you're using your phone for financial transactions security updates aren't all that critical. I use my phone for phone calls and reading books, you tube, surfing and listening to music. I don't use it to buy stuff because I don't trust it because I have absolutely no control whatsoever over the operating system. It has apps I can't get rid of and I get updates I don't want. I'm never going to trust that kind of system.
Some Observations (Score:5, Interesting)
The old Samsung does everything the iPhone does. I noticed the Apple marketing for the iPhone 7 recently, and the things the iPhone 7 camera can do I have been able to do on my Samsung for the last three years. (Not that I do, they're mostly gimmicks).
All of my wife's friends were Apple users until the last 12 months or so, now my wife is the last iPhone user in her group of friends. That's hardly a scientific poll or anything, but white, relatively wealthy middle class women used to be the core iPhone buyer.
Just my two cents worth really, make of it what you will.
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Can you grill a cheese sandwich with an iPhone ?, you know you can with a Samsung and STILL have enough juice to iron your shirt.
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The Joke
Your Head
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Apple made the smart move when they jumped to selling privacy and unlike M$ not selling your privacy to others but selling your privacy to you. Apple are bound to push that harder and harder and one think likely to be banned at Apple, targeted advertisement because nothing screams absence of privacy, we own your life, like individually targeted advertisements. So basically Apple will hold it's own in the market, basically at around 10% and that is still millions of people, so plenty market there for Apple.
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I think there's a heavy pull back to your first smartphone platform. I've always used Android and I find iPhones very hard work. And people often do a (by definition) high-end iPhone -> mid-range / budget Android and then wonder about why it doesn't feel as good...
I think the lock-in to whatever Apple's decisions are is one of the most risky things about iPhone - we're seeing it now with the new MacBook 'Pro' that nobody likes. If you want a Mac you're stuck with whatever they release. Same with iPhone.
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Don't be daft, of course they won't kill the touch screen. They'll kill the ability to make phone calls.
Phone calls! That's a 140 year old tech! Time we ditched it!
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A friend started on iPhone all enthusiastic with the 3G. But then nothing new or exciting came from Apple so he switched to Android. He was about to get a Samsung next but that proved a bit too exciting so he's back to iPhones now.
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iPhone or Android, you're talking about getting your phone basically free on contract
If you buy your phone on contract, you're getting it 'free' in the sense that you're getting a loan at 50-100% APR. I buy my phones myself and it would take me 2-3 years to spend as much on calls / data / SMS as even a mid-range phone.
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That only works if your carrier gives you a decent discount for BYOD, many do not. Around here the carriers have just now started to offer BYOD plans, but they're priced such that if you paid more than about $200 for your device you'd still be better off taking the "free" phone from the carrier. (and $200 doesn't buy you much of a device around here)
Unless carriers are forced to unbundle the phones from the plans, they'll keep milking that.
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I have 1 phone of each platform - iOS, Android and Windows Phone. An iPhone 7 (just upgraded from 5s, which I passed on to my niece), a Moto X and a Lumia 550.
I use the iPhone for only two things - WhatsApp and FaceTime, as well as talking to family. The Moto X I use as a work phone, and have all the apps needed for work. The Lumia I use as a travel phone abroad.
The iPhone is probably the last I'll use, unless it breaks down: it has a whopping 128GB of storage, which should last me I think 10 years
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The iPhone is probably the last I'll use, unless it breaks down: it has a whopping 128GB of storage, which should last me I think 10 years.
The storage? Maybe.
The battery? You really think it will hold more than ten seconds of charge six years from now? Good luck getting it changed.
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Yeah, I forgot that you are compelled to upgrade to each new version.
No wait, there are still people on iOS 6 and working just fine.
well no joke (Score:5, Informative)
Awesome... (Score:4, Interesting)
So we ended up with the MS of the mobile world. Don't get me wrong, I use an Android phone, and I think things are OK right now, but if Google decided to become a super dick -- the battle starts all over again.
I think my next phone will run Ubuntu.
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Calling Google a dick in an indirect comparison to Apple is like seeing an orange next to a lemon and saying "Wow, that orange is pretty damn yellow!".
Yeah, Google aren't the saints the once were, but Apple were never saints. Apple sets the gold standard for dickishness in the tech world. The fact that they've done one or two nice things in the past just means they aren't complete dicks, only mostly dicks. They still treat their employees like dirt, their customers like morons, and their app developers like
88% is 7 out of 8 (Score:2)
No need to round before finding a nice ratio approximation, it adds error needlessly.
note 7 joke (Score:5, Funny)
Meanwhile behind the Apple RDF... (Score:5, Funny)
Selling at a loss (Score:5, Interesting)
Samsung was the only Android handheld manufacturer making any actual profit (not a loss or breaking even), and the billions upon billions of dollars of costs for the Note 7 issues have wiped out years worth of profit for the things. That means that at this point, Apple is the only company actually making any significant profit in the industry.
So, is it really so bad to only have 12% of the market when you're the only ones making any money?
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is it really so bad to only have 12% of the market when you're the only ones making any money?
In the short-term it is just fine. In the longer term, not so much. I am reminded of the 90's when the Mac's 9% marketshare was about the same as Gateway, but they made 5 times as much profit. That didn't last long and after a few years Apple had to install Microsoft's godawful browser at the factory in exchange for a stock-for-cash infusion. The Mac never saved us from MS hegemony; Linux servers and web-app
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Samsung was the only Android handheld manufacturer making any actual profit (not a loss or breaking even), and the billions upon billions of dollars of costs for the Note 7 issues have wiped out years worth of profit for the things. That means that at this point, Apple is the only company actually making any significant profit in the industry.
So, is it really so bad to only have 12% of the market when you're the only ones making any money?
Hmm. I imagine Google is making $$$ hand over fist off advertising revenue, with such a huge install base. Handset manufacturers must be choosing to deploy at a loss if they're losing money on this deal. And who's fault is that? Not Google or Android.
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Well, if your share of the market drops below a certain point (technically known as the Blackberry point) then you won't get the new apps developed for your platform. And then you die. Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
Of course rich people has Apple so it cannot die, and bla, bla. Well, rich people has money to change their phone in seconds if the NewHipApp isn't available for iOS. It's not like they are married to their iPhones, or rather it is like they are married to them, seeing how easily everybod
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People have been saying that for 6+ years now, yet somehow all these other loss-making manufacturers are still in business and still releasing new models.
LG makes money, HTC makes money, OnePlus makes money, Xaomi makes money, Motorola makes money, Huwawei makes money... The only people really struggling are Microsoft, Nokia and Blackberry, the ones who don't embrace Android.
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Except they're not. LG's mobile division posted a $389.4M loss last quarter (and another loss the quarter before), HTC has posted a loss every quarter for years ($64M last quarter), OnePlus hasn't published any financial info since 2014 and so I would suspect is taking a loss, Xiaomi's sales are in freefall causing the company to drop 92% in value, and Motorola Mobility is now owned by Lenovo after bouncing around from owner to owner and is still losing money.
Of all the companies you mentioned, only Huawei
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Simple math (Score:2)
There are a grand total of 10 smart phones that can run the latest iOS, or one previous version.
On the Android side, LG, Samsung, Huawei, HTC and Motorola each have as many compatible devices or more. Significantly more in some cases.
I can't find a comprehensive list of all the smart phones that are android compatible (mostly because the market is so fragmented on versions) but it seems very likely that Android has 10x as many platforms as iOS, if not more... so it seems reasonable that they'd have 10x the
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That's kinda the point, right?
Apple can support 4 year old hardware because they only release one new device per year (with a few minor variations.)
There are probably more new Android-capable phones released in a given month than all of the iPhones ever released since ever.
So Android dominates the market using the old tried and true method: zerg rush. The new droid OS doesn't need to support old hardware cuz twe've got new hardware platforms flying out of every orifice.
Microsoft Rubbing Hands In Glee (Score:2)
Still making a killing on Android patents [businessinsider.com] from direct competitors without having to lift a finger, must be nice.
Just as a thought experiment... (Score:2, Insightful)
Imagine what would have happened if it was the iPhone 7 battery the one exploding here and there. The hit that iOS would have taken would have been brutal. However, while Samsung suffers, Android doesn't even register the Note 7 debacle. Samsung could disappear tomorrow and other companies would take its sales in a blink. Evolution at work. That's because Android is a platform, not a company. In the end, platforms, specially if they are somewhat open, always trump companies.
Some day Apple will make a bad mi
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Wait, what? (Score:2)
"And don't bother looking for BlackBerry and Microsoft Windows phones in the mix."
Lol, there's a Windows phone?? I'm pretty sure that's just an urban myth.
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"And don't bother looking for BlackBerry and Microsoft Windows phones in the mix."
Lol, there's a Windows phone?? I'm pretty sure that's just an urban myth.
Since I'd read and heard they existed, I have yet to see one.... for sale or in someone's hands.
That's so weird... (Score:2)
I'm NOT an iPhone fan; I prefer Android.
Having said that, I find it odd to read things like this, when my daily work position involves walking around buildings of employees to work on workstation and server issues (that's just the start of it, but it gets the point across).
When I traverse the areas of one of the buildings and see peoples' phones, I sort of come to a logically obvious conclusion. There are 4 employees with "current-ish" iPhones. There are 6 with old iPhones (two of the six have cracked dis
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Damnit. "The 3 new iPhone users, Management, and ordered to have them by the owner (owner is management)" = "The 4 new iPhone users, Management, and ordered to have them by the owner (owner is management)". Mistype while mentally tallying.
I guess I'm nuts then (Score:2)
I'll have to check myself into the hospital.
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Trolling for a "funny" there?
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And only 3 out of 10 of them experience unwanted explosions!
See that's trolling for a funny.
Re:Unlikely (Score:4, Funny)
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People that think they matter use iPhones. Period.
Fixed that for ya.
Re:Unlikely (Score:4, Interesting)
Nearly everyone I know owns an iPhone.
That's because you probably work in the US, amid middle class or higher folks income-wise. Just in the US alone, iPhones account for 40% of smartphones. By the time you factor in your income and job, it's likely a much higher percentage.
And it's not just poor people that buy Android phones, of course. I bought a rather expensive HTC One (m7) Android phone as my first smart phone, and still enjoy using it. At the time, I didn't own any Apple products, and saw no reason to jump into their ecosystem. On the other hand, I already had a gmail account for my personal mail. I figured if nothing else, an Android phone was guaranteed to work well with that. Plus, of course, I figured I'd have a bit more control over my phone with Android. Of course, that was before I realized Verizon sent me a phone with apps that I couldn't uninstall. Doh. Well, at least I can still load unauthorized apps if I want to.
My next phone may be an iPhone simply to round out my personal development platforms. Alternatively, it may be a Pixel, expensive as it is, simply because I'm sick of carriers pushing their shit that I don't want on my phone (unwanted apps), and NOT pushing the shit I actually DO want (security updates). I haven't quite decided yet.
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Where I work we are half and half. We've also had more people go from iOS->Android than the other way around.
A former iOS user was astonished you could put in a memory card, plug the Android phone in to the computer, and just copy music to it.
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BYOD, we only use it for calendaring/email. They're personal devices, and I know when they switch as they have to request new devices be allowed access.
Not work issued.
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And it's not just poor people that buy Android phones, of course. I bought a rather expensive HTC One (m7) Android phone as my first smart phone, and still enjoy using it.
And it's not just expensive phones that relatively wealthy people buy. I could buy a new top-of-the-line phone every month, if I wanted to; but I buy cheap Android phones and keep them for a few years, because I don't see any benefit in the more-expensive models.
My immediate family members and most of my friends have iPhones, but I find the damn things utterly intolerable. I won't say Apple has never made anything I liked - the Apple //e was pretty nice - but I cannot brook their "don't you worry your prett
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I see a lot of iPhones around and considered one myself but I bought a Samsung S5 Active at over 700 dollars new. I could have gotten an iPhone and did consider it as I own a Mac computer but.....no SD storage and no battery access killed it for me. I know that doesn't matter to most people but I like the ability to swap batteries instead of worrying about charging my phone. Now Samsung is getting in on the sealed phone fad and my wife wound up replacing her Note 3 with an LG. That's the best thing abou
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People that matter don't need a phone at all, their secretary takes calls for them.
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Who. Use "who" when referring to people, use "that" when referring to things.
From one enthusiast of the proper use of the English language to another, thank you.
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iOS customers are more likely to buy an app. And the piracy rate on Android is mucht higher, also because it's easy to install apps outside stores.
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Because when 90% percent of "the market" never purchases anything, it's not a market. It makes more sense to say
"It's easy to understand why iOS has so many exclusive apps, it has nearly 100% market share".
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Because when 90% percent of "the market" never purchases anything, it's not a market.
10% of 90% of the market is about as big as 10% of the market...
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Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know why you put smartphone in quotes. My current smartphone cost me $150 USD for an octo core CPU and 3 GB ram/ dual SIMs etc. That's deep into the smartphone category and just as capable as a far more expensive phone.
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By itself that's no reason Apple should worry, Android got the volume and Apple the big spenders.
Not quite true. Up until the Notesplosion debacle, Samsung had been getting a good chunk of the high-spender market too, along with other manufacturer's Android flagships. Apple got half the big spenders, and Android got half the big spenders, and all the volume.
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This is exactly it.
ALL the high end phones are Android. Every single one.
Of the mid-range phones, the iPhone7 is by far the most expensive, at about the same price as the high end Androids. but it has a fairly small market share.
All the low end phones are Android. With the exception of the 2 windows phone users and the lone blackberry guy.
End result is Android is dominating the high end market, the low end market, and the mid-range market.
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The danger for Apple comes when their $100,000 luxury car has less comfortable seats, less leg room, and a worse transmission than the $20,000 economy car. Plus, the economy car has a whole slew of useful features that that luxury car is simply missing. Yeah, it's a little complicated to operate the moon roof, but the Apple car doesn't even HAVE a moon roof so you can't complain that much about it.
Once you learn how to work the moon roof, why would you "upgrade" to a car without one?
That's the danger of the
Re:The choice (Score:5, Informative)
The answer is obviously yes as Apple has about 12% of the market and is number two behind Samsung [appleinsider.com]. Apple takes about 70% [investors.com] of the profit.
Apple has been losing share and profit, which I think is due to expansion in the lower price segment of the market and the improved quality of Android based phones. I would argue that the "open source, changeable, free (do you mean as in beer or as in speech)" are not factors that most people care about. I think the majority of the smartphone users care about price and usability.
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From your link: "Apple captured 75% of smartphone industry profits in the second quarter, down from 84% in Q1 and 91% in Q2 2015"
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Apple has about 12% of the market and is number two behind Samsung [appleinsider.com]. Apple takes about 70% [investors.com] of the profit.
So what you're saying, is that iPhones are the most over-priced of all the devices. I don't know about you, but I don't see that as a selling feature....
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Manufacturer support? When I get an iPhone I know Apple will support it for at least 4 years, maybe more, and they've got the $$$ to pull off that promise. And my apps and data are highly likely to have a migration path to the next device. By contrast, the fact that something like 1% of Android users are on the latest version is an indication of the level of support from other vendors.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Android was better. In some ways it is better than IOS. But until the manufacturers support the p
Re:The choice (Score:5, Insightful)
Android: works great if you choose the right device, vendor (and even service provider), and spend some time tweaking it. If you don't, it sucks.
The iPhone works well for me, if I can't see the walls around the garden I don't care about them, and I don't want to have to tweak my phone (install 3rd party tools or remove crapware) to make it work well. I hate my stock Android device (that I use for work) with a passion, but that's just me.
One thing though: I start bumping into those Apple walls more and more often, and so do other ordinary people. For example: speech recognition, which is incredibly useful in certain applications like home automation, and something that people want. App developers have been able to hook into Google's speech stuff for donkeys years now, but on iOS Apple only recently announced the eagerly awaited 3rd party access to the Siri API... which turns out to be exceedingly clunky and limited to only 6 domains: ride booking, online payments, messaging, that sort of thing. No home automation, not yet and probably not ever because Apple have their own HA offering: HomeKit. Which is still very much in its infancy and not very good even in basic setups, because it doesn't play nice with other kit. More walls... That's something that Apple need to be careful about; if this happens once too often, people will switch.
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iPhone: works great if it does what you need it to do out of the box, which it does for many people. If it doesn't, it sucks.
Android: works great if you choose the right device, vendor (and even service provider), and spend some time tweaking it. If you don't, it sucks.
As a sysadmin, I know well that all operating systems suck. What differs is how much the suckiness can be reduced, and how much effort that will be.
What I need a smartdevice for is likely atypical, but includes some musts like 5 GHz WiFi support, ssh applications with keyboard that allows easy access to things like ESC and TAB, e-mail that supports client certificates for SMTP, a web browser that doesn't report what URLs I browse, and a screen that's big enough physically that I can read console output with
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So it's a challenge - go with Google, and get stuff that works, but rapes you for all your information, or go with Apple, which doesn't work as well, because of privacy. Why is this even a choice?
Because the service is so, so much better. You're seriously underselling what Google gives you in exchange for all that personal but generally completely inconsequential information.
Have you compared Google Voice and Siri side by side? I'm constantly amazed that I almost never need to repeat myself to Google, it picks things up the first time almost every single time. Meanwhile, a friend of mine tried to trigger a common Siri joke for me and had to keep saying it over, and over, and over, and over until fin
Re:The choice (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's see, I can choose between:
iPhone: Proprietary, unchangeable, walled garden, one vendor, one device.
Android: Open source, changeable, free, many vendors, many devices.
Is this even a choice?
I use a Samsung Galaxy S7. I don't think ANY of your options are reasons for the majority of consumers. They care about price, features and interacting with their friends with another smaller (but highly lucrative target group) caring about fashion and trend. The people that give a shit about the proprietry/open source/walled garden etc stuff is so insignificant that I don't think either side intentionally targets them.
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Well, yes. I am a happy iphone user. By and large they work well and reliably long so, and when eventually compelled to upgrade the phone was still good enough to give to a family member. I find them easier to use than Android, which may be a matter of habit. I don't particularly care about it being open source, and I have not found the walled garden a limit. The walls are far away for my usage, and the apps tend to do what is on the lid.
What I especially like (cue to sn1g
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Of course it is. Since you neglected to mention the many Android deficiencies of which security is the worst.
Android is just Windows redux. How does that feel?
Considering that I've been using Windows for over twenty years, it feels pretty good thank you very much.
Security isn't just about your device(s) and software being "perfect." We're humans, we don't do anything perfect. Security is about also being knowledgeable about whatever you're using and being aware of its vulnerabilities if any are known, and knowing how to properly mitigate that risk, and most important, recognizing when something is out of place.
That's probably why I don't ever have security issu
Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old (Score:2)
A robust signed-code infrastructure helps, but was late in coming to both platforms
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Mostly true, but you're leaving out one thing: Apple didn't have any of the public APIs, developer tools, or documentation ready to go when iPhone OS 1.0 shipped. They had a hard release window due to the January MacWorld keynote, and being late would have been a disaster. A lot of those early Cydia apps were horrible, because the developers had to figure out *everything* on their own using tools for developing Mac software.
Apple used the subsequent year between the original iPhone and the iPhone OS 2 in
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Cult of Mac [cultofmac.com] is one of many industry pubs documenteing this history.
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Unlike iOS apps, where Apple actively discourages this, Android apps usually run on fairly old versions too. If you are still running the fairly antique version 2.3, you can still run a lot. If you're on 4.4, you can run almost anything.
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Apple does not in any way, shape or form discourage apps from running on old versions.
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Not sure why this is a troll. I have an Android phone that I bought in 2013 (new, shortly after that model was launched). It still gets occasional security updates, but the last one was about 8 months after the exploit was seen in the wild and it hasn't received updates for the latest string of vulnerabilities. If I wanted to use my phone as a vaguely trusted device, I would need to replace it. Add to that, it was a cheap low-end phone: there's no iOS equivalent, so no one wanting to buy a cheap disposa
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Slashdot, I hardly know ya.
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What part of the manufacturing process of a high end phone adds profit margin?
High or low end phone doesn't matter for profit margin, what matters is where they set the price.
Feature and spec wise, iPhones compete with mid-range Androids, but they are priced like high end Androids, that's why they have a huge profit margin, because they set the price high for the feature set and specs.
Kudos to Apple for finding enough suckers to buy their overpriced junk, but don't confuse profit margin with quality of the
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And yet my only iphone is in a drawer as it is unusably slow after only a couple years, meanwhile my much older androids are in use as various things from media player hooked up to the TV, to tablet for my daughter to play with, etc.
iPhones get slower and slower with each update, and if you don't update them all the apps stop working as they all insist on the latest OS. Meanwhile Androids get faster with each update, and the apps all keep trucking along. It helps that Android phones tend to be higher end de
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I've been an Android user since smartphones became popular, and I've never had malware on my phone. And while it's true that some carriers stop sending updates stupidly quickly, I've never seen one that was "unupgradable", though I'm sure that's a thing that probably does happen eventually. Please ignore the fact that you can't get iOS 10 on a 4 year old iPhone, while you can run Marshmallow, the latest fully released Android version (Nougat is only partially released atm), on 7 year old phones. It's the An
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Please ignore the fact that you can't get iOS 10 on a 4 year old iPhone, while you can run Marshmallow, the latest fully released Android version (Nougat is only partially released atm), on 7 year old phones. It's the Android that's "unupgradeable", sure.
This might be the biggest [citation fucking really needed] I've ever posted.
Please show me which Android phone, released in 2009 (2009 + 7 = 2016, and 2016 is the current year in case you weren't sure) can run Marshmallow without hacking or running a custom ROM. Hell, please show me which Android phones (you did say phones, so please show at least two), released in 2009, can run Marshmallow WITH a hack or custom ROM. I'm serious, I want to know which underpowered single-core Android can be hacked into runni
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Maybe you should check those stats...
http://www.independent.co.uk/l... [independent.co.uk]
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho... [bgr.com]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new... [telegraph.co.uk]
http://www.digitaltrends.com/m... [digitaltrends.com]
http://www.express.co.uk/life-... [express.co.uk]