Due to Popular Demand, GM May Build More of Its 'Hummer EV' Electric Pickups (cnet.com) 96
FrankOVD shares this report from CNET:
The people were really into the GMC Hummer EV when the brand finally ripped the cloak off the electric pickup truck earlier this year. So much so that the Hummer EV Edition 1 trim sold out in 10 minutes. Now, GMC is reportedly thinking about building more of them due to overwhelming response. According to dealer sources that spoke to the Detroit Free Press in a report last Tuesday, the brand told its dealer body it could make more of the Edition 1 trucks available...
Prices for the Edition 1 trim start at a whopping $112,595 including destination, which makes it the most expensive GM vehicle the automaker sells. Going down the trim lineup, the EV3X [in 2022] will start at $99,995, the EV2X [in 2023] will ring in at $89,995 and the base model [in 2024] will launch with a $79,995 price tag. Performance and capability notch a rung down with each trim, but that's to be expected. Those that pony up six figures for the Edition 1 will be the owners of a 1,000-horsepower supertruck of sorts with an estimated range of 350 miles to a single charge.
The Detroit Free Press notes the Hummer 1 "already has 10,000 pre-orders" — and that GMC "promises to have more EVs in the lineup beyond the Hummer pickup, including a Hummer SUV version that GM will officially reveal early next year..."
Prices for the Edition 1 trim start at a whopping $112,595 including destination, which makes it the most expensive GM vehicle the automaker sells. Going down the trim lineup, the EV3X [in 2022] will start at $99,995, the EV2X [in 2023] will ring in at $89,995 and the base model [in 2024] will launch with a $79,995 price tag. Performance and capability notch a rung down with each trim, but that's to be expected. Those that pony up six figures for the Edition 1 will be the owners of a 1,000-horsepower supertruck of sorts with an estimated range of 350 miles to a single charge.
The Detroit Free Press notes the Hummer 1 "already has 10,000 pre-orders" — and that GMC "promises to have more EVs in the lineup beyond the Hummer pickup, including a Hummer SUV version that GM will officially reveal early next year..."
Stupid Vehicles for Stupid People (Score:4, Insightful)
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You just wish you had $112k to burn in a stupid vehicle.
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ya.
i need a truck for picking up the items at the lowes or ace hardware.
e v to me means reduced cost.
35k is as much as i can afford
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Tesla Cybertruck starts at $40,000
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You shock easily:
https://www.tesla.com/cybertru... [tesla.com]
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I wanted a $35,000 model 3. There were none to be had.... ended up paying 42k. It's worth it, but I don't like that they used the lower price to get me on board.
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None have been made yet. There are lots of reservations at that price, though. Deliveries should start in about a year.
Lots of people did buy the $35,000 model 3. You just had to be patient. (They are still production constrained so they delivered high price vehicles first... probably will be the same with the Cybertruck.)
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You can afford a truck made with junk yard parts? When I buy a bicycle, I need to go to the junk yard and build it using parts I can find.
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You just wish you had $112k to burn in a stupid vehicle.
Oh, I can afford to drop $112k on a stupid pickup truck. I'm just not stupid enough to do it. I prefer to spend my money on other stuff. I can get a perfectly nice spicy little hatchback for a quarter of the price of that Hummer. Granted, I can't convert a hatchback into a technical by fitting a 27 mm auto cannon in the back and a roof turret mounted M134 Minigun to prepare for when Obama, Hillary, George Soros and the deep state come for my guns thus igniting the coming civil war. Then again, I'm not hold
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For a light vehicle like that, you need frikkin lasers.
Maybe when they miniaturise fusion reactors to fit in the spare tyre compartment. In the mean time, for my hatchback, I was thinking of an AI controlled auto targeting vehicle mounted FGM-148 Javelin missile launcher and an active camouflage coating.
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You just wish you had $112k to burn in a stupid vehicle.
Oh, I can afford to drop $112k on a stupid pickup truck. I'm just not stupid enough to do it. I prefer to spend my money on other stuff.
Well, Hold on. Why do you think they are stupid? For my part, I think that Humvee's are pretty ugly, and are pretty lame projection on the part of the owners. I take it that you object to the price? Gotta be more than that.
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You just wish you had $112k to burn in a stupid vehicle.
Oh, I can afford to drop $112k on a stupid pickup truck. I'm just not stupid enough to do it. I prefer to spend my money on other stuff.
Well, Hold on. Why do you think they are stupid? For my part, I think that Humvee's are pretty ugly, and are pretty lame projection on the part of the owners. I take it that you object to the price? Gotta be more than that.
I don't think pickups in general are stupid, just the Humvee specifically. If you genuinely need a pickup truck you can get a better pickup truck for far less money than a Humvee.
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You just wish you had $112k to burn in a stupid vehicle.
Oh, I can afford to drop $112k on a stupid pickup truck. I'm just not stupid enough to do it. I prefer to spend my money on other stuff.
Well, Hold on. Why do you think they are stupid? For my part, I think that Humvee's are pretty ugly, and are pretty lame projection on the part of the owners. I take it that you object to the price? Gotta be more than that.
I don't think pickups in general are stupid, just the Humvee specifically. If you genuinely need a pickup truck you can get a better pickup truck for far less money than a Humvee.
Sure, I agree with that. I can afford it as well. I just figure if someone wants one, they are good to get one. They are always good for laughs, because they have a wacker sort of projection.
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Which ultimately leads many of us to wonder why the hell someone would be excited about this vehicle... especially at that price! I get that the Tesla C
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I have enough money to burn on one... but why the hell would I? Anybody that has ever had the misfortune of driving a Hummer, or even sitting in one would be forced to admit that the only reason they bought it was because they thought it “looked cool.” It is hard for me to imagine there is such a thing as “repeat Hummer buyers.”
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For some pretty weird ideas of what cool is. I always laughed when I saw people in one - they were the synthol freaks of the car world. They stopped making them because people stopped buying them. And there are better and less expensive EV's as well as we're talking about GM here, so trust isn't there.
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Dude, you don't need to burn anything. They're electric vehicles.
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What this hate is really about, is that vehicle ownership is something empowering, allowing people to be independent, which is an extremely scary thing to many people.
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"A Hummer going electric should be should be lauded, "
Sure, like a lead balloon, but it's still stupid.
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"A Hummer going electric should be should be lauded, "
Sure, like a lead balloon, but it's still stupid.
Yes, we should laud a lead balloon [youtube.com].
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This really confirms to me the agenda is really about a dislike of private of vehicle ownership and not fossil fuels. A Hummer going electric should be should be lauded, but now the goal posts move yet again, and it's now become about a dislike of Americans or suburbanites or whatnot. What this hate is really about, is that vehicle ownership is something empowering, allowing people to be independent, which is an extremely scary thing to many people.
Well now, that's an interpretation out of left field. The Humvee was always a sort of one-off thing, and wasn't really a success. It was a pretend Military vehicle. And exceptionally homely, and expensive.
It had a small initial boost when it was considered somehow patriotic during the days when we renamed French fries because we didn't have support from the French in one of our wars. But sales tailed off quickly. They tried to lower the cost with newer versions, but it was a synthol freak of a vehicle, p
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People that use the word 'agenda' are typically outfielders.
I think you're quite right. I was off of Slashdot for about 8 months, and after coming back, it seems like there are a number of folks here that might like it better on parler.
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The Humvee was always a sort of one-off thing, and wasn't really a success. It was a pretend Military vehicle. And exceptionally homely, and expensive.
The Humvee is every bit as capable as the HMMVW, it is the same vehicle. They didn't even have an armored HMMVW until long after the Hummer want off-market. The only thing unarmored military HMMVWs have that Hummers don't is an auxiliary air con heat exchanger to plug into coolsuits, and that wasn't added until late in the HMMVW program either.
The HMMVW/Hummer is a great off-road vehicle if you don't need to do rock crawling or mud bogging, for which it is too heavy to be good. That's best done with a Jeep
Re: Stupid Vehicles for Stupid People (Score:2)
If this is what encourages people to drive electric, so be it!
Both my Teslaâ(TM)s cost more than 100k and I have a CyberTruck on order. Sure, an EV Hummer is a bit much of a vehicle but who are we to tell others what to drive - as long as their not harming the environment.
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For the vast majority of people, a 1.5kW charger is actually sufficient. Yes, the humble 110V outlet is actually sufficient. Think about how much your car remains parked - for the vast majority of people, the car will be parked between 20-22 hours a day. Most EVs can charge at around 3-5mph, so that's anywhere from 60 to 110 miles worth or charge, which outside of road trips is more than sufficient.
It's actually easier to equip parking lots with 1.5kW chargers than high speed chargers. I don't understand why anyone would want high speed chargers except at stops for road trips - etiquette demands you move your vehicle once charged to let others charge at a high speed charger, but a slow charger that lets you get a top up while you're parked for hours is far more convenient.
And yes, outside of road trips, opportunistic charging pretty much take care of your needs. Even if you only get 12 hours of charging, that's 36-60 miles of charging, which is more than enough for the majority of commutes.
Yes, it means a 100kWh Tesla or other EV will take 4 days of charging at 1.5kW, but the real thing is you charge whenever you park, you don't go and go hundreds of miles without charging if you have an opportunity to do so.
Given the current problem is just a lack of outlets at reasonable places like parking lots and apartment dwellers, instead of trying to provide a 45kW plug to every space, it's much easier to run a 1.5kW plug to every space. Maybe they could provide a higher power outlet for those that happen to run down their battery a bit more, but you'd only need a few of those spaces. The rest can charge all day at 1.5kW.
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Seems like this would be perfect for the the prepper types that want to live off the grid and play in their para-military bunker. Can hide out without needing to come back into town to fill up at a gas station
Would like to see specs (Score:2)
Google searches lead mostly to articles that guess at stuff but not much more. Does anyone have good info on this product and when they would likely be able to deliver?
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Perfect vehicle (Score:2, Insightful)
This is the perfect vehicle for egotists and narcissists. On the one hand you can shove your status into the faces of other egotistical narcissists, while at the same time do your virtue signalling to the climate fanatics.
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Isn't that pretty much what we heard a lot of when the Model S was first rolled out? I recall a lot of comments like "a 1%er golf cart" and downhill from there.
That said I'm OK with this as long as they are going to buy f**k-you vehicles anyway. At least they are trending towards carbon neutral. And this move also has the potential of damaging sales for the ICE-versions of the Hummer (because it is lower status) as well so there's that.
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Isn't that pretty much what we heard a lot of when the Model S was first rolled out? I recall a lot of comments like "a 1%er golf cart" and downhill from there.
Isn't that completely accureate though? :)
That said I'm OK with this as long as they are going to buy f**k-you vehicles anyway. At least they are trending towards carbon neutral. And this move also has the potential of damaging sales for the ICE-versions of the Hummer (because it is lower status) as well so there's that.
There hasn't been an ICE Hummer in over a decade. Of course it's good that this one is electric but still it's going to take several times more energy to make and run this compared to a more reasonable car. Still, I drive a 20 year old sportscar that guzzles gas and gets shit power, so who am I to judge.
Good idea (Score:2)
Can't think of a better way to get big pricks to spend a lot of money telling people they are insecure (about their tiny pricks?) Before it was largely conservatives pricks, now all kinds of pricks can come out in the open.
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good luck if you are really far off the road and run out of power.
You mean sort of like the same thing as if you are off roading and run out of gasoline for your IC powered vehicle?
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The difference is when going far off road with an ICE, there's an easy solution: a gas can or two.
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The difference is when going far off road with an ICE, there's an easy solution: a gas can or two.
When far off roading with a battery vehicle and you run out of charge, you suffer exactly the same consequences as if you were driving an IC powered vehicle and totally run out of gas - you are stuck and you have to call someone to come and get you due to your stupidity.
Yes your savior can bring you a can of gas for your IC vehicle, but in the case of the electric vehicle there is an immediate solution: your savior could simply bring you a generator. There is also a future option for when people actually h
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No savior required, and no idiocy involved either. If you expect to possibly exceed your range, you bring some extra gas with you. What are you going to do with an EV, bring an extra battery? Yes you could bring a generator, but then you would be better off just getting a hybrid.
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The difference is when going far off road with an ICE, there's an easy solution: a gas can or two.
Where do you get gas can? I mean you don't even need a petrol station to get "fuel" in an EV, just a friendly homeowner.
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Where do you get gas can?
Amazon? Home Depot? Target? You didn't think he was suggesting to just hope there's a gas can laying around in the wilderness did you? You buy one, put gas in it, and take it with you.
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So like carrying a battery pack or an emergency generator? Your answer to running out of fuel is to carry more fuel. Your innovation blew my mind.
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An extra battery pack would weigh hundreds of pounds and take up a lot of room if it has enough range to be useful. If it is used to charge the vehicle's battery it would take a long time to do so. As I mentioned elsewhere, if you're going to take a generator with you for extra range anyway, you may as well just get a hybrid instead of an EV. And yes, if you read the thread there was someone who didn't seem to realize that you can just take extra gas with you, so as dumb as it seems, it needed to be poin
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NO because it isn't close and this is why: (Score:3)
You and other off-roaders can carry the usual military-style fuel cans to replenish in the boonies. It's also easy to siphon from other vehicles as needed. Further, petrol engines can operate with considerable damage and limp home. (Been there, done that.)
Those who modded your post insightful are clueless and I suggest they learn more about the subject before spouting utter ignorance.
BEVs >>>will eventually suit off-roading but they do not yet. There could be a vehicle-to-vehicle charging option li
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The new hybrid wrangler will have MUCH higher off road capabilities than the Petrol only or diesel version.
What will it be capable of doing that the others aren't?
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What will it be capable of doing that the others aren't?
Probably it will have more output, so it will be better capable of making it through deep mud or up steep, loose hills. It won't be better for anything else, though. For rock crawling it's better to stay lighter, for example, so a hybrid will be at a disadvantage.
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Aren't hummer massive gas burners? I thought they were in the single digit miles per gallon. Going electric would be a massive saving on gas.
Also, aren't electric vehicle much simpler electrically, which would make off-roading require less maintenance?
(If I am wrong let me know, I know little about cars.)
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Alright, since you asked for it, I'm going to tell you: The Hummer isn't a car.
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while at the same time do your virtue signalling to the climate fanatics.
Not driving an ICE car is the exact opposite of virtue signalling. It's actually taking meaningful action to stop an inefficient and wasteful process of burning a fossil fuel.
mandated turns profitable? (Score:4, Interesting)
This looks like one of those "federal mandate" things where the automaker is required by law to design and sell some minimum number of this class of vehicle (EV).
This sort of thing is designed to force the few companies controlling a market to get off their laurels and do some R&D on a tech that should already be on the market, just to get the ball rolling. These low-count models often have to be sold at a loss (production PLUS cost to pay back that R&D) so they aren't going to manufacture more than they are required to.
UNLESS the public says "hey we want that!" and they unexpectedly fly off the shelves. Makes the company take a step back and re-examine the market. If you think you've only just dropped the price enough to meet your mandatory sales count and they FLY off the shelves, maybe we should raise the price, make more of them, or BOTH?
And that's what the bean-counters are currently doing. They're deciding how much they should raise the price (to get it closer to, or AT the point of profitability) and how many more to make. It's all a numbers game now. They clearly thought that at that high price they were just going to be able to comfortably sell all of that run, and the public has shocked them. The head of their Market Analysis department is going to get a good reaming, as it's now quite obvious they could have sold those vehicles for a good deal more than they did. (and maybe even should have ramped up production?)
In an alternate reality (Score:3)
> This looks like one of those "federal mandate"
Except that, or course, there is no such federal mandate.
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CAFE simply does not require any electric vehicles at all.
The 2020 CAFE requirement is something like 36 MPG. Easily achievable with gas cars.
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3% by 2030 (Score:2)
> will not get better than about 30 mpg unless it is electrified ... If you have more than two small children, car seat laws pretty much guarantee that you need a small SUV or minivan to make them all fit
I have a GMC Terrain, a small SUV. Depending on which engine option you choose, the GMC Terrain (a small SUV) gets up to 18/39 MPG (EPA).
A little known fact is that the CAFE requirements are per square foot - larger vehicles are allowed to use more gas.
It's estimated that to meet rising CAFE standards,
Re: 3% by 2030 (Score:1)
I may be misremembering, but my understanding was that the Obama EPA changed their regulations of CAFE to remove that loophole an
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To my knowledge, what changed during the Obama administration was two things. They set a target of 54.5 CAFE mpg (36 actual mpg) to be achieved ten years later, and they introduced the foot print rule (square footage rule). Quoting examples from Wikipedia for the footprint rule:
For example, the fuel economy target for the 2012 Honda Fit with a footprint of 40 sq ft (3.7 m2) is 36 miles per US gallon (6.5 l/100 km), equivalent to a published fuel economy of 27 miles per US gallon (8.7 l/100 km) (see #Calcu
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Not the kind people here want to buy or need to buy.
Every single major automaker (both foreign and domestic) was prepared to hit CAFE targets under Obama, let alone the relaxed targets we have now. And they were prepared to do it with typically performant vehicles. Frankly, you know fuck-all about this, just like everything else. Moving to smaller engines with turbochargers has permitted literally doubling output per liter, and made lightweight vehicles with good efficiency and acceleration possible.
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What do you mean? Café noir ou café au lait?
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These low-count models often have to be sold at a loss
Is this particular vehicle being sold at a loss? If not, the rest of your comment is more or less irrelevant.
ADAS (Score:2)
If it doesn't have active accident avoidance and ADAS, by 2030's standards it'll be considered dangerous. Nearly 1 million people die worldwide in traffic accidents every year. Of that about 40,000 are in the US. Violent crime killed about 15,000 yearly in the US and that's considered a major problem. Why aren't traffic fatalities considered a big deal? And I'm not even talking about the human toll of people badly injured and the corresponding financial loss .. like that's not a problem either?
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A drop in the bucket of total GM sales (Score:2)
"In its 2019 fiscal year, General Motors generated some 137 billion U.S. dollars in revenue. In that fiscal year, GM sold around 7.7 million vehicles under various brands."
https://www.statista.com/topic... [statista.com]
So 10,000 presales is a drop in the bucket of total 7,700,000 GM vehicle sales. You come away with the impression that for GM electric vehicle sales are a PR gimmick.
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It's entirely possible that 20-50 years from now most vehicles will be electric. Like any car company, GM is selling and will sell what people want to buy. This year a few people want to buy electric, so they are selling a few electric. Next year if more people want to buy electric they'll sell more electric.
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You are too optimistic. Kodak comes to mind.
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Kodak made most of their money selling film. Like printer manufacturers selling $39 printers with $35 ink cartridges, Kodak made their money on the consumables, not by selling Kodak brand cameras.
GM, Ford, Toyota, and Volkswagen don't sell gasoline. They make their money selling cars, and loans for cars. Once they have your $40K they don't give a shit whether you put gas in it or a plug. They don't sell gas.
Yeah, but can you roll coal with it? (Score:1)
Not intimidating enough.
Popular Demand? (Score:2)
Could they not put that into 90% of articles about 99% of companies?
Due to popular demand, Disney had decided to make more movies.
Due to popular demand, Pfizer makes more doses of Vaccine.
Even non-business stories:
Due to popular demand, Biden was elected President.
Due to popular demand, Trump continues to deny he lost the election.
Due to popular demand for bars and restaurants, Covid continues to thrive in America.
Due to popular demand, journalists continue to use the phrase "Due to Popular demand"
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1) the fact that there is popular demand for this vehicle is news, as that was never assured
2) GM is not just going to build more of them than they already have, but more than they were originally planning to
GOOD and this is why: (Score:4, Insightful)
Early adopter toy buyers are why the rest of us have fast desktops, phones and notebooks. They pay off R&D for all our electronic toys whose capabilities long ago passed necessity into luxury.
While a BEV SUV triggers explosive sperging it's really good for everyone because every BEV system sold supports the industry and BEV Hummers get us closer to BEV work trucks (people do use trucks for their intended purpose though perhaps not in the typical isolated urbanite/basementite Slashdotter world) using similar hardware. GM uses drivetrain parts across lines of vehicles and selling Hummers can pay for that.
Traditional automaker psychology is different than Samsung selling you a phone (well, except for the entertainment systems). GM fielding lines of vehicles for ordinary users means they must cater to users who repair, maintain and modify their machines because in that world vendor lock is a vulnerability. GM exists to make money and right now like it or not BEVs other than small automobiles are mostly toys for the rich so a comfy truck rich guy toy is a fine fit. Gasser buyers don't care their drivetrains aren't exclusive (and most of the public regard all vehicles as magic boxes) and neither will electric Hummer buyers.
I want a BEV work truck I can use for site power without bringing a noisy genset and I'm far from alone. I can use it as a whole-house UPS during outages if I add a common generator thus reducing generator run time (the Prius UPS builders have done this for years since the car is cheaper and uses less fuel than most generators!). Hummer is a step towards pollution-reducing BEV trucks and should be applauded, not scorned by hair-shirt minimalists.
Apply Tesla rules to this article (Score:2)
GM only has pre-orders so far they have sold zero, therefore they are a fraud and failure.
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GM, a fraud and failure? Absolutely.
We haven't forgotten about the General Motors EV1 [wikipedia.org].
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Well, you should. That was always intended to be a demonstrator vehicle and the laws that protect consumers from automakers abandoning vehicles that they depend upon made it economically infeasible for GM to continue to support the EV1.
If you want to be pissed off about an EV, be pissed off that so few RAV4 EVs were sold outright to customers. Those share enough parts with the ICEV model that they could have continued to have been supported, and everyone who has them loves them. They could have gone straigh
Small penis crowd rejoice. (Score:2)
I was beginning to worry that I couldn't compensate for my small penis without also destroying the environment. Thankyou GM.