Publicly Available EV Charger Network Doubles Under Biden-Harris Administration (electrek.co) 247
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Electrek: Over 192,000 publicly available charging ports are now online, and approximately 1,000 new chargers are being added each week. To build on this momentum, the federal government has awarded $521 million in grants to further expand the national network, with new chargers being deployed across 29 states, two Federally Recognized Tribes, and the District of Columbia.
The $521 million investment is divided into two key areas: 41 community projects ($321 million) and 10 corridor fast-charging projects ($200 million). The grant awards also support President Biden's Justice40 Initiative, which aims for 40% of the overall benefits of federal investments to flow to disadvantaged communities, with over half of the funding going to sites in disadvantaged communities. US Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg emphasized the importance of this initiative, stating, "The Biden-Harris Administration has been clear about America leading the EV revolution, and thanks to the historic [Bipartisan Infrastructure Law] package, we're building a nationwide EV charger network to make sure all drivers have an accessible, reliable, and convenient way to charge their vehicles."
The $521 million investment is divided into two key areas: 41 community projects ($321 million) and 10 corridor fast-charging projects ($200 million). The grant awards also support President Biden's Justice40 Initiative, which aims for 40% of the overall benefits of federal investments to flow to disadvantaged communities, with over half of the funding going to sites in disadvantaged communities. US Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg emphasized the importance of this initiative, stating, "The Biden-Harris Administration has been clear about America leading the EV revolution, and thanks to the historic [Bipartisan Infrastructure Law] package, we're building a nationwide EV charger network to make sure all drivers have an accessible, reliable, and convenient way to charge their vehicles."
How many are actually functional at any given time (Score:4, Interesting)
EV chargers outside of the Tesla network are a complete nightmare right now. Entirely unreliable, usually never achieve their rated charge speed.
There seems to be very lax standards and regulations being put in place for EV chargers compared to fuel stations. Fuel stations are monitored regularly to ensure they are dispensing the correct volume of gasoline and that the gasoline meets minimum standards.
No one seems to be giving a flying F if EV chargers are functional and charge at their advertised rate - it seems like what happens is the network does the install, collects the cash money incentive, then hits the highway.
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No one seems to be giving a flying F if EV chargers are functional and charge at their advertised rate
That depends on your vehicle and SOC. It's not all the charger.
Nobody has to verify that the electrons pushed (or is it pulled this week?) by a charger have the correct octane level.
Re: How many are actually functional at any given (Score:2)
Actually 90% of the time, it is the charger.
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They are charging about 5x the market rate for electricity. They have ample opportunity to make a profit if they were managed by competent businesspeople. If a given charge network was known to always be reliable and deliver their advertised rates, it could make a killing. However, Tesla is the only one who seems to be delivering on that... as a result they are going to make all the money.
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"It is a no profit situation."
Currently. It is a "no profit situation" currently. And yes, that is an inherent problem in the startup phase of any new technology. That's why there are subsidies.
The problem is not the lack of customers, the lack of visitors per hour or the startup costs, the problem is that installation has been treated as a transaction with no ongoing business plan. EV adoption is progressing, though, so the process may be good enough (considering that the industry is transitioning to J
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Once upon a time, nearly every, if not every gas station was actually a service station with service bays. Auto mechanics put a couple gas pumps in front of their auto repair shop to satisfy customer need in under-served areas.
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That'll be a possible/likely reason all fast chargers are in the lot of a food joint.
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Is it possible the market will set the markup for electricity higher than it does for gas because there is less potential for selling concessions? Perhaps, all else being equal. Does that matter, no, since the production and distribution price of electricity is already much different than for gas anyways, and the usage patterns are already di
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Loss leader? You think gas stations sell gas for less than cost?
Most gas stations sell at least 87 octane fuel at a loss at least some of the time.
https://thehustle.co/why-most-... [thehustle.co]
As usual you don't know shit
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EV chargers outside of the Tesla network are a complete nightmare right now. Entirely unreliable, usually never achieve their rated charge speed.
The worst offenders of never reaching the stated speeds near me always seem to be the units that charge by the minute and not kwh. It’s taking twice as long to fill up, don’t they know I’ll have to pay double?!?
Re:I've never had a Tesla station work yet. (Score:4, Informative)
Congratulations! Everything you said is wrong.
The North American Charging Standard [tesla.com] which has been adopted by SAE as SAE J3400 [sae.org] is for charging any EV that has an adapter, just like SAE J1772 before it.
Therefore, it IS infrastructure, and Tesla charging stations count. It's not their fault that you're an idiot working with stale information to your own detriment.
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Only issue I've run into so far is that the chargers in downtown Orlando have an abysmally bad app and operate under a prepaid scheme where you're required to deposit money into your account before they even allow you to charge. That shouldn't even be legal.
I've not run into any serious issues with EA chargers, other than the usual situation that sometimes they're all in use. As I charge at home, I've only had to hit fast charging when making longer trips, which for me is an infrequent thing.
Although, adm
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EV chargers outside of the Tesla network are a complete nightmare right now. Entirely unreliable, usually never achieve their rated charge speed.
There seems to be very lax standards and regulations being put in place for EV chargers compared to fuel stations. Fuel stations are monitored regularly to ensure they are dispensing the correct volume of gasoline and that the gasoline meets minimum standards.
No one seems to be giving a flying F if EV chargers are functional and charge at their advertised rate - it seems like what happens is the network does the install, collects the cash money incentive, then hits the highway.
The government regulates gas stations to ensure when the pump says it dispensed 5 gallons of gas, that 5 gallons were dispensed - it does not regulate toe "speed" of the delivery of the 5 gallons of gasoline.
EVs are still in the early-adopter phase, you can't expect a seamless experience like ICE vehicle owners enjoy. I can't imagine buying an EV if you can't charge it at home, the public EV charger ecosystem is still trying to sort itself out...
Re:How many are actually functional at any given t (Score:5, Interesting)
I am a non-Tesla EV owner. This isn't FUD, it is simple facts. The non-Tesla network is total garbage, and this is VERY well documented, and anyone who actually owns and drives a non-Tesla EV knows this.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news... [yahoo.com]
https://www.hbs.edu/bigs/the-s... [hbs.edu]
https://www.energytech.com/emo... [energytech.com]
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Based on my internet speeds I'd have to say 'no' but maybe a miracle will happen. I'm not betting on it. StarLink is looking better and better.
Starlink is great. I'm typing this on a Starlink connection, sitting in my camp trailer at the edge of a high mountain lake, watching a flock of Canadian geese and a pair of snowy egrets at the water's edge while waiting for my compile (which is actually running in the cloud, on a system I access via Chrome remote desktop). Starlink is nice for rural connectivity (I use it at home, too), but it's well worth the extra $30 per month for roaming service; works anywhere you can get a clear view of the sky.
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The summary says that 1000 chargers are being "added" each week, which presumably means installed and commissioned. So the answer seems to be yes.
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The problem is different. There are laws which can eventually (and occasionally) punish Telcos if they do not keep your phone line up. But there's nothing like that for EV chargers... They get the money to install them, and then there's no penalty if they don't keep them running except not getting the recurring fees. But there's probably the most money in just getting them installed and then walking away, as long as we're subsidizing installs.
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But once it's installed, why wouldn't it make sense to maintain it? Are the public charging prices so low that they can't make any money?
And what about the manufacturers? In Europe we had Nissan and Renault build the first network, then Tesla came along, and then a couple of more manufacturer backed groups emerged. And that's in addition to the other charging networks that aren't backed by a manufacturer.
The manufacturer backed ones in particular tend to be pretty reliable and have very fast chargers.
Don't
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Faster than failure rate? (Score:2)
I wnder if it keeps up with the outages.
The public stations never fail to amaze me with their poor quality, glad it's a once every few months situation for me.
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right place (Score:3)
It strikes me that the charger infrastructure is a good way to rethink reliance on cars overall. IMO, The goal should be to make cities more walkable, maybe link a charging lot with neighborhoods using public transport options. Maybe bake something into the charging infrastructure that makes it easier to share vehicles
While it's nice to be able to replace gas cars with electric cars the goal shoudl be to reduce reliance on cars overall
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The goal should be to make cities more walkable, maybe link a charging lot with neighborhoods using public transport options.
Are you serious? First we invest in public transportation in a community, then, as a reward, we invest MORE money into the same community to encourage/support private EV ownership? So we'll deploy EV charging stations in inner-city neighborhoods where we have buses and subway lines, and stiff the high tax-paying suburbs? Have you really thought this through?
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Same Story? (Score:2)
I'm reminded of this story from a bit over a year ago [politico.com]:
Congress at the urging of the Biden administration agreed in 2021 to spend $7.5 billion to build tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers across the country, aiming to appease anxious drivers while tackling climate change.
Two years later, the program has yet to install a single charger.
So is this money coming from that same program? Were they just slow getting money out the door?
Where are the 110v Evbike and Scooter Chargers? (Score:2)
Data Point (Score:3)
Using the data at https://afdc.energy.gov/statio... [energy.gov]
The number of publicly available ports on some interesting dates are:
Today: 183,072 Ports
1/6/2021 96,271 Ports
1/6/2017 38,526 Ports
1/31/2014* 17,953 Ports
* (Earliest data available in this source)
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Informative)
This is classic government propaganda and waste. Vehicle manufacturers are stopping their buyin for EVs as nobody is willing to buy them.
This is of course false. Everywhere in the world that the charging network is being built out adequately, EVs are continuing to gain in popularity. There are only two reasons there is a lull in sales growth (not even a decrease in sales!) in EVs in the US. One, stupid (and ignorant) people talking stupid shit. Two, inadequate charging network. The lack of chargers is real, it is a real problem, people who claim it's not a real problem are self-centered and in denial. But it is the only real problem with EV proliferation, since they have lower TCO and most vehicles are financed. Most people never go on road trips. Most people never tow. EVs are less likely to combust than gas vehicles. (We should ban NCMs in EVs, as I have stated repeatedly, but there are already other popular options.)
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Insightful)
The lack of chargers is real, it is a real problem, people who claim it's not a real problem are self-centered and in denial.
The lack of chargers at apartments and other various rental properties is a problem, because if you can't charge at home an EV really isn't pracical. However, there is plenty of DC fast chargers to use while travelling, but no, it's not like gas stations where you can just drive until you're on electron fumes with the next highway exit all guaranteed to have a place to "refuel". Some planning with an app like ABRP or a built-in nav system which does something similar is absolutely necessary.
None of that does anything to address the worries of folks who either imagine themselves to or actually do regularly take 8+ hour road trips and can't tolerate stopping twice for a half hour or so to charge. You're never going to sell them on an EV. I think there'd be less backlash against EVs if the government made it clear that people who need ICE vehicles will still be able to buy a hybrid for the foreseeable future.
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This. And also EV manufacturers should offer a serial hybrid option, where the car can charge from a generator in the trunk on the go. A bog standard 2kw generator running in the trunk for 8 hours feeding energy back into the batteries wouldn't eliminate the need for fast chargers, but would greatly extend range.
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You mean like BMW did [caranddriver.com] with their Range Extender for the i3?
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Sorry, it looks like Hyundai agrees with you [electrek.co].
"As part of its new strategy, Hyundai revealed plans to launch Extended-Range Electrified Vehicles (EREVs). An EREV still has a combustion engine, but the engine generates electricity to power the battery."
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This. And also EV manufacturers should offer a serial hybrid option, where the car can charge from a generator in the trunk on the go. A bog standard 2kw generator running in the trunk for 8 hours feeding energy back into the batteries wouldn't eliminate the need for fast chargers, but would greatly extend range.
A bog standard 2kw generator isn't going to help much. An EV consumes on the order of 20kw when driving at freeway speed. You would need a much bigger generator to effectively increase driving range without stopping. If you did this a lot, you would want the bigger generator to be integrated into the car, so you wouldn't have to tow a trailer and manage an external gas tank / cans. In other words, you would want a hybrid vehicle.
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Do you really imagine people want to have a gasoline powered generator running for hours to charge their "clean/green" EV?
I don't even believe "Clean/green" is the main selling point of an EV. Home charging at night combined with fuel efficiency and lower cost of ownership are the selling points of an EV- and range extender generators fit that model.
Are we going to pretend that small generators are "cleaner" or "more efficient" than a utility scale generating plant?
They aren't. And if I was running a re
Re: Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:2, Troll)
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The lack of chargers is real, it is a real problem, people who claim it's not a real problem are self-centered and in denial.
There are three obvious solutions for this, that if implemented, would create chargers everywhere:
1. Charger connection standards- these are coming, but we're not quite there yet. You shouldn't have to use the same chargers as your manufacturer, we need a good DC charging standard.
2. Residential electric customers should be offered, as an offset on their electric bill, a
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I don't think your plug in your EV at someone else's house idea would go over as well as you'd expect. People have a real "my home is my castle" attitude in the USA and wouldn't be thrilled about the idea of someone parking an EV in their driveway even if they are earning a small profit on the charge.
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Insightful)
Charger Standards - I think this is largely addressed going forward, older EVs will be an issue for a while
Residential Charging Stations - Just No. There is no amount of money you could pay me to live in a house with a "public charger" in my front yard, and I don't think I'm alone on this position. By having this in my front yard I invite random people to drive up to my house and linger there at all hours of the night, and lets not forget the EV owners that are parked up and down the street waiting for their turn at my charger. Oh, and when the charger in my front yard isn't working, don't you think the frustrated EV owners will take out their frustration on me, my house, my yard?
Business Charging Stations - See above. As a business owner that pays for a parking lot for my customers, I would take issue with non-customers filling my lot either charging or waiting to charge their EVs. If the rent paid completely covers the entire cost of ownership on the lot, why not just build the charging stations on open land?
And where does the estimated thousands and thousands of dollars per public EV charger station come from? EV Chargers are high-maintenance and expensive, you don't just drop a charger in a public parking lot and move on...
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Residential Charging Stations - Just No. There is no amount of money you could pay me to live in a house with a "public charger" in my front yard
The GP probably means public chargers in places like a multi-storey apartment buildings. It makes little sense to add public chargers in suburban homes.
Business Charging Stations - See above. As a business owner that pays for a parking lot for my customers, I would take issue with non-customers filling my lot either charging or waiting to charge their EVs.
However, with an EV charger, your empty parking spots become a profit center. And plenty of places in the US have more than enough parking. And an EV owner might just drop in and buy a bagel from your bagel shop while the car is charging. This obviously doesn't work for _all_ business types, but it can work well enough for a lot of them.
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Just No. There is no amount of money you could pay me to live in a house with a "public charger" in my front yard, and I don't think I'm alone on this position.
Wait what? Who said your front yard? The parent specifically said "curb side". And curb side charging is not only common - in some countries like the Netherlands it's actually the way most people charge. I don't see the sense in getting a discount on your bill though or even it having anything to do with your house given the parent specifically said energy companies should be doing the install here. Let them sort out their own billing.
As a business owner that pays for a parking lot for my customers, I would take issue with non-customers filling my lot either charging or waiting to charge their EVs.
This is a silly take. As a business owner you normally welcome traffic th
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the EV crash is also visible in PRC. It's in fact one of the main reasons why BYD, SAID et al are desperate to push excess unsold inventory out of PRC and into world markets
The lull in sales growth is visible there because we are reaching the point at which the majority of people allowed to have money in China already have a vehicle.
That EV shills try to cast spells on with magic words, transforming it into "desired EVs" and "EV growth".
If you don't like facts, cry a lot if you like, but there is no decrease in EV sales. There is only a decrease in sales growth, which is bullshit for slower growth than expected.
Paging CmdrTaco ... (Score:3)
"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."
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"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."
Apple no longer sells the iPod, so one could technically claim Slashdot was ultimately correct. They just were a little off on the timetable.
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In all seriousness, good wireless connectivity is important for chargers. They need it for billing.
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Informative)
> nobody is willing to buy them.
https://www.coxautoinc.com/mar... [coxautoinc.com]
"Electric vehicle sales in the U.S. grew by 11.3% year over year in the second quarter, reaching a record-high volume of 330,463 units, according to new estimates from Kelley Blue Book"
Yup, the EV market is cratering, surely.
=Smidge=
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Yet, oddly, Ford reports losing $40K/per EV sold, and is going to write off over $4 BN in losses due to EV sales this year.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/te... [foxbusiness.com]
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not the EV's fault that Ford hasn't figured out how to manufacture them and sell them for a profit.
Other companies have - but clearly it's a problem with EVs, and not Ford, right?
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Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Informative)
Okay sure.
https://www.marklines.com/en/s... [marklines.com]
Total passenger car sales in the US is down 4.5%, with light trucks up 3.2%. Overall vehicle sales are up 1.5% year over year for Jan-Jul.
So all vehicle sales are up 1.5% but EV sales are up 11.3%, Yup, the EV market is TOTALLY cratering...
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Ford, the number 2 EV maker in the US just reported losing about $40K/per EV, over $4 BN in FY 2023, and has pushed-back plans for an electric three-row SUV EV... The appeal of EVs is waning, the market is softening, and the losses are mounting. Have you seen the first year depreciation on luxury EVs? Its around 50%, and many dealers won't buy used EVs. (The depreciation is important, because many luxury car "buyers" actually lease their vehicles for various reasons, and a first-year 50% depreciation makes
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> Ford, the number 2 EV maker in the US just reported losing about $40K/per EV, over $4 BN in FY 2023,
This is one of those accounting tricks that reporters and ignorant fuckheads with an agenda use to make things look as bleak as possible; Take all the investments into infrastructure and R&D, divide by the number of vehicles sold in some arbitrary time frame, and presto! They're losing tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars per vehicle!
The reality is the vehicles sell for more than they cost t
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:4, Insightful)
Just keep moving those goalposts. Extra credit for moving them into a locked building that nobody can ever reach with the ball, by including a bunch of assumptions and made up shit!
Two lies already shot down by the anti-EV brigade, but let's just keep trying because you must be correct, and there's no other possible outcome, right?
Re: Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:2)
How about levelling the playing field by stopping the subsidies paid to oil companies?
People said the same thing about the internet (Score:5, Insightful)
This is classic government propaganda and waste. Vehicle manufacturers are stopping their buyin for EVs as nobody is willing to buy them.
So how do you distinguish between "propaganda and waste" vs infrastructure investments? The interstate highway system was built without much demand and by all measures a massive success and revolutionized American logistics and manufacturing. The internet was invented, funded, and invested in over 10 years before the first commercial websites. Were you one of those calling it "propaganda and waste" back in the 80s?
Also, not sure your precise point because "Vehicle manufacturers are stopping their buyin for EVs" is hard to parse, but if your point is that vehicle manufacturers are "stopping" anything with EVs, that's simply not true. Everyone knows that electric cars are the future. It's not a matter of "if," it's a matter of "when." At most, they're finding their EV investments not yet profitable. In my area, they're extremely common and popular. I'm the only guy on my block who doesn't yet have at least 1...and that's because I hate cars, don't drive much, and am holding onto my 12yo Toyota until it dies.
Saying nobody is willing to buy EVs is like saying in 2008 "No one is going to buy iPhones". LOTS of people buy EVs and it's a competitive market. If you want your EVs to sell, you need to come out with a good product people actually want to buy. Ford's Trucks...well...I'm no truck expert, but the sales figures indicated it simply wasn't popular. Lots of people held on to their brick and flip phones for a long time before going to smart phones. As you know, now they're only around for burner phones, hipsters, and people with impulse issues who specifically pick dumb phones because they can't trust themselves with smart phones....now they're a niche market. The same will happen to gasoline engines. In a matter of time, I would wager 10 years, you're not going to see a lot of them on the road beyond hipsters and hobbyists....and that is a good thing. If you don't agree, stand outside a busy 4 lane highway during rush hour and see how much you enjoy breathing in that air.
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>> nobody is willing to buy them
Oh yeah?
"Electric vehicle sales in the U.S. grew by 11.3% year over year in the second quarter, reaching a record-high volume of 330,4631 units"
https://www.coxautoinc.com/mar... [coxautoinc.com]
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Insightful)
EV sales have increased year over year. A decrease in growth rate isn't the same as a decline.
Legacy US vehicle manufacturers are selling vastly overpriced behemoths, which few can afford. They're just getting off the ground with a different options and need to work out first-model-year bugs. Hyundai is doing well.
If "nobody is willing to buy them (EVs)", then lift the 100% tariffs on cheaper Chinese EVs. I mean, if no one will buy them, then they're not a risk to domestic manufacturers so what's the point?
Citation: https://www.marketwatch.com/guides/insurance-services/electric-vehicle-statistics-2024/ [marketwatch.com]
Re: Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:2)
Anti EV idiots: I won't buy an EV because I don't want to wait in the long lines at charging stations
Also anti EV idiots: Why are they building charging stations nobody wants to use?
You guys are so cute.
Re:Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh wait... https://cleantechnica.com/2024/02/05/evs-at-93-9-share-in-norway-record-high/
Apparently, thats not a problem at all.
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That is a nice kneejerk reaction, but the reality is that the GP said they operate like crap below -10F. That is -23C for those people who like looking at Europe for a comparison.
Not a population centre in Norway has anywhere near -23C except by exceptional circumstances. Areas of Norway classified as "polar climates" are virtually uninhabited. About half the population of the country are spread across 5 major cities and the coldest average temperature in the winter months they receive is -2C, with an avera
Re: Charging cars nobody owns or wants to buy. (Score:3)
So, what you're saying is EVs are perfectly effective in temperatures where humans live.
I guess you might view that as a limitation, but it's not a meaningful one. There are places where people have to use planes, or boats, or snowmobiles to get around and cats won't work. But cars are still super useful for the 99.9% of people who don't live in those places.
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I get a similar drop in my car (55-60 to 40-45) in the 30s vs 70s.
If my car used a heat pump it'd be a lot lower, also a lot of the drop is a flat usage of kWh to heat the battery (capacity shouldn't impact this).
I've noticed that the range drop due to cold has a flat element (I assume this is because the battery needs to be heated and a denser battery heats more kWh of capacity per joule dumped to heat it)
I have an older i3 and get 60 miles perfect weather and 40 at freezing using only the heat when neces
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And somehow my wife and I didn't end up stranded while driving our Tesla across Wyoming in late december in 2021.
Funny thing - we were driving past supercharging stations because we had plenty of battery to make it to one further down the interstate. Turns out that properly engineered EVs have heating elements in the battery that allow you to get it to operating temperature before you start out, while you're plugged into a charger, and they maintain that temperature throughout operation by cycling coolant
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It's close to the drop I get in my i3.
A large part of it is heating the battery I suspect (I park at a friend's overnight a lot and can't preheat). It's a flat usage though, not scaling with capacity, so I get a 10-15 mile drop on my 55-60 mile range in the coldest month of winter, but at least 5 of that is just heating the battery, of I drove 10 miles a day from cold I doubt I'd even get through the third day.
On the other hand, your car uses a similar amount of power to hest the battery, but as a percentag
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I don't know about that. I'm very conservative- but I notice on Sunny days, my view of the park across the street is completely blocked by excessive street parking.
I'd love a contract where I rented a few inches of lawn to a company that put in chargers. Even if it's just a few thousand a year, it would help.
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Even if it's just a few thousand a year, it would help.
For sure. One of the fun current issues is the local crack-smith harvesting the copper. Hopefully they come up with better charging options. Maybe a contact plate on the ground. It might be harder to get the copper there?
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Anyway, "Publicly Available EV Charger"?
Who is going to use the chargers if not "the public"?
As opposed to EV chargers installed in a private garage.
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Bullshit.
Yes, the US Gov't has dedicated billions of funds, but those funds are doled out to the STATES to best decide where the chargers should go. The Feds set criteria, the States plan the rest.
THEN the States go through their normal tender process to get bids and make awards.
You make it sound like the Feds spent billions and got bupkis. The truth is they SET ASIDE billions and are going thru the process that involves respecting the States for development of THEIR infrastructure, using their existing pro
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Re:The mountain gorilla population also doubled!! (Score:5, Insightful)
It is partly a result of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law [dot.gov], passed by the current administration and a frequent target of Trump who screams he'll repeal it. Encouraging electrical infrastructure improvement and EV adoption is NOT something that would just happen regardless of which party is in the White House.
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Tesla probably built most of those new EV chargers, and they did almost of all of them without the grant money provided by the infrastructure bill. So... why is the Biden-Harris administration bragging about this again?
The grant money provided has only built about 20 new EV charging stations so far, mostly because it takes so damn long to get permits approved for these things.
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If you're unimpressed with the speed at which these get built, then you need to complain to the local state department of transportation. The US DOT is giving out block grants of money for EV chargers, and the state DOT is "charged" (heh heh) to figure out what / where to build.
Get the monkeys in your local transpo department to get the lead out.
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Left wing, right wing, same dodo bird.
The trick is voting for the bird that does the least amount of obnoxious tweeting at 3am.
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Left wing, right wing, same dodo bird.
The trick is voting for the bird that does the least amount of obnoxious tweeting at 3am.
You really think obnoxious tweets are worse than inflation? Inflation is killing the middle class and hitting young adults hard. I mean, I don't recommend voting for either of them, but it is interesting to see what partisan thinking does to people's view of reality.
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Toyota is building the 700-mile 10-minute charge batteries right now and is rolling them out for 2027.
Chargers for those are what is needed. Old obsolete chargers will just be trashed.
Toyota's work has been known this whole time.
This is getting stupid, the fastest car chargers are only 350kW, with a 150kWh battery and 10min charge time ignoring the taper portion of the charge that’s 900kW at 100% efficiency. It’s already a major problem on the Chevy Silverado, with over 200kWh there is no such thing as a fast charge because the infrastructure does not exist. We aren’t going to be getting stations with dozens of megawatt pumps anytime soon. Of the 20k miles I’ve put on my EV only about 0.3% of the miles
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To be pedantic, Huawei has started rolling out 600kW chargers in China. Both CATL and BYD (and I think LG and Panasonic) have batteries that'll take advantage of those speeds (mostly). Rates are quoted at 1 km range per second charging.
But I'm 100% with you. The people screaming for these things are non-EV drivers who have not experienced the reality and simplicity of L2 home charging. The only place DCFC chargers belong is along Interstates and long, highways where most travel is both long and thru.
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