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Watch Fish Swim By Petabytes of Data At Microsoft's Underwater Data Center (vice.com) 97

An anonymous reader quotes a report fro Motherboard: In June, Microsoft announced that it had placed a self-sufficient, waterproof data center off the coast of the Orkney Islands in Scotland. The data center, loaded with 864 servers capable of handling 27.6 petabytes of data, represented the culmination of nearly four years of research and development on the project, codenamed Natick. The underwater data center is the first of its kind. It's a proof of concept that aims to cut down on one of the biggest costs of running a data center on land -- cooling -- and can be rapidly deployed anywhere in the world. Due to the experimental nature of the project, however, Microsoft needed to keep a close eye on its pilot project. In order to monitor the environmental conditions around the tank, it placed two cameras nearby that livestream from the bottom of the ocean 24/7.
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Watch Fish Swim By Petabytes of Data At Microsoft's Underwater Data Center

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  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:24PM (#57112040) Journal
    Parsing that headline took time. Time flies like an arrow.
    • The web cams are pretty cool [microsoft.com]. I didn't realize there were so many fish in the ocean in that part of the world. I kind of considered the North sea and areas around it to be rather dead and devoid of life. Now I see I was wrong.
      • If you paid attention enough, there is seemingly a lot of crap falling from above..
      • I didn't realize there were so many fish in the ocean in that part of the world.

        There isn't. This camera is not just randomly placed in the ocean. It is attached to a large object (the data container) that acts as an artificial reef, attracting fish that school around and below it.

        • They understandably weren’t concerned about aesthetics when they positioned that camera... yes there are fish in the shot, but it’s unlikely anyone will want to watch it for more than a few seconds.

          If you want something more aesthetically pleasing (and relaxing), I recommend the Monterrey Bay Jellyfish Cam: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]

          • I was able to watch it for almost 30 seconds. You youngsters have no attention span nowadays!

            And thx for the link. Definitely an upgrade. You deserve a gratuity, so here...

            Q: How does an attorney sleep?
                            A: First he lies on one side and then on the other.

      • A bit off topic, but I was somewhat surprised to learn that cold northern waters actually contain a lot more nutrients for the undersea ecosystem than warmer oceans further south (I think I learned this from Blue Planet?). We think of those ocean regions as life-rich because of the niche areas of coral reefs or shallows, but in the open ocean, it's much less so.

        Back on topic, I notice that these are designed for deployment for up to five years without maintenance. I'll be interested to hear if they can hi

        • Considering all the metal parts visible in the cam, they're definitely not long-term deployable. They're going to need new anodes even if they don't have any faults.

          Cloud hosting only. But, not bad concept for that use.

        • Obviously, they'd have to figure out if it makes any economic sense to do this, but it's pretty neat as an experiment.

          Especially if they can run one of these hot enough to boil water and create a column of steam in the air in a spot strategically chosen to water a dry area of adjacent land.

        • by mikael ( 484 )

          Sea water maintains a constant temperature compared to land. Coastal areas have a more moderate climate than those inland.

          The modules seem to be designed from oil industry technology - designed to survive in a salt environment like the North Sea. That will corrode just about any metal. The winter storms with 30m ocean waves won't help either.

    • But fruit flies like a banana.

  • The last I checked most phones would fail and lose water-proofing if they start ringing underwater. Or their touch sensor won't work, or some sort of handicap like that.

    • Who's using a phone under water?
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by phantomfive ( 622387 )
        I'm drowning, you insensitive clod!
      • People who use boats often for work or pleasure often find they have dropped their phone in water. They drop it into shallows, which is usually the case as they drop phones accidentally when climbing / alighting the boats. In such scenarios, it is easy to retrieve the phone, but it would just be a brick by the time it is retrieved. The possibility of communication is vital in such circumstances where they might be traveling over water, possibly alone.What is the point of spending thousands of dollars on com

  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:25PM (#57112048)
    ... warming of the oceans....
    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:30PM (#57112078)

      ... fish and chips.

    • compared to less air deterioration, it's a win.
      • Maybe, maybe not. I wonder about the effects upon a warmer ocean and the weather. Oversimplification, I'm sure, but mother nature can be nasty when provoked.
        • by Lopton ( 990061 )
          If you look at this from purely an energy perspective the less energy used, the less energy there is to be added to the equation. If they put this same data center on land, they would need energy to run a cooling system, likely to include air conditioning. Since some of that energy is lost as heat all the way from production to real work, this system of placing it underwater will be devoid of those losses. In the end with less energy use, less heat is produced. So I think that is win.
  • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:27PM (#57112058)
    like use less CPU, by installing Linux on all the servers (they can keep the ugly colored logo though, nobody's gonna check what's inside the box down there)
    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:30PM (#57112076) Journal
      It's a datacenter probably for Azure, so they might actually be running Linux on a lot of those boxes (if not all of them, and running the Windows instances in VMs).
      • There's no one to reboot the servers (remote management has its limits), thus it'd be suicidal to run Windows there.

        • by Lopton ( 990061 )
          I am pretty sure they could add a remote power cut off relay to this to power cycle them...
          • I am pretty sure they could add a remote power cut off relay to this to power cycle them...

            ... just to see Windows trying to install updates over and over. Or a STOP 0x8000003 immediately.

            Obviously, iDrac will then fail with an expired Java certificate server-side...

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            That is what Intel Management Engine is for. It runs separately to the main CPU and OS, so in theory no matter how badly they have crashed it can reboot them and provide VNC style remote screen/keyboard. You can access the BIOS with it etc.

            Of course it also makes the machine ridiculously insecure...

  • How fast can they change a SSD or a memory module down there?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      They don't, you just install enough spare capacity that you can afford 10 years worth of failures.

    • by sims 2 ( 994794 )

      They don't.
      Everything sits as it was shipped and the reduced costs make up the difference.

      It's even filled with nitrogen to eliminate the possibility of fires.

      I'm interested to know what they are running on it. Like are they using it for commercial services? Or are they really just running through endless test cycles on 27PB of storage?

      • I knew I wasn't the only guy thinking of this! Biggest problem I see is something severs the cable or an container integrity breach. Unlike air, everything in that container is lost if water gets in.
        • by sims 2 ( 994794 )

          It's no small sum to loose either, the 27PB alone has to be about 500k as a low estimate.

    • How fast can they change a SSD or a memory module down there?

      If any part fails, the TOS states that you need to install a new data center.

  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @01:03PM (#57112240)

    until an ocean floor trawler rips up rheir power or fiber.

    Or sea life (like underwater squirrels) try eating the cables. /s

    • If this is for Production use then it certainly has redundant power and fiber connections which take different routes to the shore.

  • Isn't "Orkney Islands" like saying "the La Brea tar pits" or "Rio Grande river", given that "ey" means island?
    I've always heard them referred to as just the Orkneys.

    • So the name of the Islands is actually Orkn?
    • by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @02:51PM (#57112728)

      Your attempted pedanticism is false. So lame.

      Orkn means seal in Old Norse. Neyjar means islands. So the name Orkney is a corruption of the words "Seal Islands." But it does not literally mean Orkn Islands, as the name isn't Orkneyjar but merely Orkney.

      OTOH, the Old Gaelic name was Insi Orc, Island of the Orcs. But Orc in Old Gaelic means pig, as in a wild boar.

      It appears actually that the ancient Pictish inhabitants had a Boar as the symbol of their ruling noble family, and the later Norse inhabitants simply took it to mean their own similar-sounding name, Seal, based on the place-names taken out of context. And the later Pictish (eastern Scottish highlander) residents dropped part of the Old Norse word for islands, but didn't go back to Orc from Orkn.

      The phrasing "the Orkneys" is similar to that from Pliny, who called them the Orchades. But they were likely still actually called Insi Orc at that time.

      Also, when a corrupted word has a suffix particle from a different language than the root, they generally combine to form a new root word, and would need a new suffix. This is not any contradiction, just a reality of the evolution of words.

      • by arth1 ( 260657 )

        Your attempted pedanticism is false. So lame.

        Orkn means seal in Old Norse. Neyjar means islands. So the name Orkney is a corruption of the words "Seal Islands." But it does not literally mean Orkn Islands, as the name isn't Orkneyjar but merely Orkney.

        Your attempted at being even more pedantic isn't an improvement.
        Ey is singular, eyjar is plural. Orkneys is an English plural to a Norse word for island on a gaelic stem. Much like the individual islands with names like Westray, Sanday and Ronaldsay.
        The ey still very much part of the word, whether in singular Orkney or plural Orkneys, it means "island".

        • You were doing good, but you didn't make it far enough into my analysis to see that I addressed that.

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Boars are nothing. Albania has a two-headed chicken as a symbol. It worked wonders on scaring the foreigners off as no one wanted to be fighting two-headed chickens.

        • The emblem of the Kastrioti family, as seen on the flag of Albania, is an eagle. The Scottish side of my family has a Rooster as their crest, with a single head, and I dare say that they were more feared on the battlefield. One were renowned military leaders, hired to help lead armies all across Europe during times of war; the other were not.

          Looking at history, nobody was ever scared of attacking Albania. That never happened. The Greeks generally didn't even mention passing through it; the Huns had to fight

  • Anywhere? (Score:4, Funny)

    by VonSkippy ( 892467 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @01:44PM (#57112418) Homepage

    " and can be rapidly deployed anywhere in the world."

    Like to the Sahara?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Have to read the EULA to see the definition of "deploy" used here is all about placement rather than function. It can be placed in the sahara, rapidly.

  • To breach this thing. The ocean doesn't like to be warmed.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    That heat will create a micro eco system. It'll attract smaller organisms, which will attract larger, yada yada.

    I wonder if Microsoft did an environmental impact study to what happens when they turn it off. There'll be a kill off?

    2nd, I'd expect to see it being a fishing spot?

  • Fucking Genius (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nagora ( 177841 ) on Sunday August 12, 2018 @03:08PM (#57112802)

    Everyone's worried about the warming of the oceans, so Microsoft puts a giant heater in one!

    Yeah, yeah - I know. But there was a day when someone said "a bit of plastic dumped in the ocean's not going to matter, is it?". It's called learning from your mistakes; maybe we should try it some time.

    • by kaoshin ( 110328 )
      They already had a team study this and determined that it heats up the water close to it by no more than a few thousandths of a degree Celsius warmer than a few feet further away from it. The environmental impact of your using an electronic device to post on Slashdot is probably of equal concern, but its not too late to learn from mistakes!
  • Flood it with seawater, and everything electronic inside is toast.
    • Flood it with seawater, and everything electronic inside is toast.

      Similarly, most land-based server installations are susceptible to a simple H-bomb attack.

      • But conventional explosives are much easier to come by and every submarine of every navy on the planet that has them has torpedoes that will do the job. That's the point.
  • 100% uptime, until the first disk fails.
  • In Scotland. Yeah, right [dailymail.co.uk].

  • Nothing could go wrong with this scenario, nothing, I tell you!

    100% uptime until the cows come home!

    wait...cows?
  • But all I saw were three pulsing dots while I waited for it to load. I got sick of waiting after 15 min and gave up. Which company was this for again? Oh, yeah, the ever dependable Microsoft. You can depend on it to break.
    • by tsa ( 15680 )

      For me it worked. At least MS can do full screen video on the iPad, unlike Google with their terribly broken YouTube website.

  • When it's obsolete, they can just unplug it and walk away. Who's going to notice & do anything about it?

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