Jaguar To Cut I-Pace Output On Battery Shortage (autonews.com) 48
Thelasko shares a report from Automotive News Europe: Jaguar Land Rover is pausing production of the Jaguar I-Pace electric SUV due to battery supply issues from LG Chem's Poland plant. JLR said it has adjusted production schedules of the model due to temporary supplier scheduling issues. "We are working with the supplier to resolve this and minimize impact on customer orders," JLR said. JLR did not name the supplier [A source familiar with the matter told Automotive News Europe that the battery supplier is LG Chem]. It also did not say when the production pause would start. The I-Pace is a rival to the Tesla Model X, featuring a large 90kWh battery and a range of about 377 km (234 miles). According to The Times newspaper, production of the I-Pace will stop for a week starting on Monday, Feb. 17.
I like driving in my car ... (Score:2)
First they said customs would be one hour (Score:1)
First, they said customs would be just as quick, but it went from 1 minute to 60 minutes due to Brexit.
Then, they said sure you can get batteries, but if you're not EU, you're second class, so that means no batteries.
Have fun storming the castle, boys!
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Oh bugger off!
The car is being built in Austria (the one without the kangaroos), not in the UK. And German manufacturers are also affected.
The supply issues have nothing to do with Brexit, Donald Trump, Coronavirus, climate change, immigration or the Kardashians.
Get off your #$%^ soap box.
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Which Austria is it that has the kangaroos? Is it Salzburg? https://salzburg-zoo.at/ [salzburg-zoo.at]
The Jaguar are from Graz.
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Yes, it is Salzburg.
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"The car is being built in Austria (the one without the kangaroos), not in the UK. And German manufacturers are also affected."
Indeed. Companies that rely on buying batteries from other companies are fucked.
Tesla knew that already 8 years ago.
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Landrover, too.
All those Americans who drive "luxury" Range Rovers are buying Indian cars!
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What? People were buying it?
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I mean, if you're looking for an electric SUV there aren't a ton of choices. Tesla has the Model X, but it's on the Consumer Reports list of the 10 least reliable cars for sale in the US today. There aren't a lot of "gems" in this segment.
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"if you're looking for an electric SUV there aren't a ton of choices"
Not a ton but more than a few.
Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro, Audi e-tron, Mercedes EQC.
If you don't mind a hybrid, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has sold about 1/4 million globally.
Toyota also has hybrid versions of RAV4 and Highlander.
If you'll consider a FCEV, there's the Hyundai Tucson ix35
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People have rendered the word "SUV" meaningless. To most people, it implies a large vehicle with lots of interior space. There's nothing big about a Hyundai Kona or whatnot. The I-Pace, too, isn't even remotely close to the Model X inside; it has less internal space than the Model S.
If the vehicle is too small to at least have an optional 3rd row of seating, it shouldn't be compared to the Model X.
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"If the vehicle is too small to at least have an optional 3rd row of seating, it shouldn't be compared to the Model X."
Why not? Is it not ugly enough?
Not everyone, or frankly anyone, thinks that an SUV is first and foremost a people hauler. Get a van.
Also, it's clear that the old Apple fanboys are now Tesla fanboys, defining everything through the lens of what particular products of the their team do well. The Model X is a hideous POS, it should consider itself fortunate to be compared to anything.
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People have rendered the word "SUV" meaningless. To most people, it implies a large vehicle with lots of interior space.
No, that's called a "van".
Mixing "Sport" and "Utility" has never produced more then fashion accessories for Soccer Moms.
SUV? Re:Wait (Score:2)
People have rendered the word "SUV" meaningless.
It is just a marketing term. The Model X is called an SUV but it is not. It is a minivan. Great for soccer moms and maybe a sales executive that has to drive clients around. Don't put any adults in the third row.
But: No off-road capability. No way to put a kayak, tent, hang-glider or other gear on the top. I wanted to buy a Model X before I saw one and my impression is that it was just a distorted Model S. You can check into any hotel but not go camping anywhere but a paved campground.
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Don't put any adults in the third row? I'm not sure you've been inside a Model X in a 7-seat config; the third row is plenty big (IMHO). Model Y's third row on the other hand, with the pics I've seen, I wouldn't count on putting adults there unless they have dwarfism ;) The third row of the Model Y is for children only.
I fully agree however about offroading. Clearance isn't a problem for the Model X, but it's not built for offroad-style abuse. Anyone who buys a Model X planning to offroad in it is goin
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"Not a ton but more than a few.
Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro, Audi e-tron, Mercedes EQC."
They all suck.
The Mercedes f.ex. needs 48 hours to load at home and that's with 240 Volt.
They sold a few dozen of them.
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I mean, if you're looking for an electric SUV there aren't a ton of choices. Tesla has the Model X, but it's on the Consumer Reports list of the 10 least reliable cars for sale in the US today. There aren't a lot of "gems" in this segment.
There are a couple available now. You have the Jaguar i-Pace, the subject of this article. Car of the year 2019 [jaguar.com] - a wonderful car, I've got one and I love it.
Other cars in the premium SUV category are Audi E-tron and Mercedes EQC - all of which are driving around in Norway these days. You also have the Tesla Model X, which is slightly larger, better range and less premium. As for smaller SUVs, you have the Hyundai Kona and the Kia Niro.
In 2021 you have a lot of new models coming, from a lot of manufactur
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Not really. But LG Chem is shortchanging everybody on battery cells these days, to the point where even poor sellers like the I-Pace are hurting from it.
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Sales in the UK have been decent, I understand it's not doing so well in the US.
It's a nice car. I test drove one. It's quick and the handling is excellent, really good fun. It's also got great build quality and an very nice interior. With the offers available (nobody pays list price) it's quite attractive too, i.e. you can lease one for about half the monthly cost of a Model X.
It has some limitations, it's not very efficient and the charging speed could be better, but no car is perfect and no everybody is
Cut or Pause? (Score:3)
-Well at least shortage wasn't confused with shrinkage.
Why would anyone buy a Jaguar? (Score:3)
When my friends and I started making enough coin in the 90s to buy cars like that Jaguar was known to be both hard to work on and unreliable.
From what I hear now I dunno about the hard to work on part, but they're unreliable.
If you want to buy a car with the intent to sell it in 2-3 years, go for it. If, like me, you buy a car intending to run it into the ground before you buy another car, then run away. Far far away.
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Are you sure it makes sense to accuse an electric car of being unreliable?
I doubt it has cheap wheel bearings.
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Jaguar has had quality issues with pretty much every part of the car over the years. Window seals, steering columns, suspension, door latches, you name it. When parts cost three times as much and take weeks to months for delivery it's not one that I'd ever want to own.
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If "three times" more expensive bothers you, you're three times too poor to buy that car.
If a poor man buys a rich car, his troubles with it have only just begun.
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I'm just opposed to price gouging, and since Volkswagen/Audi/Porche has cars that are just as nice inside and have **far** superior handling I'll probably stay in that stable. Jags have always had more snob appeal than value.
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Your comment is irrational. Handling quality depends on personal preferences, the center of balance, and wheelbase, driver position, etc. You seem to believe that handling characteristics can be described as "superior" or not, and yet you then instantly jump to insisting it is the other guy who is the snob.
There is absolutely no reason to believe that the luxury elements of the luxury vehicle described are even overpriced, much less something like "gouging." That's absurd.
News flash: You're the snob, who th
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I've been called a lot of insults in 18 years on SlashDot, but this is the first time for 'hipster'.
The gouging that I was referring to is the prices of the constant stream of replacement parts that Jag owners need to buy, almost as bad as SAAB.
If I wanted something that handled like a Cadillac then I'd buy a Cadillac. A TT or Cayenne can at least corner on a hairpin without the back end breaking loose.
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You even tried to add a hipster spelling to slashdot, that's sad.
Yes, being allergic to certain brands of car you can't afford makes you hipster, and a snob. A higher quality snob would be snobbish about nice things, you're just snobbish about shitty things because hipster is the only leet you can afford.
Whining that expensive cars cost too much while at the same time bragging that you could afford an expensive car if it was Virtuous enough leaves you neck deep in hipsterism.
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You sound really current. Are the new Jag EVs positive ground?
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I think the people who drive Jaguars and Land Rovers are more likely to lease them than buy them. That way they're not on the hook for repairs when the factory warranty runs out.
But yeah, Jaguar and Land Rover are still very unreliable according to JD Power's 2020 Vehicle Dependability study of 3 year old cars [jdpower.com]. Jaguar was 3rd to last while Land Rover was dead last.
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And that's after the big improvement in reliability after Ford bought the Jaguar brand and switched away from the horribly unreliable Lucas electrical systems. Think how bad it used to be.
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Hmmm just like other EVs.
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But not as far away as from a Tesla, which is well known to be of even lower quality than Jag. When you are in last place, everything else is better than you.
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These days they are reliable, or at least as reliable as other brands. The i-Pace being their first EV had a few issues with early models but that's all sorted now.
Interestingly WhatCar rates Jaguars as both the most reliable and least reliable in the luxury barge category: https://www.whatcar.com/news/2... [whatcar.com]
But even the least reliable ones are, relatively speaking, pretty reliable. They are okay about warranty work too, at least in EU consumer law countries.
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And Skodas used to be so crap that there were *thousands* of Skoda jokes comparing them to rubbish skips, bricks, and all sorts.
I haven't heard those jokes in a couple of decades now, though.
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People who can afford expensive cars usually replace them rapidly. It's the people who buy them second hand who get screwed.
There is one Jag worth buying - the last year of XJ12. Still had the glorious motor and styling, but Jaguar was owned by Ford at the time and they gave it a proper electrical system (not made by Lucas, prince of darkness.) If there's one thing Ford does right, it's electrical. I just did tail and tow wiring on a 2006 F250 that was getting a Great Northern flatbed put on and it was cake
Sigh. Batteries. (Score:2)
RRP: From £63,925
Battery charge time: 38.8h at 220V (a fucking day and a half!)
and still only 234 miles. That's *half* my petrol car range, still.
Seriously, guys, until you work out the batteries and do something different, these are just toys.
And SUV it's not... it's a Chelsea tractor to take your kids to school. You aren't going to be doing even a road-trip with 234 miles range.
It doesn't even look bigger than my Ford hatchback.