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The Pandemic Brings a New Surge in Popularity For Electric Bikes (sun-sentinel.com) 137

Battery-powered bikes "have become a compelling alternative for commuters who are being discouraged from taking public transportation and Ubers," according to the New York Times' lead consumer tech writer. In March, sales of e-bikes jumped 85% from a year earlier, according to the NPD Group, a research firm. Amazon, Walmart and Specialized are sold out of most models. Even smaller brands like Ride1Up and VanMoof have waiting lists. That's a remarkable shift. For many years, e-bikes carried the stigma of being vehicles for lazy pedalers and seniors... "I was convinced that e-bikes would completely change cities all over the world in the next 10 years, but it seems like because of this crisis, suddenly it's all happening in the next three or four months," said Taco Carlier, the chief executive of VanMoof, which is based in Amsterdam.
The Times' writer notes that e-bikes are at least twice as heavy as a road bike, make an attractive target for burglar, and may need manufacturer assistance for major repairs. But he ultimately concludes that "Despite some misgivings, my experience with e-bikes made me realize the benefits are far greater than the downsides." Most important, e-bikes kept me out of my car. Whenever I had a reason to go outside — like making a trip to the grocery store or dropping off baked goods at a friend's — I preferred riding an e-bike. This will become increasingly important in the coming months. As businesses reopen, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has advised commuters to drive in cars alone. An e-bike may become crucial for squeezing through nightmare traffic.
And the Times' reporter also claims another benefit for e-bikes: joy. "On an e-bike, I saw more of the outdoors than I normally would, while keeping a safe distance from people."
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  • And then... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by thesupraman ( 179040 )

    Winter arrives (except in the south..)

    Ebikes can be nice in the right climate, for the right distances, and if you dont need to take others or a load.
    The word 'Niche' springs to mind, although you wouldnt think so with the way a good 30% of the through roads here are being eaten up for them..

    I do however wonder why they are legally allowed on the roads at similar speeds to (city) vehicles, with no registration, no mechanical check, no insurance...
    Are they not a vehicle? Are they perfectly safe?

    (yes, I know

    • Re:And then... (Score:4, Informative)

      by Aczlan ( 636310 ) on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:52PM (#60158292)

      They are probbaly classed the same as a moped (less than X horsepower and has pedals in addition to a motor) and as such dont need to be registered.

      Aaron Z

    • Re:And then... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Åke Malmgren ( 3402337 ) on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:28AM (#60158532)
      I ride my ebike year-round, and deep slush or deeply rutted ice are the only road conditions that are really difficult. Studded tyres work fine on ice, compacted snow, and with care even wet ice. Electric range is quite a bit lower as both rolling resistance and cold take their toll on the battery.
    • Re:And then... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Phillip2 ( 203612 ) on Monday June 08, 2020 @03:10AM (#60158620)

      Winter arrives (except in the south..)

      Ebikes can be nice in the right climate, for the right distances, and if you dont need to take others or a load.

      Winter -- you dress up warmer, and put ice tyres on. Scandanavia has fairly high rates of cycle commuting, even at -20C.
      Take others or a load. You use a cargo bike or a trailer.

      These things are really not complicated. Humanity can live in the hottest deserts, in the Artic winter, carrying children and heavy loads for millenia. Solutions have been found and predate the car. Actually, predate the wheel.

      • Re:And then... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by thesupraman ( 179040 ) on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:07AM (#60158782)

        I wonder, have you been to Scandanavia? I have.

        There are 2 main points that make what you say a bit... odd, and therefore result in my question above.
        Firstly, no, there is a black and white difference in the number of people using bikes outside in the cold regions of the year (I wouldn't dare say 6 months, because it is often longer, depending on the area). You will only find the most (fool)hardy using then in the cold months for anything significant, however, the second point below comes in to play.
        Secondly, Most of the bike use is VERY localised, and the localised urban density tends to be very high - there are many historical reasons for this, both political and practical. there are a LOT more '1-2 blocks down the road' trips than you will find in the US, because they dont tend to have nearly as much sprawl, and have a better integration of living/working/retail than the US. This is very much a European thing, and makes bikes MUCH more practical.

        But if you think cycling is going to replace any significant percentage of road traffic in the US without a complete change to the layout of cities? I have heard they have some nice bridges for sale as well... (and I dont mean more bike lanes, I mean pretty much mean bulldoze and rebuild the whole city..)

        Bike commuting Is a niche thing. Deal with it. This is easily show by the way they love to quote an increase percentage, not a percentage of total commute miles.

        It does make one hell of a fun and healthy form of hobby/exercise though..

        • Secondly, Most of the bike use is VERY localised, and the localised urban density tends to be very high - there are many historical reasons for this, both political and practical. there are a LOT more '1-2 blocks down the road' trips than you will find in the US, because they dont tend to have nearly as much sprawl, and have a better integration of living/working/retail than the US. This is very much a European thing, and makes bikes MUCH more practical.

          No, this is very much a high population density thing.

          • Not just density, but mass transit. The 1-2 blocks may be to get to a train, tram, or bus. I had friends in a tiny village (less then 20 houses) and people would bike to a train stop to take it to college or a larger town. If they needed to go 5 blocks they'd walk or take a bike, whereas in many parts of the US people will get into a car for such a huge distance :-) The layout of the roads are different, mostly because the cities all built up when everyone was a pedestrian.

          • by spitzak ( 4019 )

            This is a bogus comparison. Both places have equally dense areas. The fact that the USA has a larger amount of non-dense areas is pretty irrelevent, considering that the usage of bikes in similar areas of Europe is zero as well. Face it: they use bikes a lot more than the US and there is no "density" explanation.

        • I wonder, have you been to Scandanavia? I have.

          There are 2 main points that make what you say a bit... odd, and therefore result in my question above.
          Firstly, no, there is a black and white difference in the number of people using bikes outside in the cold regions of the year (I wouldn't dare say 6 months, because it is often longer, depending on the area). You will only find the most (fool)hardy using then in the cold months for anything significant, however, the second point below comes in to play.
          Secondly, Most of the bike use is VERY localised, and the localised urban density tends to be very high - there are many historical reasons for this, both political and practical.

          It depends on the area of course. This is a blog on Copenhagen.

          http://www.copenhagenize.com/2... [copenhagenize.com]

          Yes, of course, it's localized. Then, so are most commutes.

          But if you think cycling is going to replace any significant percentage of road traffic in the US without a complete change to the layout of cities? I have heard they have some nice bridges for sale as well... (and I dont mean more bike lanes, I mean pretty much mean bulldoze and rebuild the whole city..)

          Indeed. The US is very problematic and very few of its cities have developed in a sensible way. Retrofitting them is going to be difficult and it will take time.

          Bike commuting Is a niche thing. Deal with it. This is easily show by the way they love to quote an increase percentage, not a percentage of total commute miles.

          It does make one hell of a fun and healthy form of hobby/exercise though..

          Actually, I wasn't talking about the US. Someone simply said "it's fine but doesn't work in winter" which is, I think, not true. In the UK, cycle commuting is niche but less so, but I have hopes t

      • Winter -- you dress up warmer, and put ice tyres on. Scandanavia has fairly high rates of cycle commuting, even at -20C.

        Take others or a load. You use a cargo bike or a trailer.

        I don't get it.

        Why put yourself through all that misery and trouble, why not just drive your car like a normal person?

        • Why put yourself through all that misery and trouble, why not just drive your car like a normal person?

          Yes, I wonder the same thing in the morning when I cycle in. I get a pleasant commute, fresh air, and park my bike in the building in which I work. I never understand why people are happy to sit in steel boxes, crawling forward at walking pace, then round and round in circles to find a parking place, and then still have to walk through the slush.

          Bad weather is only miserable if you have the wrong clothes on. I have had to commute by car or train for only two short periods of my life. I have no idea how peop

          • Yes, I wonder the same thing in the morning when I cycle in. I get a pleasant commute, fresh air, and park my bike in the building in which I work. I never understand why people are happy to sit in steel boxes, crawling forward at walking pace, then round and round in circles to find a parking place, and then still have to walk through the slush.

            Hmm..back when I worked in an office, I would easily get to work in about 5-10 min driving.

            If biking, in the sweltering hot sun and humidity...if I made it withou

            • Where do you live where it is so hard to park?

              I live in the North of England. Our cities were designed pre-car, but have been retrofitted subsequently to support more cars. The practical upshot of this is that we have city centres with lots of people in them, but they cannot support the space for cars. Over time, I think, these cities are changing. The UK is, unfortunately, one of the more unfriendly to people walking or using a bike, but our cities are not intrinsically so. In the US, you have some cities like this (mostly East Coast), and then a lot

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Commuted for many years in Boston by bike, all through the year. If anything, biking to work in the bitter cold is actually better than doing it in extreme heat.

      The stronger you are, the less sweat is a problem in the summer because you go faster with less effort. A strong cyclist isn't going to get sweaty on an easy ride if he can keep a moderate pace and is wearing cycling clothing. In winter temperatures aren't a problem at all if you have the right clothing. Five minutes in and you're toasty as can be

    • Not just climate, but the roads. A real non-electric bike would be best of course, but we're not all in the best shape. But the roads are freaking dangerous! Even with bike lanes, there is still heavy traffic, poeple have to take right turns in front of you and cannot wait until there are no bikes anywhere in sight. There are places where I walk which do not always feel safe (crossing an offramp from a freeway where cars may be going too fast and not prepared to stop). And left turns from a major road

    • "why they are legally allowed on the roads at similar speeds to (city) vehicles, with no registration, no mechanical check, no insurance"

      If something goes wrong, the majority of loss/damage is caused by the rider. Therefore it's in their best interest to keep the bike safe. If you impact my vehicle with a 2 ton vehicle that is unsafe and with no insurance, there's a good chance I will be hurt or my vehicle substantially damaged. Do it with an ebike, and I just need to wash the blood off.

    • Perfectly fine in mild climates like (non-high altitude) California, Nevada, even Arizona. With fenders and rain gear, I ride mine year-round (typically able to wait 30 minutes for rain the let up, or leave earlier before the predicted showers), but wouldn't really want to have to deal with Portland or Seattle non-stop bad weather.

      Yes, they are a vehicle, but not a moped, so long as they are under 28mph. The 20mph versions can go on may bikeway/walking paths whereas the 28mph versions are not supposed to.

    • by fubarrr ( 884157 )

      > Winter arrives (except in the south..)

      Models with heated seats are there

  • by ZombieEngineer ( 738752 ) on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:55PM (#60158302)

    Having owned an e-Bike for about 4 years (12,000 km on the odometer, typically doing about 30 km in a single trip) the greatest advantage is dealing with those pesky terrain features known as "hills".

    One of the quirks of electric bikes is the power demand drops as the speed increases (otherwise known as electric motor back-EMF). So basically on the flat the power draw per km/mile is not that bad. Hit a hill, your speed drops and electric motor assistance increases (and watch the battery charge slowly deplete).

    The assistance of the electric motor can turn a 90 minute grind into a cruise.

    • Yeah, it's great that these were invented. 'Cause we totally didn't have two-wheeled vehicles that didn't require pedaling prior to this.

      [Full disclosure: I ride a bicycle and a motorcycle... but not an e-bike.]

      • by shmlco ( 594907 )

        The vast majority of e-bikes sold are class 1 and class 3 and those are pedal assist and do nothing if you're not peddling.

        The whole point of e-bike commuting is having a transportation mode that can get you from point A to point B AND let you exercise to boot... but not arriving at your destination all hot and sweaty because you had to go up three hills during the trip.

        I have a Gazelle and it's a lot of fun. So much fun, in fact, that I'm probably going to sell my Specialized.

    • What's the effective range on a single charge? Obviously at least the 30km you mention...

      • by ZombieEngineer ( 738752 ) on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:48AM (#60158454)

        Maximum effective range is about 65km (with pedaling) - that would be a round trip to the office and back.

        I typically use about 10Wh / km traveled (speed about 18 to 21 km/hr), I normally only run at 40% assistance rather than 100% as I need the exercise (unless there is a strong breeze then I will use 60% assistance). The installed battery is 17Ah / 36V.

        I have found that only using 50% of the battery charge before recharging dramatically increases the battery life (the first battery was 10Ah and it died after 2000 to 3000 km). Either that or the original battery pack had serious issues.

        • I don't know what kind of battery your bike uses but for cellphone Li-ion batteries I've seen recomended to keep the charge between 20% and 80%. That apparently increases lifespan quite a bit compared to deep discharging or charging.
      • by shmlco ( 594907 )

        My Gazelle is 25-55 miles, depending on the amount of power "assist" you select. On "Touring" it's about 35 miles.

        Note you can also ride them with no assist whatsoever. I've done it from time to time on flat paved trails and then you're simply pedaling a somewhat heavy bike. I've done some long distance rides where I pedal out until I start to get tired, then turn around and turn on the power for the trip back.

      • Depends on many things, such as the terrain (flat vs. hilly - my commute has 2 small hills to deal with), level of effort the cyclist is putting in (I let the ebike do most of the work on the way to work, and I do most of the work on the way home as I want a good solid work-out), size/aH of the battery, weight of the rider/load/bike (I have a pannier bag with my laptop and lunch), etc.

        I've a first gen Stromer ST1. It shipped with a 522wH (36V 14aH) battery. I used to get 3 round-trip rides of 13 miles. N

      • Range is massively variable depending on conditions, and on how much you turn up the electric "boost".

        I have a Luna Stealth -it has 3 gears, and 3 levels of power-assist. It has a torque sensor so that the harder you are pushing on the pedals the more power it adds, from nothing when cruising along to significant boost when going uphill or starting from a stop. It is rated as 20 miles of battery life, but I think they expected you to run on max power in highest gear for that.

        My commute to work is only 3 m

    • I've actually never thought of this. I would have to load my bike up in a car and drive at least 2 or 3 hours to find these "hills". I think there's a dirtbike track closer, where they brought in a bulldozer and built some.

      90 minutes seems like a rather long ride, but I guess if half of it's motorized uphill and the other half is coasting downhill, you might as well consider it as an electric motorcycle... actually, that's still too long for a commute. But less sweaty I guess.

    • It also feels really good to get the glares from other bikers as you pass them.
      • Yes, I know what you mean - I get that glare from the electric bicycle users in the flatlands because the assist is capped at 25 kph.

        • by shmlco ( 594907 )

          "I get that glare from the electric bicycle users in the flatlands because the assist is capped at 25 kph."

          Ummm... most class one bikes are "capped' at 32 kph (20mph). Then again, my class three Gazelle is "capped" at 28 mph (45 kph). And by "capped" I mean the motor stops helping you past 28 mph. It can--and has--gone faster.

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      dealing with those pesky terrain features known as "hills"

      Seattle figured out how to deal with them [blogspot.com] years ago.

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      I'm assuming you're using a hub motor rather than mid-drive.

      A mid-drive motor takes advantage of the bike's gears, which is why high end mountain e-bikes always use them. Being able to vary the gear ratio the motor is dealing with yields better performance over varied terrain. Put a mid-drive motor on an enduro bike, and it turns your local trail loop into something like a bike park with a chair lift.

  • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:55PM (#60158308)
    What's wrong with regular bikes?

    Also, did someone at /. get tricked into posting an advertisement that they didn't get paid for? Seriously, here's how the fucking article starts off:

    Many of us are entering a new stage of pandemic grief: adaptation. We are asking ourselves: How do we live with this new reality?

    For many Americans, part of the solution has been to buy an electric bike.

    You don't even need special glasses [youtube.com] to see through this one.

    • What's wrong with regular bikes?

      Nothing, as long as you live in a mostly flat city. Unlike mine.

    • What's wrong with regular bikes?

      What's wrong with fixies? You don't need gears either right, just use that endless muscle strength every day on your commute.

      Riding is fun. It's great exercise. Exercise is fun. But holy shit one needs to be in the mood for it. Just like somedays I try to set new records on the way to work, and other days I plod along depressed just wanting the trip to be over.

      E-bikes give you the choice of still getting exercise and fresh air without the dread associated of a hard slog when you don't want it. They also dra

    • I was having this conversation with a friend yesterday, while we were on a ride.

      I used to race bikes—I was a moderately talented amateur for years. I've participated in virtually every discipline, and I am 100% stoked to see people out on eBikes.

      It mostly means a lot of people who have mobility or health troubles can go out and ride. That's great! Leonard Zinn—a relatively well known bike builder and former racer himself in enthusiast cycling circles—developed some heart trouble, and can't

    • "What's wrong with regular bikes?"

      I'm fat and asthmatic, you insensitive clod!

      Cycling could help with the fat part if only I could keep doing it for long enough to get such benefits, sure. Only, I can't. Sometimes I go cycling anyway, but only recreationally because I can stop any time I want. Cycling works much better for me than swimming in an open body of water because I can take a rest, for example. But you can't just stop any time you want while commuting, because you're on a schedule.

      E-Bikes solve pro

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Nothing. But on the flip side there's nothing wrong with e-bikes either.

      I think some people are daunted by being their own motor. They don't realize how quickly they will get stronger and more fit. Ebikes may give them a somewhat better initial experience, particularly commuting. A fit cyclist isn't going to arrive at work drenched in sweat, but a beginner might.

      I see ebikes as a way of *extending* cycling. I wouldn't have any trouble jumping on a regular bike and riding twenty or thirty miles, but if I

    • by spitzak ( 4019 )

      What's wrong with unicycles?

      All bicyclists are cheating by using the easier 2-wheel contraptions!

  • I'm certainly not going to bet against a company that appoints someone named "Taco Carlier" their CEO.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    I had been pondering an e-bike for my 25 mile each way commute to work, just to shave some time off because it takes about an hour and a half each way and that's a lot of time. A Class 3 would bring that down to about an hour I think and make it feasible for me to commute every day.

    The one I was looking at was already pricey - about $2800... at least it was until the end of March. I actually went in to buy it and they had changed the price tag to $4500 because the demand was so huge.

    So, no e-bike for me.

    • The problem seems to be the fact that you live 25 miles from work. I live in Canada, and know a ton of people who live a long distance from work. Unless you live in an area that has little traffic, living so far from work is terrible no matter which mode of transportation you have. I only like 5 miles from work, and it's great. It would take a lot for me to live further away. Even by car it takes me 10 minutes to get into work with all the traffic lights and other cars on the road. Riding by bike is about

  • In southern Ontario here, bicycles are also in short supply, as are the people that assemble them for consumers.

    Currently it's impossible to find economically priced bicycles, those sub-$200 class bikes that most consumers go for. Canadian Tire, Walmart are all out of any bike less that $350, and even if you decide to burn the wad on something higher-end good luck getting someone to put it together for you.

    It'll be months before that supply chain gets caught up. The shitshow continues....

    • My pedal bike was $350 back in the 1970's
    • If someone can't figure out how to assemble a Walmart bike, they probably can't figure out how to ride it either. It's just as well. Walmart bikes are poorly made, uncomfortable, and unreliable. If you're not bright enough to assemble it, you definitely aren't bright enough to maintain and repair it. You'd better stick to walking or riding a bus.

      If you watch Craig's list, you can probably buy a 10 year old Cannondale for the price of a new Walmart bike. I'd take a 10 year old Cannondale over any brand new W

      • Have you checked out Craigslist "bikes" section recently? It's slim pickings.

        Also I'm going to go ahead and say that Walmart bikes have their place. I got a used Walmart bike for my daughter to "commute" to middle school, it was in perfect condition and cost like $50. She rode it to school for over 2 years until she started to outgrow it. Then it got stolen, which saved us some hassle. All in all it was ideal.

  • Yet companies are crushing eBikes in huge numbers.
  • pointless.... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dhickman ( 958529 ) on Monday June 08, 2020 @09:51AM (#60159418)
    I have an electric bike and they are a great idea.

    The problem with them is twofold. First they are two fast for bike lanes, and too slow for car lanes.

    Next until a $3,000 bike is considered no different than a $3,000 motorcycle or used car, there is no point to own one. If a bike gets stolen, the police will do nothing about it. If a thief is caught with a bike, nothing is going to happen to them. This has to change.
  • The demand for skates, perhaps mainly inline, but also quad skates, has risen during the quarantine.
    So much so that there is a worldwide shortage right now as supply chains try to keep up.
    It would be interesting to see if interest will hold as streets eventually get busy again.

  • Hi there -- One of my many hats is as a bicycle professional. I love that so many people are getting and riding bikes. It's neat that they're electric-- especially while they're new. However, there's much concern in the industry that when it comes to repairing the bikes' specialized components, most bike shops are going to be hard pressed to do so. Electric drive-trains are by no means standardized and most are 100% unserviceable devices.

    Additionally, in a rush to stock and sell the bikes during the boom, t

  • I've a 6.5mi one-way commute to work. 5.5mi of that is on a bikeway where I can go 22-23mph (over 20mph is from pedaling), no stops (so long as the peds stay on the right, at least when I ring my bell). I'm typically only a few minutes slower to work vs. my car which has about a dozen lights to stop/go on the way to work. The last 1mi is the same in car vs. ebike as most of downtown where I work is 25-30mph anyway, but the car is at best only a few minutes faster if it hits all the green lights.

    Best thin

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