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Opera Founder Opens Up About New Vivaldi Browser (networkworld.com) 73

alphadogg writes: Since the days of Mosaic in the early 1990s, Jon von Tetzchner has been working on web browsers. He is one of the creators of Opera, the alternative browser that's been a power-user favorite since 1995. His new project, Vivaldi, is heading for its first stable release. Network World sat down with von Tetzchner on Thursday to talk about Vivaldi and Opera at the Innovation House, a related venture of his.
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Opera Founder Opens Up About New Vivaldi Browser

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  • Isn't North Korea buying Opera?

  • by sims 2 ( 994794 ) on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:09PM (#51544229)

    Is it going to look like chrome or edge?

    It really is ok if every browser doesn't look exactly like every other browser.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:34PM (#51544389)

      I've been using Vivaldi for a while now. Its UI isn't as nice as Opera's (I mean the real Opera, not the shitty recent releases) was, but it's a lot more usable than Firefox's or Chrome's or Edge's or new Opera's UIs are.

      There's a real status bar. You can put the tabs on any side. It can easily show the full URL. The preferences dialog is well organized and allows for a lot of customization. I haven't had problems using major Chrome extensions with it. It's reasonably fast.

      Despite being so new, it kicks the living shit out of Firefox, as far as I'm concerned!

      Vivaldi is a browser that empowers me, and lets me define the web experience that I want. It's not made by snotfaced hipster's pushing their "opinionated", and totally wrong, ideas on me without my consent. Firefox is a browser that shits in my mouth and makes me swallow, even when I've told them repeatedly I don't want to do that. I trust Vivaldi a lot more than I trust Chrome, too.

      My only complaint about Vivaldi is that it isn't open source. But I can overlook that because it's so much better than Firefox, and it's better than Chrome and Edge, too.

      Vivaldi is the first positive thing that has happened to the web in a very, very long time.

      • by Gort65 ( 1464371 )

        Firefox is a browser that shits in my mouth and makes me swallow, even when I've told them repeatedly I don't want to do that.

        Seems like your Firefox has picked up some malware during your visits to the nether regions of the Internet. ;)

        As for Vivaldi, I'm one who regularly tries it out (it's one of my secondary browsers). I wouldn't go as far as you about Vivaldi's quality, and I certainly don't believe it "shits" on Firefox (at least not to that extent), but I do think it's improved since every snapshot a

      • My only complaint about Vivaldi is that it isn't open source.

        A browser impossible to check for backdoors? Sorry, no.

    • I originally went to opera because of tabbed browsing with more advanced features accessible but out of site on a simple interface and a built in pop-up blocker. Something none of the other browsers where doing at the time but do now.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I use it on OS X. It's great except for its proxy support. It uses the OS X systemwide proxy settings. But I don't want to use my SOCKS5 ad filtering proxy for all apps, just Vivaldi. Firefox does this right because it has its own independent proxy config that doesn't mess up other apps. I wish Vivaldi had its own separate config, too.

    • It's a much more heavyweight, power user friendly browser when it comes to UI. Take a few minutes to learn the hotkeys and advanced features and it's a much more productive browser than Chrome.

      Sometimes simplicity can (somewhat non-intuitively) impede productivity, and this idea is what Vivaldi is built around. I'm not saying it's clunky, it's very well designed, but it's also full of useful power user centric features that are easy to access and not hidden in layers of "advanced settings" menus.

      • Intuitive (Score:5, Funny)

        by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) on Friday February 19, 2016 @07:05PM (#51545121) Homepage Journal

        Sometimes simplicity can (somewhat non-intuitively) impede productivity

        It's not non-intuitive at all.

        Simplicity is great for two classes of users: power users who don't want to be power users of that particular segment of tech, and the broad swath of droolers out there. That's by far the largest chunk of market. Their version of productivity is "do the average thing without being bothered by anything." So for them, simplicity is productive.

        Unfortunately, that leaves power users who do want, or even might need, sophisticated features, without the tools they need to be specifically productive. And it leads to the kind of brain-dead thinking that gives us "features" like hiding the URL and just showing the domain, non-standard (and broken) buttons because "oh, pretty", UI elements that migrate like addled geese, not to mention just up and disappear...


    • The Vivaldi interface is very customizable, like Opera Presto. E.g., I have my tabs on the side -- ideal for a wide-screen resolution, IMHO.

  • One of the most missed features from oldpera is the links page. So, you'd find a page with a bunch of links to files you want, you'd press ctrl+shift+l, filter by file extension and it would let you download them at once. It was like the downthemall! extension for Firefox, but much more powerful. I wonder if they even remember they had that feature.
    • by allo ( 1728082 )

      Ask them. They have a public bugreport form (though no public bts) and they read the comments on their blog (and in their forum).

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday February 19, 2016 @07:36PM (#51545369)

    I am still on Opera 12.x because the one glaring thing the beta Vivaldi is missing is bookmarks than can be accessed easily. Having to click open the bookmark-sidebar, selecting the link and then having to click the sidebar close again is just not acceptable. Other than that, Vivaldi was fine in beta and I will be moving to it as soon as the bookmarks work well.

    • by Lakitu ( 136170 )

      there's a bookmarks "tab" on the new tab page, up at the top: Speed dial, +, Bookmarks, History. Clicking on those lets you view your history or bookmarks in that tab similar to the opera:history and opera:bookmarks pages used to


      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        I don't have that. Must have been added later. Thanks, I will take a look.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Ah, no. That does not cut it. Double-click to open a sub-folder? Not really. Since Opera has just released 12.18 as security update, I will stay with it a while longer.

          And seriously, how can they mess up or not prioritize something as central as bookmarks in Vivaldi?

  • Old Opera (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 19, 2016 @10:26PM (#51546301)

    Today, the only browser trying to be Opera is otter-browser.org

  • Thanks to Mozilla trying so hard to make something not Chrome like into a Chrome copy i have now moved to a browser which, while fully Chromium tries hard to be different than Chromium. Quite ironic :D

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