Microsoft To Begin Reducing Your Free OneDrive Cloud Storage Starting Today (betanews.com) 212
For those of you who forgot -- or didn't bother -- to keep the 15GB worth of OneDrive storage, starting today you will see a big change in your account. On Thursday, Microsoft will begin shrinking your 15GB OneDrive free storage to 5GB, and also cancel the 15GB storage it gave you as part of camera roll backup bonus. For its part, Microsoft did warn about the changes to people a couple of times over the past few months. It all started when Microsoft gave Office 365 subscribers unlimited OneDrive storage space. Many people abused this, uploading over 75TB worth of movies and other files in some cases. BetaNews reports: If you log into your OneDrive account and find that you still have the full storage quota available, don't be lulled into a false sense of security. The cuts are actually being spread out between July 13 and July 27. Unless you opted out of the change, you're out of luck.
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If you offer unlimited storage and someone uploads 75TB worth of data, they are not abusing the service but taking advantage of your generous offer. If you don't want 75TB of data, set a lower limit.
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Offer unlimited storage, and when people upload 75TB worth of data it's abuse.
But presenting misleading alerts to trick people into installing Windows10, that's perfectly acceptable.
What I don't understand is:
a) Why windows 10 users haven't filed a class-action suit against Microsoft, and
b) Why the FTC hasn't dropped a hammer on Microsoft over this.
The FTC seems to be the only federal agency that actually tries to benefit the people. They should be pounding Microsoft into the ground over the misleading alerts and unwanted upgrades.
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The unwanted upgrades aren't related to the unlimited storage issue.
The FTC probably hasn't received complaints about the unlimited storage issue.
I think a lot of people would agree with your take on it, but I won't hold it against someone when something with reasonable intent becomes an onerous, unreasonable burden. Any rational person *knows* there is a point where "taking advantage of this generous offer" becomes "being a pain in the ass that breaks it for everyone" because they ruin the product's susta
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What comes to mind? (Score:3)
How many TB isn't abuse again?
Help me out.
Before I answer, can you give me what you think the definition of "unlimited" is?
Without looking it up, or asking or anything.
When you read the word "unlimited", what comes to mind?
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How many TB isn't abuse again?
Help me out.
Before I answer, can you give me what you think the definition of "unlimited" is?
Definition? Unlimited means absolutely nothing to me. It is one of those words like Ultra! Super! Grade A!, Jumbo! SuperSized! Maximum!
All just pointless undefined ad content marketing hyperbole that means absolutely nothing.
The very nature of the physics involved puta an absolute upper limit on the amount of data either by speed or storage capacity.
Without looking it up, or asking or anything.
When you read the word "unlimited", what comes to mind?
That I'm being played at best, and more likely plain lied to. I don't care because I know that people lie a lot, and believe that other people are stupid.
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> Definition? Unlimited means absolutely nothing to me. It is one of those words like Ultra! Super! Grade A!, > Jumbo! SuperSized! Maximum!
Ok, let's not focus too much on what you personally know. You can look it up in a book, perhaps even online. Then you'll know what the word means.
Because words have static meanings, never to be changed. That's why we all speak olde English. Getrowe mn heorðgenat?
Let me turn it around; when I saw you can store 10GB on my server, how many GB is that? What if I offer you 10,000GB? How about 10,000TB? 1,000,000PB? Is there some point where you give up treating it as something tangible that's part of a contract, and start treating it as something it's acceptable to lie about? Does the same principle apply to bandwidth, contract length etc? And if so, why? And do you think that it's better for consumers if companies, having stated this or that limit, were forced to stick to them, with some consequences for lying?
What I think, and what I believe, is that many companies are not at all truthful, and since people allowed the first incorrect instances of "unlimited" to pass by some years ago, the word altered over time, to become something like Scotch tape, or Xerox copy. Something that every one refers to even though it might not be made by the companies they are referring to.
And since unlimite
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My answer (Score:5, Insightful)
How many TB isn't abuse again?
Okay, here's my answer.
It's Microsoft's blame-throwing that annoys me.
If they came out and said "we can't support unlimited as planned, we have to switch to fixed limits", then everyone would understand. A well-meaning policy turned out to be unworkable, no biggie.
Instead, they say "we do this because of user abuse", then they're putting the blame on the users, and shows contempt.
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Let's add to that.
Offer unlimited storage, and when people upload 75TB worth of data it's abuse.
But presenting misleading alerts to trick people into installing Windows10, that's perfectly acceptable.
What I don't understand is:
a) Why windows 10 users haven't filed a class-action suit against Microsoft.
The unlimited data thing has been around for so long that the meaning of the word has changed. Just like an unlimited data plan for some mobile phone company I heard. They plainly state that the Unlimited plan means the first 6 gigs are at 4G, and everything after that is 2G. Which is to say - darn near unusable. Microsoft OneDrive gives people a lot of storage until it doesn't any more.
That first hit is always free. And the people who would use OneDrive should know that's just how it works. My cloud sits
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They'll be able to point to how Apple has done with with both OSX (not always forced) and iOS (forced
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They should be pounding Microsoft into the ground over the misleading alerts and unwanted upgrades.
They are missing a burden of proof. Microsoft can happily show stats of people who purchased Windows 10, are running Windows 10 without issues (there's a feedback option), the trial program they have for it, and their statistics also show that people are using Windows 7 despite being part of the free Windows 10 upgrade, and that there's an option to downgrade.
With all of this in place the FTC basically don't have a chance.
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When something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I hope rational people will realize that if too many people abuse the system like this, the rules will get changed for the worse for everyone.
Maybe I'm just weird.
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You are. It's false advertising to say it's unlimited, and then get upset when people use it in the manner which it was advertised.
If they wanted a cap of, say, 5 TB, they should have said it has a 5 TB cap. Not too hard to do.
Many people who use cloud services have no idea what a byte, Giga, or Tera is. So you'd have to edumacate them before they had an idea what that means. And those folks would think that Unlimited means infinite, and as long as they could retreive their midget shemale scat porn, it's all good.
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In quite a few "unlimited" plans I've seen there is fine print in the user agreement that specifies "reasonable" use, which can be just as meaningless, although Skype (and others) actually put a metric on it. I recall "unlimited" being defined as something like 10 hours per day or X number of calls to N different numbers in T amount of time. (Not sure if this is still the case.)
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Because we are humans and not machines and, as such, we are capable of understanding limiting principles that are fuzzy and imprecise. Moreover, in many cases we prefer such fuzzy limits because in most cases it's much less effort to rely on them than to expend the intellectual effort to precisely quantify the limits. Besides being a pain to draft, communicate and clarify, precise language creates two additional negative effects: first it displaces the existing fuzzy limits, which can actually lead to less
Re:Abuse? (Score:4, Insightful)
No it is abuse.
It is like going to an all you can eat restaurant stay there for the whole day and eat all your meals there.
Or just swiping all the pennies in the give a penny take a penny bin....
In general when you have a free service. You should be grateful that it is free, and use it respecting all the other users. Storage is about $0.25 a gig (Assuming redundant drives) So that 75TB is about $18,000 worth of space for your free service. So for a company who has to share for a lot of people. They expect to spend a few bucks per user. However abuse is pushing past that amount.
There really isn't a justification for being a dick
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That in NO WAY reflects the reality of humanity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] You are preaching an unrealistic ideal. The biggest problem here is allowing MS to use the word 'unlimited'. That word simply should not be allowed in marketing material. If you cant offer something truly unlimited then you cant use the word in your marketing. I put the burden on on the professio
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Storage is about $0.25 a gig (Assuming redundant drives) So that 75TB is about $18,000 worth of space for your free service.
You think Microsoft is paying $125 each for a bunch of 1 TB hard drives? 8 TB hard drives sell for $500-600, and I'm sure Microsoft is paying less than that when they buy hundreds of them at a time. Even if they're doing full mirroring instead of something like RAID-6, you're off by a factor of 2.
Re:Abuse? (Score:4, Funny)
But I embbed my videos in MS Office documents!
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Microsoft already set a pretty low bar with Windows ME and Vista.
ME was unforgiveable. But Vista worked quite well with extra hardware like a quad-core processor and 4GB or more of RAM. Since I originally built my system for Vista, I had no problems running Windows 10.
Re:Abuse? (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft already set a pretty low bar with Windows ME and Vista.
ME was unforgiveable. But Vista worked quite well with extra hardware like a quad-core processor and 4GB or more of RAM. Since I originally built my system for Vista, I had no problems running Windows 10.
Tell me how well Vista worked with all of the peripherals it made instantly obsolete. I remember a group that over my loud objections, forced me to upgrade them to Vista. Then my favorite moment was announcing to them that they just bought themselves a slew of new printers and scanners.
Vista eventually worked okay after the wide path of distruction it caused and nonfunctional machines it left from Vista Basic certified were buried.
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Tell me how well Vista worked with all of the peripherals it made instantly obsolete.
I've never experienced that problem at home. Many of the Fortune 500 companies I've worked at in IT support ran Windows XP until Windows 7 came out. Vista in the workplace was a non-issue.
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I got rid of it, by finally realizing that there isn't anything I do in Windows that I can't do in linux. All of the dev tools (java/android/git) I use are available on linux. capable office suites are available, I finally made the switch and now get no more nags from Microsoft. I also took the opportunity to upgrade the laptop with a SSD and my boot time from cold power off state is about 12 seconds!
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When I saw how fast my SSD equipped laptop booted Linux Mint, I added a small SSD to my desktop, set it up as the boot partition, and now get super-fast booting there too.
You're right in many cases about Linux doing anything Windows can. For me the last reason to boot Windows had been scanning and OCR. But that's pretty much been solved too, with xsane, Tesseract, and a couple of decent front ends.
I recognize that some mission-critical applications run only on Windows (and Wine is really not an answer in nu
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The sale of external hard drives, thumb drives, and sd cards are expected to skyrocket.
Skyrocket? Yeah right.
If the process isn't happening automagically for the end user, they won't back up their data. Copying files to external sources would actually take effort. Fuck that.
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I had a co-worker come over to my desk and ask me what the heck he could do with this big external drive someone gave him. I said, well, backup, and he went away disappointed.
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I think it was just a shot in the dark, hoping it was useful in some way that he had not imagined. Nope, just a giant version of a thumb drive...
To be fair, some of them are networkable and have some degree of usefulness.
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He was hoping OP had a giant p0rn stash to share.
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What is a... desktop? :)
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A device housing a computer which allows people to get their work done rather than fiddling with something which sits in their lap.
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Well, clearly they should call that a laptop.
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Well, clearly they should call that a laptop.
Haha. That's very logical.
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At least MS lets you put external storage into your devices. Not like Apple and Google with their iPad/iPhone and Nexus devices.
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So it begins... (Score:5, Insightful)
actually, I'm OK with either... (Score:2)
Q: Is a pirate terrorist a pirate that terrorizes people or someone that terrorizes pirates?
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What's so funny about this is that the short-sighted penny pinchers who are always howling about IT spending are the FIRST ones to flock to the cloud with this mistaken idea of how cheap and free the cloud is.
Worse, I work for a SMB IT consultancy and our sales people gleefully sell cloud services (managed by someone else, not us) to these same customers when it's not even cheaper TCO over 4 years and without realizing that they are selling out the bedrock of their own business. And it's not even like the
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Sad to say, for 99% of the real world, IT is not a revenue generator; its an infrastructural cost. If/when cloud providers can provide a lower TCO at acceptable reliability/flexibility, there's no reason to prefer buying new hardware every few years and pay employee salaries to keep the hardware working.
Cloud computing is a godsend for upper management, who now don't need to know much about computer issues to enjoy its benefits. Its also probably the most cost-effective way to diversify security costs ove
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Some opt to pay rent knowingly and willingly. If your job does not have steady predictable minimum income stream, you would be wise to rent a home/apartment, rather than owning. If you want to keep the option of taking a job anywhere in the country, again you would knowingly pay rent, rather than own.
Others are forced to rent knowingly and unwillingly. Usually poorer people without good credit history, they don't qualify for loans or
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What is it about paying rent people find so appealing?
Some of it is related to accounting. Actual storage is capital equipment whereas cloud storage is a service and gets reported/taxed in a different bucket I believe.
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Look at it this way: that service they will provide for a fee will also be more secure, because updating the cloud means not needing to patch every freaking machine you use, and not making the "community" vulnerable because of a few holdouts.
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Cloud and cloud, what is cloud? (Score:2)
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do these sound like the actions of a man whose had ALL he could eat?
-- kids, don't do Zoloft
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Uninstalled the app and haven't looked back (Score:4, Informative)
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BitTorrent Sync (Score:2)
I installed this on my Synology NAS, my computers, my iPhone, and my iPad. Haven't had any real problems with it at all. No more problems with space. I had dumped DropBox after they took some free space away from me and said that I never had it. The great thing about Sync is that since I mostly use it at home it's faster than other options because it doesn't depend on my Internet connection. But I can still connect to it if I'm out of the house.
It is slow on the iPhone and iPad to start up and make connecti
Worked out for me... (Score:2)
I was vaguely annoyed when I heard they were dropping from 15GB to 5GB since I had taken to storing music in OneDrive since I like the Groove interface a lot better than Google Play (especially the web interface), but when I went to manage my space it offered my a free year of Office 365 with 1TB of storage. I also have a free year from the Surface bundle I bought last year, so I'm good for a while.
But even after that expires, a one year subscription is $69.95, which is cheap compared to dropbox ($99 for 1
Re:Worked out for me... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Yes, because if you just buy a hard drive and put in in a drawer somewhere it will magically start working as a cloud storage service. I'm not saying if it's a fair price or not, but comparing a cloud storage service to the equivalent price of the storage they give you isn't really all that fair.
To start with, they would probably store it on at least 2 different devices to ensure that if the drive dies, that all your data isn't lost. So you're already up cheaper than the cost of the actual storage. Then th
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Actually, right now I'm paying $0/mo for storage since I got two years free. And even when that runs out I will be paying $7/mo for hosted storage, related services and a full office suite. For less than the two major competitors (Google and Dropbox) charge for less features (and again, no office suite).
I have plenty of storage at home (around 10TB usable) but OneDrive provides me convenience and backup. I suppose I could go through the trouble of installing something like OwnCloud, then configuring all
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It's was thrown in with a bundle of products I was buying anyways, so yes, my acquisition cost was zero. And my operational cost is also zero. Hence free.
We could get into a semantic argument of the meaning of the word free, and you could probably spout tanstaafl or some variant of the same argument, but let's just nip that in the bud because I was referring to the net budgetary impact.
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OneDrive is awesome for backups if you're a non-technical consumer. Even if it manages to somehow manage to lose some or all of your data, its still more likely to do a better job of backup than your grandmother (unless grandma indexes all her backups and gives you an alternate copy to store where you live. That's also assuming neither party lives with their mother...).
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Yes, and a bare drive is exactly the same as a geo-redundant storage service which provides automatic file versioning, media file indexing and streaming (including transcoding), document collaboration, platform integration with Windows devices (including the Xbox), ifft support, etc. Oh, and a full office suite for your browser, desktop, tablet and phone. Exactly the same.
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Wow, Western Digitial includes geo-redundant data centers with multiple backbone links with their consumer products now? And an office suite? Awesome!
Oh, it's just a non-redundant network drive with a remote access app that allows you to browse remotely (which is useful) but without streaming for anything but audio, no indexing, no versioning, no collaboration, no transcoding, no option for encryption at rest, no IFTTT channel, etc. And of course no office suite.
Certainly a good option for sensitive info
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Yeah, using off-site and off-device storage as backup is daft. What was I thinking?
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Extinguish (Score:2)
Yes, I know it really has to do with technologies and acquired businesses; but "Extinguish" is what is being done to Users' personal data that they foolishly entrusted to Microsoft's pseudo-largesse.
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I see it as a win-win. Microsoft somehow makes a significant increase in profit from this move, and customers learn what it means to "trust" either Microsoft or Google (or Amazon or IBM, ad nauseum...)
But why so small? 5GB? (Score:2)
So they complain about abusers uploading 75TB, but then chops everyone down to a measly 5GB? That's ludicrous. 5GB is 1/15000th of 75 TB.
And I got 15 gigs (Still measly) when I bought my Windows Phone, and they are chopping that down to 5GB as well.
I'm done with OneDrive. Pulled off all my stuff and put it on my Google Drive which still is 15GB. (Of which I'm only using 2.5 GB) I've got 10 TB on my network at home, really don't need these third party services. I'm not a typical use case, I know, but it's st
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Hard drives are CHEAP, so are USB flash drives (Score:4, Insightful)
Surely they won't hurt us again this time, let's try Cloud storage again!
*Bangs head against wall repeatedly*
People, you just don't get it. 'The Cloud' is a meme; it's a ruse; IT'S A TRAP. It's only two steps away from being Ransomware: 'Pay up or your data is TOAST'.
External hard drives are cheap and reliable. So are huge USB flash drives, both in nice fast USB3. Buy two for your most sensitive data and make two copies, just in case. Really, honestly, seriously, how difficult is this?
It's too big, too bulky, too confusing, why should I pay for anything?
Get a microSD card and a tiny USB adapter. Fits nicely in your wallet or purse. USB HDD's are smaller than a pack of cigarettes. Even huge, normal USB flash drives are tiny now, and they're all cheap, cheap, cheap. Meanwhile 'cloud' providers keep playing shell games with your data, losing it, getting hacked, going out of business and telling you 'tough luck', and likely snooping into your data regardless of anything they tell you to the contrary. Come on, people, why do you keep punishing yourselves this way? Did you do something bad in a previous life or something?
Please, please,, people: Stop with the 'cloud' nonsense already. You're just hurting yourselves.
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Too bad firefox has done a great job of burning all that good will in the tech industry and pissing off the people that they want to use their product. Notice how much their marketshare has dropped in the last ~5 years?
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Precisely.
Fortunately, it's still possible to get and use forks of Firefox from before Mozilla started ruining it.
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If you think unlimited *isn't* infinite, then what is it?
Microsoft's poor word choice is their fault, not anyone else's.
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If you think unlimited *isn't* infinite, then what is it?
Microsoft's poor word choice is their fault, not anyone else's.
Do you think that there is a remote possibility of storing infinite data and passing it off at infinite speeds anywhere?
Remember that your definition requires all functions to be infinite, because if you don't have infinite transmission speed and infinite processing power, it is impossible to have infinite storage. So Microsoft and all other providers are lying, and the use of the word unlimited ends up meaning nothing in any case.
If you are going to go all pedantic over a now long obsolete definition
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Obsessive pedantic nerds use language in a different way than normal people. English is not a programming language. Most normal people understand that "unlimited" means "but don't be a dick".
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Yes, you can Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
Wait, so companies just get to lie and it's OK? "Unlimited" means unlimited. As in no limit to the amount of storage you use. To argue otherwise is odd.
No, that's abuse and you're a jackass.
If a restaurant offered "unlimited bread sticks" without the usual stipulation that it's just for people who bought food, then it's not abuse at all to bring 30 of your friends in to chow down so long as it's allowed by the terms the restaurant set. It's being a jackass, yes, but not an abuse.
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Yes, you can Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
Wait, so companies just get to lie and it's OK? "Unlimited" means unlimited. As in no limit to the amount of storage you use. To argue otherwise is odd.
No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
Unlimited by now is just more ad copy hype, and means pretty much nothing at all. The closest it ever gets to your meaning is that people don't expect to ever be told they've exceed a limit. Microsoft is powerful, but they cannot bypass the laws of physics.
Or maybe Platinum Ultra Super Unlimited will signal when we hit infinity.
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No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
"Unlimited" as a marketing term has nothing to do with physical, rational, nor societal constraints.
It merely means that the purveyor will not impose artificial, arbitrary limits upon what each user can "use".
Of course there will still be limits (total drive space MS has dedicated to the task, network speed, etc.); but those are outside of a marketing "promise" of "Unlimited".
When Olive Garden says "Unlimited Breadsticks", it is understood that they will not "artificially" decide when enough is enough
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No, its that you are using a definition of unlimited that is not constrained by physics. Your definition is unlimited means infinite.
"Unlimited" as a marketing term has nothing to do with physical, rational, nor societal constraints.
It merely means that the purveyor will not impose artificial, arbitrary limits upon what each user can "use".
Your level of naivety is either unlimited by your definition, or infinite, by mine.
Do you remember the old Peanuts comic strip? Lucy would entice Charlie Brown into kicking a football, and every time pulling it way at the last second - he'd fall over. But he'd always fall for it.
How many times do you Charlie Browns have to fall for the same "Unlimited" hype before you realize it doesn't matter one little tiny infinitesimal bit what you think it means?
Unlimited cloud storage now means you can store
Re:Abused? (Score:4, Insightful)
Unlimited cloud storage now means you can store stuff until they decide that they are done letting you store any more of your stuff.
So, you think that "Unlimited" means "Unlimited until we say you've reached our limit of Unlimited", right?
So, "Unlimited" for certain values of "Unlimited"?
I certainly agree that storing 75 TB of data in their "Unlimited" storage is supremely asshat-ish; but that doesn't mean that they violated (or even "abused") the limits of "Unlimited".
Microsoft said one thing, and have been lying to so many people for so long, that they apparently never bothered to figure out that some people would actually take them at their "word".
Pretty stupid for a corporation with enough lawyers on staff to form a small Army, and which feels fit to require EULAs for the most trivial of software packages that have more words in them than the AT&T Divestiture Decree [beatriceco.com].
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If a restaurant offered "unlimited bread sticks" without the usual stipulation that it's just for people who bought food, then it's not abuse at all to bring 30 of your friends in to chow down so long as it's allowed by the terms the restaurant set. It's being a jackass, yes, but not an abuse.
How is "being a jackass" different from "abuse"?
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Yes, you can abuse something that it 'unlimited'. Unlimited in cases like this doesn't mean 'infinite', and no reasonable person would think it did.
That last part, "reasonable person" is the big clue. Too many have no idea, nor any intention of learning what it means. It was just like when my kid still lived at home, every time U upgraded my internt speed, it always seemd just as slow and even slower. . Then I started monitoring his data use. He just downloaded and torrented more. So he got a throttle on his connection in the end.
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Yes, unlimited means infinite. If you offer me something without setting a limit, I do (sensibly) assume that I can use as much of it as I deem fit.
Offering something like online storage space in unlimited quantity is STUPID. Because as anyone knows, data will expand to fill the available storage. Anyone who at least dabbled in anything data related knows that.
Makes me wonder why Microsoft didn't know that.
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Actually, sharing the content is one of the key reasons why I would want to store something off site.
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A USB stick doesn't do you any good when its left at home and you're away. It also doesn't do you any good when it burns along with your house in a fire.