Turkey Unveils First Fully Homemade Car In $3.7 Billion Bet On Electric (reuters.com) 39
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Turkey unveiled its first fully domestically-produced car on Friday, saying it aimed to eventually produce up to 175,000 a year of the electric vehicle in a project expected to cost $3.7 billion over 13 years. The project has been a long-time goal of President Tayyip Erdogan and his ruling AK Party as a demonstration of the country's growing economic power. Speaking at the unveiling ceremony, Erdogan said Turkey aimed not only to sell the car domestically but also wanted it to become a global brand, starting with Europe.
Erdogan said the charging infrastructure for electric cars would be ready nationwide by 2022. The new project, launched in October, will receive state support such as tax breaks, and establish a production facility in the automotive hub of Bursa in northwest Turkey, according to a presidential decision in the country's Official Gazette. Five models of the car will be produced, the statement said, adding the government had guaranteed to buy 30,000 of the vehicles by 2035. "We're all together witnessing Turkey's 60-year-old dream become reality," Erdogan said, referring to failed plans in the past to build a fully home-produced car. "When we see this car on roads around the whole world, we will have reached our goal."
Erdogan said the charging infrastructure for electric cars would be ready nationwide by 2022. The new project, launched in October, will receive state support such as tax breaks, and establish a production facility in the automotive hub of Bursa in northwest Turkey, according to a presidential decision in the country's Official Gazette. Five models of the car will be produced, the statement said, adding the government had guaranteed to buy 30,000 of the vehicles by 2035. "We're all together witnessing Turkey's 60-year-old dream become reality," Erdogan said, referring to failed plans in the past to build a fully home-produced car. "When we see this car on roads around the whole world, we will have reached our goal."
Shit leader, shit govt (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Shit leader, shit govt (Score:4, Insightful)
hope it fails
Most likely you will get your wish. Governments are bad at "picking winners", and this is an especially bad bet. Turkey does not have a large manufacturing infrastructure or deep supply chains. They should focus on simpler products rather than subsidizing complicated "prestige" projects like car manufacturing.
The only thing dumber would be slathering subsidies on aircraft manufacturing. Guess what? They do that too [wikipedia.org].
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The partnership with Trabant will be a game changer.
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Turkey does not have a large manufacturing infrastructure or deep supply chains.
Not so sure about that. The article states that Turkey is already a hub for various global car manufacturers
Turkey is already a big exporter to Europe of cars made domestically by firms such as Ford (F.N), Fiat Chrysler (FCHA.MI), Renault (RENA.PA), Toyota (7203.T) and Hyundai (005380.KS)
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Electric cars are significantly simpler than gas powered cars. Basically a sheet metal industry, a plastic molding industry for the interior and local distributors for all the electronics that you are anyway going to import from China are all that is needed. No complicated mechanical parts that need precise quality control to meet ever more demanding EU emissions regulations, and significantly fewer electronic components even, as there are fewer parts to control. Local lithium ion battery production would
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> Basically a sheet metal industry
This guy gets the Cybertruck. :)
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Governments are bad at "picking winners" is conservative dogma and not necessary true. Consider the US government created the interstate highway system as well as the internet. The US Post Office created commercial aviation with contracts for air mail delivery.
None of those were planned that way, they just ended up there by coincidence, often in direct contradiction to what the government wanted. The interstate system, or to give it its full name the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, which also reveals its intended purpose, was designed with a goal that's very different from how they're used today. The Internet was a research project that got out of hand, and for the first 20-25 years of its life was explicitly run to be the opposite of what i
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The Military and government wanted USPO to use the aircrafts purposely as a way to develop the aviation industry. It worked EXACTLY as it was meant to be. [wikipedia.org]
The highway system was purposely designed to be dual nature, that is, for commercial use mostly, with military needs as a side. It works EXACTLY as it was meant to be. [wikipedia.org]
Internet was designed PURPOSELY to work this way. Up until 199*, those of use on the net were connected with military, DoD orientated companies, hi-tech compa [wikipedia.org]
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Shit leader, shit government, but I hope it succeeds. Our hatred for a person or a regime should not get in the way of advancement for humanity as a whole.
10K-12K pickup/van with 200 mile range (Score:3)
overnight recharge is fine.
I don't need 20K worth of computers/GPS/OnStar/built-in WIFI...
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overnight recharge is fine.
I don't need 20K worth of computers/GPS/OnStar/built-in WIFI...
But your insurance company does...
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My insurance company seems not to care. The cheapest liability coverage* I have is for a couple of vehicles that are 40 years old (1979 models), predate air bags, anti-lock brakes, backup cameras, crumple zones and all sorts of other nonsense.
*Liability covers the damage I might do to someone else. So nothing to do with my vehicles value or repair costs.
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Actually, all of my vehicles personal injury premiums cost within a few dollars of each other. The cheapest being for a 1979 Porsche (no airbags or other garbage besides seat belts).
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I don't need 20K worth of computers/GPS/OnStar/built-in WIFI...
You do need 20k worth of batteries to give you that range. All the computer shit is pretty cheap.
Actually decent looking (Score:2, Interesting)
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How about that name: Togg.
I just got a new car
Cool. What did you get?
A Togg.
Sweet.
Sounds Scandinavian! (Score:2)
If a WhatSaab and a Vulva can make it, so can Togg.
It's Italian design, Chinese manufacture... (Score:2)
...Turkish label.
Design [motor1.com] has apparently also been shopped around more than once. [auto-motor-und-sport.de]
Meanwhile, automotive sector has caved [ahvalnews.com] while much of the rest of Turkish economy is either following suit or stagnating.
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would you say that turkey has a, uhhhh, self-basting car industry?
(I'll let myself out, thanks.)
3.7 billions? (Score:2)
That's what VW pays in fraud fines.
Per month.
"Growing ecconomic power"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not likely. He may have slowed the decline a bit, but his country is fucked. And that is almost completely his fault. Well, to be fair, it is the fault of those that voted for him. This guy makes Trump look like an intellectual.
Re: "Growing ecconomic power"? (Score:1)
Governments shouldn't necessarily be run by intellectuals. "Intellectual " is not the penultimate title. In fact, people who are effective at getting things done are usually not intellectuals. Mostly it's other intellectuals who hold intellectuals in high esteem. Most of the rest of us have other priorities.
Re: "Growing ecconomic power"? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Intellectual " is not the penultimate title.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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People that get stuff done but do not understand what they are doing typically get things messed up. Getting things done is a pretty small part of it. Deciding what things are worthwhile doing is not. Sure, after that decision has been made, things still need to be done, but that is not leadership, that is management.
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This guy makes Trump look like an intellectual.
Don't confuse Trumps complete ignorance and ineptness with Erdogan's careful consolidation of power. He not only knows what he is doing (to the detriment of his own country) but he's also been very calculated in doing it.
Compared to Mr President whose singular competence seems to be his incredible ability to tweet faster than news articles can even figure out WTF he is saying.
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I doubt very much that Erdogan knows what he is doing. Sure, he is skilled in the consolidation and application of power within his particular cultural spot, but like any religious fuckup, his ultimate goals have no connection to reality.
Well, in today's information wars... (Score:2)
Blame gets you nowhere.
It's all a big net of causes and effects.
People have far less control over what they feel and want, than they think.
Sure, voters gave their part in the fuck-up.
But what makes a person think like that in the first place? What upbriging, education, traumata, massive orchestrated manipulation by the media.
To cut to the chase: Where's the knob to turn, that you and I can most effectively influence bad things in the world.
From what I can tell, there is nothing more useful, than a good educ
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I am not attributing blame (although it may sound like it), I point out causalities and mechanisms. In a sense, that is thinking even less of these people, because I deny them agency. (If you have agency, then you can be blamed for the effects of your decisions.)
I sort-of agree to your stance on education, but I doubt it is quite that valuable. From my observations and that of friends that teach as well, you usually have something like 15% independent thinkers in any course you teach. You may be able to shi
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This guy makes Trump look like an intellectual.
As much as I dislike the Turkey-government, you are wrong there. Erdogan is a dictator, true - but not stupid! Trump is just plain stupid, and clearly out of his depth ordering a Big Mac, but Erdogan is trying very hard to stay in power. Using every means he can think of, disregarding any human right as neccessary. So, clearly a bad guy. But /not/ dumb...!
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Well, Trump has to fight a lot of control mechanisms that Turkey does not have or that are far more easily circumvented. From a purely intellectual standpoint, it would be interesting to see how far Trump could get if his power was not kept in check.
Also, Trump is not a religious fanatic, hence he may still have some king of moral compass connected to the real world, hard as believing that is.
From the summary (Score:2)
When we see this car on roads around the whole world...
We will say "Wow! What a Turkey."
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So... today's Muslim bloc Yugo? (Score:2)
Wait until they release their edition of Yugo's signature model. The Yugo Nowhere [youtu.be].
Tinker Bell says yes. (Score:2)