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For Playstation 4 Owners, Bad News On USB, Bluetooth Headsets 292

Posted by timothy
from the when-toys-can't-play-together dept.
itwbennett writes "Until now Sony has done a pretty good job of keeping future Playstation 4 owners happy. But last week they finally hit a rock when Game Informer posted an article about headset compatibility. At launch, USB headsets that work with the PS3 won't work with the PS4. Sony says that eventually there will be a system update that addresses the problem but for now, even your Sony-branded USB headset won't work. If you use a Bluetooth headset (as most PS3 owners do) the news is even worse. Bluetooth headsets will not be supported and no update is planned to address this. ITworld's Peter Smith is shedding a tear for his $250 Turtle Beach PX5 headset."
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For Playstation 4 Owners, Bad News On USB, Bluetooth Headsets

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  • by Moblaster (521614) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:49AM (#45132127)
    My bluetooth won't work. My USB won't work. That's sucks. But I got first post. So I got that going for me.
    • by DeathToBill (601486) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:04AM (#45132315) Journal

      The bluetooth blues, in fact.

      • by oodaloop (1229816)
        The First World Problem blues, more like.
        • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Dishevel (1105119) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @12:14PM (#45133203)
          Lets all minimize first world problems. Because the third world is what is important. They drive innovation and bring up the world as a whole on their shoulders. Fuck every short sighted piece of shit that thinks their good feelings will solve the issues of the world. They are easy to spot via their use of the term "First World Problems."
          • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Belial6 (794905) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @01:17PM (#45133899)
            My first world problem is having to listen to people think they are being deep by dismissing problems by declaring the "First World Problems".
      • by TeknoHog (164938)
        Bluetooth.... you saw me standing alone...
        • by idontgno (624372)

          Well, it's one for the money,
          Two for the show,
          Three to get ready,
          Now go, cat, go.

          But don't you step on my bluetooth shoes.
          You can do anything but lay off of my bluetooth shoes.

    • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:4, Interesting)

      by TWiTfan (2887093) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:25AM (#45132591)

      Maybe it would be easier for them to tell us what DOES work. Do they have some new headset with some sort of weird proprietary connector (hard as it is to picture Sony going with a proprietary device)?

    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      Well, you got an XCP rootkit. I'm surprised they didn't just put Bluetooth and USB in and take it back out after you paid for it like with OtherOS.

      Honestly, why are you people giving the criminal conspiracy named Sony your money? They've been fucking their customers over for a decade and you dweebs just say "spank me harder, Sony."

  • Presumably... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by barlevg (2111272) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:56AM (#45132217)
    If they're fixing the USB compatibility problem, presumably someone will make a third-party accessory that's basically just a BT dongle.
    • by Sockatume (732728)

      You'd want it to be a bluetooth receiver that understood bluetooth audio, interpreted it, and then in turn emulated an ordinary USB stereo headset where it connects to the PS4.

      • by skids (119237)

        Yeah I doubt Sony is going to support add-on BT busses via USB. Having just been looking for such an animal as you describe, I came up empty. Decided to go wired for now and wait for a better selection of Wireless USB kit to hit the market. The additional benefit of to that is that Certified Wireless USB uses different frequency ranges than BT, so it won't be clogging up that band, which is pretty messy as is. Also when I'm done with the headset use the wireless USB component will probably end up useful

      • by Lumpy (12016)

        Already have those. USB sound card plugged into a Bluetooth headset adapter. All done.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:59AM (#45132245)

    When the update comes out, fine.
    There likely won't be much in terms of online or multiplay at launch anyhow.

    And bluetooth can still suck it.
    All I've ever had was problems with bluetooth, whether it was something not supporting it, or something only partially supported, bluetooth is just terrible.

    Also, anyone spending that amount of money for a fucking headset should be shot, period.
    I bet he can't even say why he bought it other than things that could easily be disproved through simple tests.
    B-B-B-BUT MY BRANDS. Surprised it wasn't Skullcandy too. Terrible.

    They better not fudge anything else up for launch.
    Or remove features again. (even if it was just the terrible Other OS feature that was slow as high hell for anything useful)
    Principle shminciple, it was awful. Even for those bootToBrowser installs.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      There is a reason to buy a set of headphones that costs $250. True 5.1 surround with 4 speakers in each cup. When you have 2 consoles sitting next to each other and are playing first person shooters together, it gets annoying trying to figure out from which TV that grenade tink just came. That and it's REALLY nice to be able to hear that guy climbing the ladder behind you so you can shoot him in the face as he begins to breach the floor. Oh yeah, another thing. Some people live in apartments and can't use a

      • by gl4ss (559668) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:29AM (#45132639) Homepage Journal

        too bad I only have two receptors for those 4 sounds.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          If a car honks its horn, you can close your eyes and point in the direction it came from.

          How accurately can you achieve that sensation with a single driver in each ear? A potion of your hearing is through your skull by the way.

          Also, speakers can each have a different range of frequencies if you didn't know already.

        • by omnichad (1198475)

          And it takes really good software to mimic directional cues for forward and behind, even though the ear is capable of detecting it. It exists - if you ever heard the A3D [wikipedia.org] demos before they were bankrupted. But it's much easier to just use 4 speakers and let your ears do it.

        • too bad I only have two receptors for those 4 sounds.

          LMAO...love you man. Surround sound zealots make me laugh.

        • by firex726 (1188453)

          Guess you never heard of binaural recordings.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA [youtube.com]

    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      All I've ever had was problems with bluetooth, whether it was something not supporting it, or something only partially supported, bluetooth is just terrible.

      How about some specifics? What hardware? What OS? It's worked fine for me on two Motorolas and a Kyocera moving pictures to my W7 notebook and kubuntu tower. What kinds of problems? How did that comment get modded up??

      Also, anyone spending that amount of money for a fucking headset should be shot, period.

      What amount of money? Some people actually use he

    • by Fr33z0r (621949)

      anyone spending that amount of money for a fucking headset should be shot, period.

      Jesus dude, don't hold back.

      I bet he can't even say why he bought it other than things that could easily be disproved through simple tests.

      I can't speak for that guy, but I've got some PX5's too, and here's why I like them, feel free to disprove these points through "simple tests"

      - Dual bluetooth - I can switch between voice chat and a phone call without touching my phone or interrupting my game, and I'll still be able to

  • by nimbius (983462) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:01AM (#45132269) Homepage
    consumer capitalism basically dictates incompatibility must be built into every successive iteration of a product, to ensure customers continue buying. planned obsolescence is built into everything we own, and why for example cellphone ram is no longer expandable and the USB connector for Android phones is particularly flimsy. The Turtle Beach headset is an excellent, well made product as are many other bluetooth devices for the PS3. making something thats expensive and must regularly be replaced because it becomes incompatible, broken, obsolete or socially shunned is the secret to some of the most lucrative products and wealthy corporations in the world. Apple arguably makes very little changes to each iteration of its iPhone, but people actually reserve precious time in their lives to stand in lines for the privilege of purchasing the next one.

    if you dont like planned obsolescence, please step away from the hedonic treadmill and re-evaluate the product from a more fundamental level. What does it do, how well does it do it, and how does it make me feel? it may seem offtopic but its more pertanent than ever during the holidays, an old New England saw: "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."
    • by gstoddart (321705)

      consumer capitalism basically dictates incompatibility must be built into every successive iteration of a product, to ensure customers continue buying

      Until consumers start saying "fuck that" and actually stop doing that.

      However I fear not enough consumers will make that choice.

      I've seen nothing in next-gen consoles which makes a compelling argument for upgrading, and a lot to tell me I'd just get screwed in the process for no benefit to me.

      • I've seen nothing in next-gen consoles which makes a compelling argument for upgrading

        Other than that new games will stop coming out for the old consoles, and the console makers will pull the plug on the old consoles' online services. It happened for Xbox Live on the original Xbox, and it happened for most of the "app" channels (News, Forecast, Check Mii Out, Everybody Votes) on the Wii. At that point, if you want to continue to play online or with updated rosters and game design concepts, you'll either have to buy the new console or put a Steam Machine or other gaming HTPC in your living ro

    • by radiumsoup (741987) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:36AM (#45132731)

      yawn.

      The obvious counter to your sentiment is that any one entity can come along with a product that lasts longer and does not have some phantom "planned future incompatibility" and will generate a ton of sales, disrupting any so-called market stranglehold. Many people buy reliable, long-lasting cars based on exactly this principle - "I want it to last, and I'm willing to pay more for that." Honda did this with their more reliable cars (and cheaper, too, which REALLY upset the market), and while it took 20-30 years for the sea change in the US (bankrupting a few domestic manufacturers in the process), ALL mainstream auto manufacturers now employ similar techniques to ensure longevity of their cars. Because that's what the market wants.

      What you claim as a "must" for capitalism is simply a result of making devices cheaper and more accessible to as many people as possible. Here's a hint: companies make what people want. If people want little flimsy connectors in order to make their devices smaller and lighter, manufacturers will make them, and people will buy them. If someone invents a better quality connector that doesn't give up on size or weight, people will demand that better connector - that is, unless there is no competition... but luckily for you, our good ol' consumer capitalistic system allows for a lot of competition. The fact that you believe that cellphone RAM is not expandable is due to planned obsolescence shows you have not thought about the simple relationship between the cost of making removable/upgradable RAM versus the demand for the feature. It would cost more and would make for bigger, heavier phones to allow end users to swap out RAM on their phones, and there's so little demand for that feature, someone made a tactical business decision that it wasn't in the best interest of the company to offer such a device for the mass market. It's not a big conspiracy. Look at MicroSD cards - there is a demand for removable slow storage memory, so most phones do have removable MicroSD cards for storage - again, because the market demands it.

      Just because your favorite device isn't available over the counter today with all the things you want for the price you want to pay doesn't mean that capitalism requires planned obsolescence - it simply means that you're unwilling to pay what it takes to get everything you want today. Wait a little while, pay more, or go into business yourself and make it happen the way you want. With "consumer capitalism", it's your choice.

  • $250 for a headset? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by smooth wombat (796938) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:01AM (#45132283) Homepage Journal

    I don't want to hear anyone saying what someone else buys is unnecessary if this guy is spending that much for a headset. I don't care about the tonal values or fit or anything else. To someone looking in, that is just a waste of money to play a game.

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      I think it's too much to pay, too. When I saw headsets that cost that much on the wall at Gamestop I just shook my head. But it's not that much money for someone without dependents. If it really enhances their life, I can see spending that much money. On the other hand, I can't personally see not kitbashing something myself rather than spending $250.

    • by xombo (628858)

      That's just MSRP. If you look online you can usually get them over 50% off retail price.

      I got mine because I live in an apartment, so I wanted to have good surround sound headphones to play at night and not disturb my neighbours. Cost me about $80. They will not be compatible with the PS4 except as game audio. I'd have to have a separate device just for chat, which is not an acceptable solution when you have over the ear headphones.

      I may not pick up my PS4 reservation because of this and the poor launch tit

    • by ranton (36917) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @12:06PM (#45133105)

      I can't believe so many people agree with this post. We are talking about game systems that cost around $500 that are probably played on TVs that cost $500-$1000 with perhaps a dozens games costing $60 each. And you are saying that a $250 headset is excessive? I don't find sound quality very important either, but who am I to judge what others find important enough to spend their money on? A $250 expenditure on a hobby is still pretty tame compared to most. I spent close to that on just one of two tickets to the musical Wicked, even though a movie ticket would have been $15.

      Spending $250 on a headset instead of perhaps $50-100 is really no different than buying a 55" TV instead of a 40" one.

  • What works? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Russ1642 (1087959) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:01AM (#45132285)

    If USB doesn't work and Bluetooth doesn't work then what does?

    • by Guppy06 (410832) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:04AM (#45132323)

      HDCP

    • Er, analogue audio? HDMI? S/PDIF? TOSLINK? ADAT? SSB? VHF FM? DAB?

      No idea if any of these are supported by PS4, just stunned that someone thinks USB and Bluetooth are the only possible options for audio IO.

      • by Russ1642 (1087959)

        The vast majority of headsets use either Bluetooth or plug in with USB.

        • Pity, it'd be nice to see DAB useful for something...

        • by Seumas (6865)

          *Console headsets*, yes.

          Both are shitty solutions. When we have games that are putting out high quality 5.1 and 7.1 audio streams and sometimes even PCM, why in the fuck would they limit people to only listening to them over bluetooth or USB, which are notoriously shit for audio quality?!

      • by gl4ss (559668)

        generally you might just want different audio to the headset and from headset back to the console.

        now if it had a headphones and mic connector this wouldn't be a problem at all, fixed by a ten dollar dongle.

        but if it has a bluetooth chip then why the fuck wouldn't they update it to support audio?

      • by S.O.B. (136083)

        Er, analogue audio? HDMI? S/PDIF? TOSLINK? ADAT? SSB? VHF FM? DAB?

        No idea if any of these are supported by PS4, just stunned that someone thinks USB and Bluetooth are the only possible options for audio IO.

        This isn't about general audio I/O. This is about supporting headsets. As far as I know there are no headsets in existence that use the interfaces you listed.

        I know it's like pissing up a rope to expect someone to RTFA but can we at least read the summary before barfing something out.

        • by Russ1642 (1087959)

          I love it when people criticize my posts without having a clue what they're talking about. I didn't feel like dishing out a pile of hate at them as I knew someone else would come along eventually and do it for me. Thanks.

    • by Seumas (6865)

      Exactly. Unless the new PS4 controllers have an audio jack just like the 360 controllers did?

    • by robmv (855035)

      The 3.5mm jack on the controller. I am the owner of the Sony Pulse Elite headset, I bought it because it is a very good device. The feature that I like the most is that you can plug it on a USB port (dumb one, only for power) and plug a standard 3.5mm jack with stereo sound and microphone connection and the USB dongle will wireless stream it. I am not buying the PS4 on the first months, but if I could, I probably use that feature until the USB audio support is added on the promised firmware update

    • Single Player content only, BABY!
  • by JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:02AM (#45132293)
    Shit like this is becoming more and more frequent, consoles are shipped missing key features with updates promised.
    If it's not right, don't ship it. If it's not ready, don't ship it.
    A company I used to work for lived by these words, if only the rest of the world did. (and if only they did too, they kinda don't anymore)
    • They're under a time crunch right now. They have to rush to finish building the consoles before those students' internship is over.
    • by bazorg (911295)

      If it's not right, don't ship it. If it's not ready, don't ship it.
      A company I used to work for lived by these words, if only the rest of the world did. (and if only they did too, they kinda don't anymore)

      bankrupt, I presume?

      • Nope, typical change to "CEO/Board says we're not making enough money, fire all the workers and ship anything that's even half ready"
    • by Seumas (6865)

      Unfortunately, that doesn't fly here, because they're in a race to launch against Microsoft and they already suffered a bit of defeat the last eight years, because they launched late and their competition ate their lunch. Besides, Microsoft already demonstrated that it doesn't matter. Your hardware can literally burn itself out with an eventual failure rate of 100% (100% of launch 360s were guaranteed to eventually red-ring) and people will just give you another $500 and buy another one.

    • Complaining about companies not managing to keep schedules is valid. But suggesting they just delay a few months and ship after Christmas is absurd. And suggesting they delay an entire year makes no sense either. A tech product which is up-to-date for a Christmas release this year is behind the curve if it is delayed a year.

  • Huh? (Score:4, Informative)

    by rsilvergun (571051) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:05AM (#45132331)
    Isn't this a feature pretty much taken for granted? My $80 Hauwei Ascend II has bluetooth for pete's sake... It's a $10 dollar chip (maybe $2.50 at the bulk Sony buys)... I get that margin's are slim but come on...
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Heck, the damn thing probably _has_ Bluetooth capabilities, they just didn't want to bother writing the software to integrate support for it in the PS4 OS..

    • by aiadot (3055455)
      It's a software issue, the hardware is there. As is mentioned in the article, there will be a patch for that. Sony has two options:
      1) Delay the PS4 release and brush up the software, until it's "complete". But lose hype and marketshare to the WiiU and XBone (and maybe even Steam Machines if they delay too much.)
      2) Release now and patch the non-essential software holes as time goes, as their hype/momentum is at maximum.

      One the biggest issues with the PS3 for most part of it's life time was the fact sony
  • by adisakp (705706) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:06AM (#45132355) Journal
    Is included with the purchase of PS4. Sony is probably just prioritizing what they can do in the time before launch. There's no reason they couldn't choose to eventually support Bluetooth later as well as USB (even though they're not promising Bluetooth now) and there's presumeably no reason why a third party couldn't create a USB-to-Bluetooth dongle for headsets either.
  • ... as I won't going to buy a PS4 while my PS3 setup is working fine.

    I can change my mind when the migration to PS4 could fit my pockets. Until there, Sony can do whatever they want that it will only affects the ones willing to buy a PS4! ;-)

  • by Stumbles (602007) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:17AM (#45132497)
    reason I decided to stay away from consoles of any type. IMO the Bluetooth implementations of Sony (PSanything) and Microsoft's Xbox are pure shit.
  • by DdJ (10790) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:23AM (#45132569) Homepage Journal

    ...that I do my best not to talk to gamers.

  • USB Truth (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:27AM (#45132617)

    USB, the only rectangular connector that takes 3 attempts to connect properly.

  • "Until now Sony has done a pretty good job of keeping future Playstation 4 owners happy."

    Except for that little bit where there's zero backwards compatibility with PS3 games, beside which the lack of backwards compatibility for headsets is a pretty minor thing. It's certainly the #1 reason i'm not going to be getting a PS4 at launch. #2 of course being the wait until any initial hardware issues are resolved and #3 being that if i wait long enough there will be a price cut. I've got too many PS3 games i ne
  • by gsslay (807818) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @12:01PM (#45133049)

    If you use a Bluetooth headset (as most PS3 owners do)

    Most PS3 users do not use any headset, never mind those that are Bluetooth.

    I think what you meant to say was "If your PS3 headset is Bluetooth (as most are).."

  • My TRITTON AXPRO 5.1 uses a TOSlink connector, so it will continue to work. I've thought about upgrading to a wireless Mad Catz (who bought TRITTON), but the reviews indicate that the quality dropped drastically.

    I also have the OEM PS3 Bluetooth. I had bought it to use with the PS3 Eye for video conferencing, but VC across the internet is still hit or miss. I used it with my cell phone for a while, but the battery life sucked and there was no noise cancellation, so I ended up getting a Plantronics. Sinc

  • "ITworld's Peter Smith is shedding a tear for his $250 Turtle Beach PX5 headset." Sorry, but no sympathy for him. Instead of shedding a tear for your "beloved" device, why not DON'T BUY A PS4. But no, everyone will bitch and moan and gnash their teeth and rant online, but they'll still hand over their money to Sony, who doesn't give a rat's ass. Hey Peter Smith, it's YOUR fault, yours and those like you who keep giving these greedy idiots your money.
  • No Bluetooth. No USB. But more space than a Nomad. Lame.

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