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For Playstation 4 Owners, Bad News On USB, Bluetooth Headsets 292

Posted by timothy
from the when-toys-can't-play-together dept.
itwbennett writes "Until now Sony has done a pretty good job of keeping future Playstation 4 owners happy. But last week they finally hit a rock when Game Informer posted an article about headset compatibility. At launch, USB headsets that work with the PS3 won't work with the PS4. Sony says that eventually there will be a system update that addresses the problem but for now, even your Sony-branded USB headset won't work. If you use a Bluetooth headset (as most PS3 owners do) the news is even worse. Bluetooth headsets will not be supported and no update is planned to address this. ITworld's Peter Smith is shedding a tear for his $250 Turtle Beach PX5 headset."
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For Playstation 4 Owners, Bad News On USB, Bluetooth Headsets

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  • Presumably... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by barlevg (2111272) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @09:56AM (#45132217)
    If they're fixing the USB compatibility problem, presumably someone will make a third-party accessory that's basically just a BT dongle.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @09:59AM (#45132245)

    When the update comes out, fine.
    There likely won't be much in terms of online or multiplay at launch anyhow.

    And bluetooth can still suck it.
    All I've ever had was problems with bluetooth, whether it was something not supporting it, or something only partially supported, bluetooth is just terrible.

    Also, anyone spending that amount of money for a fucking headset should be shot, period.
    I bet he can't even say why he bought it other than things that could easily be disproved through simple tests.
    B-B-B-BUT MY BRANDS. Surprised it wasn't Skullcandy too. Terrible.

    They better not fudge anything else up for launch.
    Or remove features again. (even if it was just the terrible Other OS feature that was slow as high hell for anything useful)
    Principle shminciple, it was awful. Even for those bootToBrowser installs.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @09:59AM (#45132255)

    and spend hundreds of $$$ to play CoD or Battlefield or whatever

    spending all the money pre-ordering a game system where you know next to nothing about a product. funny how these little details only come out so soon before it starts to ship

  • by nimbius (983462) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:01AM (#45132269) Homepage
    consumer capitalism basically dictates incompatibility must be built into every successive iteration of a product, to ensure customers continue buying. planned obsolescence is built into everything we own, and why for example cellphone ram is no longer expandable and the USB connector for Android phones is particularly flimsy. The Turtle Beach headset is an excellent, well made product as are many other bluetooth devices for the PS3. making something thats expensive and must regularly be replaced because it becomes incompatible, broken, obsolete or socially shunned is the secret to some of the most lucrative products and wealthy corporations in the world. Apple arguably makes very little changes to each iteration of its iPhone, but people actually reserve precious time in their lives to stand in lines for the privilege of purchasing the next one.

    if you dont like planned obsolescence, please step away from the hedonic treadmill and re-evaluate the product from a more fundamental level. What does it do, how well does it do it, and how does it make me feel? it may seem offtopic but its more pertanent than ever during the holidays, an old New England saw: "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."
  • What works? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Russ1642 (1087959) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:01AM (#45132285)

    If USB doesn't work and Bluetooth doesn't work then what does?

  • by JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:02AM (#45132293)
    Shit like this is becoming more and more frequent, consoles are shipped missing key features with updates promised.
    If it's not right, don't ship it. If it's not ready, don't ship it.
    A company I used to work for lived by these words, if only the rest of the world did. (and if only they did too, they kinda don't anymore)
  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:10AM (#45132407) Journal

    "But it won't work with my ten-year-old $thing!" is the reason so many new products get bogged down before launch.

    It isn't really Sony's problem to chase down every last bug with every last shit headset on the market; but implementing not-totally-fucked support for the USB Audio Device Class [usb.org] is one of those things that an OS not mired in the stone age is sort of expected to be able to handle.

    Similarly, implementing support for Bluetooth 1.0/1.1 headset/handsfree profile and newer Bluetooth A2DP headsets is not exactly rocket surgery by the standards of shipping an operating system.

    Again, supporting every last device means running up against some seriously fucked up firmware; but not even supporting your own-branded devices? Pure laziness.

  • by Nerdfest (867930) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:14AM (#45132459)

    They're not being lazy, they're being Sony. If you expect anything different you haven't been paying attention.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:17AM (#45132499)

    There is a reason to buy a set of headphones that costs $250. True 5.1 surround with 4 speakers in each cup. When you have 2 consoles sitting next to each other and are playing first person shooters together, it gets annoying trying to figure out from which TV that grenade tink just came. That and it's REALLY nice to be able to hear that guy climbing the ladder behind you so you can shoot him in the face as he begins to breach the floor. Oh yeah, another thing. Some people live in apartments and can't use a real surround system, not to mention some people like to play late at night and don't want to be dicks and disturb the other people in the house that are sleeping.

  • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:18AM (#45132515)

    The First World Problem blues, more like.

    There's WOOSH, and then there's you, where you didn't miss the joke so much as you stepped all over it. Meanie.

  • by gl4ss (559668) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:29AM (#45132639) Homepage Journal

    too bad I only have two receptors for those 4 sounds.

  • by radiumsoup (741987) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:36AM (#45132731)

    yawn.

    The obvious counter to your sentiment is that any one entity can come along with a product that lasts longer and does not have some phantom "planned future incompatibility" and will generate a ton of sales, disrupting any so-called market stranglehold. Many people buy reliable, long-lasting cars based on exactly this principle - "I want it to last, and I'm willing to pay more for that." Honda did this with their more reliable cars (and cheaper, too, which REALLY upset the market), and while it took 20-30 years for the sea change in the US (bankrupting a few domestic manufacturers in the process), ALL mainstream auto manufacturers now employ similar techniques to ensure longevity of their cars. Because that's what the market wants.

    What you claim as a "must" for capitalism is simply a result of making devices cheaper and more accessible to as many people as possible. Here's a hint: companies make what people want. If people want little flimsy connectors in order to make their devices smaller and lighter, manufacturers will make them, and people will buy them. If someone invents a better quality connector that doesn't give up on size or weight, people will demand that better connector - that is, unless there is no competition... but luckily for you, our good ol' consumer capitalistic system allows for a lot of competition. The fact that you believe that cellphone RAM is not expandable is due to planned obsolescence shows you have not thought about the simple relationship between the cost of making removable/upgradable RAM versus the demand for the feature. It would cost more and would make for bigger, heavier phones to allow end users to swap out RAM on their phones, and there's so little demand for that feature, someone made a tactical business decision that it wasn't in the best interest of the company to offer such a device for the mass market. It's not a big conspiracy. Look at MicroSD cards - there is a demand for removable slow storage memory, so most phones do have removable MicroSD cards for storage - again, because the market demands it.

    Just because your favorite device isn't available over the counter today with all the things you want for the price you want to pay doesn't mean that capitalism requires planned obsolescence - it simply means that you're unwilling to pay what it takes to get everything you want today. Wait a little while, pay more, or go into business yourself and make it happen the way you want. With "consumer capitalism", it's your choice.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:53AM (#45132955)

    If a car honks its horn, you can close your eyes and point in the direction it came from.

    How accurately can you achieve that sensation with a single driver in each ear? A potion of your hearing is through your skull by the way.

    Also, speakers can each have a different range of frequencies if you didn't know already.

  • by ranton (36917) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:06AM (#45133105)

    I can't believe so many people agree with this post. We are talking about game systems that cost around $500 that are probably played on TVs that cost $500-$1000 with perhaps a dozens games costing $60 each. And you are saying that a $250 headset is excessive? I don't find sound quality very important either, but who am I to judge what others find important enough to spend their money on? A $250 expenditure on a hobby is still pretty tame compared to most. I spent close to that on just one of two tickets to the musical Wicked, even though a movie ticket would have been $15.

    Spending $250 on a headset instead of perhaps $50-100 is really no different than buying a 55" TV instead of a 40" one.

  • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dishevel (1105119) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @11:14AM (#45133203)
    Lets all minimize first world problems. Because the third world is what is important. They drive innovation and bring up the world as a whole on their shoulders. Fuck every short sighted piece of shit that thinks their good feelings will solve the issues of the world. They are easy to spot via their use of the term "First World Problems."
  • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:4, Insightful)

    by idontgno (624372) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @12:08PM (#45133791) Journal

    Really? That's a lot of faith there in an organization that hasn't done very much to merit it.

    Let's indulge a little idle speculation on my part. Nothing I say from here down in this post is supported by any objective evidence; the only thing you could say is that the things I speculate on have been done in other contexts.

    1. Proprietary, unlicensed connector. As far as Sony is concerned, the only things you plug into the headset connector has "Sony" stamped into it, as proof that any money spent on buying it went to Sony first and foremost. A revenue stream is a terrible thing to not capture.
    2. A digital audio protocol. Also proprietary and undocumented, except to hypothetical licensees. And protected by draconic DRM, so no reverse engineering for you. After all, we gotta close that analog hole, right?
    3. Aggressive treatment of homebrewing. Lawsuits aplenty. Criminization of homebrewing which runs afoul of the protected nature of the interface (because only criminals reverse engineer).

    Yeah. I'm just speculating. But if you draw up a list of the companies in the world that might be inclined to this approach, Sony would absolutely be in the top two.

  • Re:Bluetooth woes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Belial6 (794905) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @12:17PM (#45133899)
    My first world problem is having to listen to people think they are being deep by dismissing problems by declaring the "First World Problems".

You know, the difference between this company and the Titanic is that the Titanic had paying customers.

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