Vintage Collection of Tech Failures 160
StormDriver writes "For every good design there are a dozen failed concepts. Nothing illustrates that better than a great online vintage gadget collection, published yesterday by the Microsoft Research team. The collection is a brainchild of Bill Buxton, one of the principal Microsoft researchers, a guy who's been through 30 years of continuous tech design. Awarded with three honorary doctorates and several professional awards, Bill also likes to gather things – the vintage, geeky kind of things, to be precise. Over the years, he has gathered an impressive collection of prototypes, probably the best I have seen online."
17 pencils (Score:2)
I’m actually surprised stuff like the Seiko Data-2000 (http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/bibuxton/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=235) hasn’t come back! People could twitter even more effectively if they didn’t even have to pull the phone out of their pocket! Facebook status could be kept to near real time!
All kidding aside, this was kind of one of my geek fantasies having a house that you could control with something like this. I envisioned myself walking around my house tapp
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I wouldn't even want to automate the lights or the coffee pot. It's trivially easy to flick a switch when you enter/leave a room, and it's also easy to prepare the coffee, and do something else (fix a sandwich, use the bathroom, comb your hair), while it is busy. The advantage is that the coffee is guaranteed to be fresh and hot, exactly when you need it, even when I decide to snooze for an extra 15 minutes.
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I have my lights set up to gradually fade on about 10 minutes before my alarm goes off. Beyond this and possibly having lights go on/off for home security ... there really isn't much point. Having motion sensors turn lights on when you walk in/out is cool for about 10 minutes .. when it even works (and doesn't require you wave an arm around every once in a while while in the room).
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Forgot to add:
Automated coffee maker... need that. I'm one of those guys with the IQ of a house plant up until about 10am. If I tried to make coffee in the morning, assuming I somehow mustered the ambition, I'd probably boil my keys and put the coffee grounds in my pocket or something.
Re:17 pencils (Score:5, Funny)
The lights in my office at my last job were on a motion sensor. Let me tell you, the office of a computer professional is about the worst place for motion activated lights: ::tap tap click tap tap {light out} {sigh} {wave at sensor} ... tap tap tap tap {lights out} {sigh}...::
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If only the security/automation could be programmed to talk -- a portal/portal 2 sound pack would be awesome.
"Target lost.. Are you still there?" from the sentry bots.. 30 seconds before the lights power off due to inactivity.
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I think the best is when a room full of university students taking an exam abruptly find themselves sitting in the dark when the lights time out. Since no one knows where the motion sensor is to wave at it, you find everyone including the professor wildly flailing their arms around for a moment.
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Sometimes the zeal to go green, however well intentioned, can be a real pain in the ass.
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I thought about that, but waving at the sensor occasionally seemed less annoying than having a fan blowing crap all over my office. Other than a ceiling fan set low, I've never been much of a fan of fans (ha ha).
Re:17 pencils (Score:5, Funny)
"...a fan blowing crap all over my office."
That should only happen when the shit hits the fan.
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OK, you win, that's a lot worse than my story.
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I wouldn't even want to automate the lights or the coffee pot. It's trivially easy to flick a switch when you enter/leave a room, and it's also easy to prepare the coffee, and do something else (fix a sandwich, use the bathroom, comb your hair), while it is busy. The advantage is that the coffee is guaranteed to be fresh and hot, exactly when you need it, even when I decide to snooze for an extra 15 minutes.
That's why I use MisterHouse, to turn the lights off when the kids leave the room and forget. The way snoozing is handled is motion sensors. The motion sensing is also adaptive based on time (get a signal at 1am? Stay dark until switch is hit; on the other hand, get a signal within an hour after "wake up time" and then ...)
Also my motion sensing security lights, and a few other things, adapt their schedule to the changing sunrise / sunset times. Its not as trivial to flick lights on and off when carryin
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Particularly if they're CFLs, which die fast if you keep turning them on and off for short periods.
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How much energy do the motion sensors and computer use compared to the lights? I applaud the geekiness, but it doesn't seem as energy efficient (assuming that is the goal).
No, that's not the goal at all. Energy efficiency would be intelligent rather than traditional architecture, and sleeping whenever its dark. Then no lights are needed.
The computer use is zero. Its a server that must remain powered for file server use and email server use and DHCP . .. etc etc etc. I suppose theoretically the microscopic computational load is equivalent to milliwatts of added heat, which is actually a year-round net bonus in this climate.
The sensors round down to zero, compared to the en
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10 lines of Perl, plus installing the hardware, and rewiring the lights, you mean ?
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Congrats, all you've managed to do is teach your kids that they don't need to turn off the lights when they leave a room.
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At work there are several basins in each rest room. The faucets on all but one basin in each rest room detect (if you're lucky) your hands and turn the water on/off automatically. The remaining faucet has a conventional 'single lever' control (giving you the added benefit of being able to actually adjust the temperature) which you turn on/off manually (I assume this is for handicapped usage but don't know).
I usually use the automatic faucets, but if there are others using the basins I will en
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A very awesome solution to a problem that never existed!
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I'm seriously thinking of working on a phone app that tells my sound system where I am in the house and switches speakers appropriately. Downside is that it would use battery power in the "off" state. Upside is always being where the music is. And yes, Bill Gates had this done to his house a couple of decades ago.
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http://www.metawatch.org/ [metawatch.org]
https://estore.ti.com/MSP-WDS430BT2000D-Bluetooth-Wearable-Watch-development-system-with-Digital-display--P2447C42.aspx [ti.com]
https://estore.ti.com/MSP-WDS430BT1000AD-Bluetooth-Wearable-Watch-development-system-with-Analog-Digital-display--P2446.aspx [ti.com]
Seems like a neat toy to me.
Maybe missing some context? (Score:1)
Look at the collection and then try and convince me that our slow rate of progress is due to a lack of technology rather than a lack of imagination.
What the hell does that even mean? Slow rate of progress? Lack of imagination? I'm sure it was beautiful in his head but that thought didn't cross out into the real world all that intact.
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Look at the collection and then try and convince me that our slow rate of progress is due to a lack of technology rather than a lack of imagination.
What the hell does that even mean? Slow rate of progress? Lack of imagination? I'm sure it was beautiful in his head but that thought didn't cross out into the real world all that intact.
Ah HAH! Begging the question! Finally, I have a chance to say "this is what begging the question is"... What slow rate of progress was he talking about? The one where we went from a cd jukebox that was 30 lbs and held 1,000 songs, to a mp3 jukebox that is .3 lbs and holds 10,000 songs in the span of about 10 years? Not fast enough for you, old timer?
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The CD was first sold 1982. The IBM PC-compatible iPod, the first popular MP3 player, was not released until 2002. So twenty years, which is pretty long time to wait.
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CD != CD Jukebox... You missed the point. Try again.
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And in 1990, the basic multi-changer was a plastic cartridge type device that you loaded with 5/7/10 CDs and then inserted it into the unit. Very similar to the modern units that you install in the car. There were also designs around 1990 that let you put a few dozen (hundred?) into a unit that fit on your A/V shelf. Those systems cost an awful lot.
For a modern version that fits on an A/V shelf, look for the Sony CDP CX355, which holds 300 C
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Look at when the mouse was invented. We switched from ball to optical/laser, one button to a few more, but the principle of the interface is, in general, the same. That was what, 35ish years ago? Keyboards are much older than that. That's the kind of thing he was taking about.
Nonetheless, the statement doesn't seem to show much in parallel with his gallery, which shows a lot of creativity at performing a task within the scope of a given amount of technology.
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Sorry to be a nit-picker, but the original mouse had 3 buttons, and was invented 50ish years ago. The one button mouse concept was an Apple idea, and that was 35ish years ago.
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Actually, I was thinking earlier mice were two button - I didn't realize they were 3 buttons. I knew the reduction to 1 was an apple thing.
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It's a code. Using Google Translator, I took it from Portuguese to Afrikaans to Azerbaijani, Vietnamese, Chinese, Latin and back to English, and suddenly it all becam clear:
"To abuse it and I shall manage the more slowly than the degree of progress is the lack of the imagination, not technical it is attached. "
Hope that helps.
So where is the Zune in that list ? (Score:2)
You know, that music "decision" engine ?
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You are right. I have never used a Zune. I have never really wanted to.
Reasons:
Have you ever heard about that curious thing called "Play Anywhere" (except a Zune) ?
How much will Microsoft charge for upgrades?
However, I have used ipod, ipad, and itunes. You say it is horrible, but you lack specificity.
If you say horrible means "Makes it really easy to get access to a large amount of reasonably priced music"
then I might agree with you.
Re:So where is the Zune in that list ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Most advanced linux users do really think that Windows 7 is unstable and slow. It's slow because they run it on 15 year old hardware.
They expect old hardware to run a modern system because their modern system can run on old hardware.
A Dozen? (Score:5, Funny)
For every good design there are a dozen failed concepts
We're at Windows 7. Only 5 more to go!
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No, Windows 7 will suffice. Those who were involved with its "design" should be taken out back and beaten together until they are bloody pulp.
There are simply too many "design" issues to list here, but the overall point I'm trying to make is it sucks. Badly. It's almost as if Microsoft was trying to make it impossible to perform the simplest takes.
I want to say that people who "designed" this crap had never heard of UI testing or the KISS principle, but for what they get paid, I find that hard to believe.
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I don't know about my grandma' but my 4 years old daughter is pretty proficient with lubuntu: play media (pocoyo and stuff) from a home NAS, browse her favorite (with marquee plug-in) children game sites, change the look&feel... all this in a pretty old Dell P4 box with 256MB, 20GB and Hello Kitty stickers that took me 30 minutes to clean (it had an old W2K install), install and configure. So yes, it's simpler, more intuitive and closer to people.
BTW, who runs gedit from the CLI? Damn Microsoft fan-boyz
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On a positive note, my four year old daughter knows her way around Ubuntu as well. She even knows how to logon with her own username and password. Anyone have anecdotal evidence that preschool aged boys can use Ubuntu or is it just girls?
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I don't know about my grandma
If she's anything like my grandpa, she probably refuses to give up VAX/VMS.
smart pen, a failure? (Score:2)
Gah! I've been wanting one of these for a long time. Actually, I can't figure out why a mouse beat out something like this: I mean, schools dropping handwriting is stupid, but that being a reason for this being a failure is equally stupid.
Pop quiz: how many here have had to create an electronic signature with a mouse? Or have signed documents, and then sent the jpg of the signed doc?
Or, for that matter, wanted to draw or trace something in, say, Gimp?
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As they mentioned in the entry: writing tablets. A cheap bamboo tablet (you can get these in the sub $100 range) gives you most of the same functionality.
I'm all for the death of handwriting and specifically signatures. Won't happen for a few generations, but damnit, MY CHILDRENS CHILDREN WILL HAVE THE PAPERLESS OFFICE!!!
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I rock the used serial wacom, at $10 it rules.
But spit out what kind of tablet you're using or I don't believe you.
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Monoprice [monoprice.com] has numerous ones.
Even ones with buttons [monoprice.com]
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Ugh, batteries. Batteries in styluses are stupid.
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yea really, in wacoms its just a coil to monkey the RF, KISS
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I once bought one of those "generic" tablets; it simply did not work on OSX, despite having the drivers for it. Eventually got a Wacom, cost more but works flawlessly.
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Pop quiz: how many here have had to create an electronic signature with a mouse?
The crypto program wanted me to generate some "entropy" by jiggling the mouse. Does that count?
Optimization (Score:2)
Actually, I can't figure out why a mouse beat out something like this: I mean, schools dropping handwriting is stupid, but that being a reason for this being a failure is equally stupid.
Mice are cheaper to make and work very well as a pointing device. A pen serves both as a pointing device and data input device, but does neither exceptionally well for many uses. A pen/styles was designed for a different technology (paper) which works very well but is not (usually) better as a pointing device for a computer, nor is it (usually) better for (non-math) data entry than a keyboard. Computers use two devices which are individually better at certain tasks than a pen/stylus when the interface is
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I bought a Nokia N900 (resistive touchscreen with stylus) and use the stylus all the time when playing games and stuff.
Much better than using fingers.
Orbitouch (Score:3)
Why do I sense a large number of Slashdot users hitting up eBay and Craigslist looking for number 5?
phah! (Score:4, Insightful)
Hey, whatever happened to their
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It was ahead of its time.
QR Codes [wikipedia.org] are starting to pop up near everywhere. You just need a smartphone. I love them. No more having to punch in a URL when I'm reading the paper, if I'm interested in an Ad, I just take a picture of it.
You can also make your own. [appspot.com] Put your 'business card' on the back of your business card and save people from having to type it in. Numerous other uses.
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Hey, whatever happened to their :CRQ "audible URL" technology that was going to allow us to directly link tv advertisements for fine products to the web?
It became audio ID apps like Shazam.
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I still have mine. Found it in the closet the other day.
Not all failures (Score:1)
Re:Not all failures (Score:4, Insightful)
The /. headline is wrong - the iPod is on the list.
To you and all the other commenters complaining that great things like iPods and Etch-a-Sketches are on the list: you clicked the wrong link. Actually RTFS and you'll see that the links go to two separate lists, one of failures and one of successes. It would have taken you less time to read the relevant 3 word description of each link than it took you to click the wrong link, come back here and post a complaint, you know.
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Actually RTFS and you'll see that the links go to two separate lists, one of failures and one of successes.
Did you actually click on those two links? Click on the first link and you find the text of the summary in the first paragraph, along with the second link. So that means we have a choice between a blog entry about the Buxton collection and the Buxton collection itself.
So yes, the headline is wrong. This is not a list of failures, but of notable devices - some of which were commercially successful, but that was not the criteria for the collection.
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FrogPad (Score:4, Interesting)
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Looks like the company may be back in business, check their website.
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Frogpad is great! On a whim, I learned the right handed frogpad (left handed mouser), it takes some getting used to. I recommend practicing with any normal keyboard learning software. You won't get 40wpm but 30 is attainable. This was invaluable when I broke my wrist a few years later. None of that ping pong to each side of the keyboard.
There is a app for the iphone and I believe a new batch of these keyboards are on the way. If you are considering blue-tooth, be warned that although it uses USB to cha
Is slashdot represented on the list? (Score:1)
Etch-A-Sketch is a failure? (Score:1)
Liked the joystick and mouse collection (Score:2)
Left off some stuff:
- Amiga mouse (right side) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amiga500_system.jpg [wikipedia.org]
- C=64 mouse: http://www.virtualsky.net/iadoremyc64/gallery/1351_mouse.jpg [virtualsky.net]
- Atari joystick http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/01856/media/AtariJoystick.jpg [thinkquest.org]
- Epyx joystick http://mimg.ugo.com/201103/4/5/7/183754/epyx.jpg [ugo.com]
- Commodore joystick http://www.itwissen.info/bilder/commodore-joystick.png [itwissen.info]
- Atari Trakball http://a10.idata.over-blog.com/400x533/1/27/40/16/Joypads-divers/2600-trak-ball.jpg [over-blog.com]
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I'd also say he left off some newer stuff too.
I mean, the joystick as an input device, not joypad, joystick, has evolved significantly.
From leaf switches, to microswitches, then branching off between Euro style joysticks(Suzo brand), American style(Happ brand), Korean(Crown, etc), Japanese(Sanwa brand, etc)... then optical, then hall effect, inductive...
Not only that but hardy arcade quality parts are now showing up in Consumer goods! Finally!
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HP-01 Missing? I am disappointed. (Score:1)
LED Calculator watch. From 1977. Waterproof to 10 meters, and Magnetic-Field-Proof to 60 Gauss.
Sometimes I feel we're working backwards here.
Failed? (Score:4, Interesting)
The handeykey Twiddler is still in production and still used by many. It's a godsend to people with disabilities.
Frnaklin ebookman worked great for when it was viable. It's failure was that publishers were afraid of ebooks. it had good readability unti lthe Rex came about with a far better screen. Both were ahead of their time and only "failed" because of publishers.
A lot of that stuff were far from failures. they were designed for a specific task. the 3d mousing devices are STILL used to this day in high end 3d CAD.
I think the submitter needs to understand what "failed" means.
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I guess when your
Re:Failed? (Score:4, Insightful)
He's mostly using "failed" in the conventional marketdroid sense - they didn't fly off the shelves making the corporation manufacturing them and those investing in them buckets of cash.
That's true of many of the items in the collection.
He labels the overblown Swiss Army Knife [microsoft.com] as a bad design - while failing to consider the purpose of the design. (As a collectible/art piece, which he tacitly admits it was a success at.) The next knife down [microsoft.com] he's equally dismissive of. But he fails to consider that a) there are other methods of carrying (a belt pouch for example), or b) that there *are* people who constantly have something it will fit into handy (a photographer and his camera bag, a fisherman and his tackle box, etc..). The lowest knife [microsoft.com], which he praises, has so little functionality it's only real use is to be impressive to the guy in the next cubicle over because you're the Guy Who Always Has A Knife.
The same with the Nikon Coolpix 100 [microsoft.com]. He seems utterly unaware that there are a huge number of cameras out there... My little Canon A1200 [canon.com] has no extra chargers or cables either.
He praises the Olympic Memory Stick Thumb Drive [microsoft.com] - but take away the 'cool' packaging, and it's just another thumb drive. Maybe he keeps the 'cool' packaging as an art piece on his desk, but I suspect he's one of the few.
Overall Mr Buxton is really, really bad at evaluating the success or failure and the usefulness or not of many of the items he has in his collection.
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Perhaps, but my impression is he's not collecting them because they were successful or failures per se. He's collecting them because they're interesting. Honestly I think the real failure here is the submitter, whose only thought when he came across a gallery of 30 years worth of input devices was to point and gawk at the weird ones.
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Then why did he label so many of them as successes or failures, giving specific reasons why?
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I never said he wasn't labeling them as successes or failures, just that I don't think that's specifically the criteria he used for including them in his collection.
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Bad indeed. I am wearing my second CASIO Data Bank 150 calculator watch (my first one's mode button came off and battery signals blinking) and Kraft KC3 joystick (loved its splitter cable connector) was good when I used it during my Apple //c and early IBM days.
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Overall Mr Buxton is really, really bad at evaluating the success or failure and the usefulness or not of many of the items he has in his collection.
kat_skan is right.
There's actually two separate articles in this submission. Bill isn't judging the success or failure all the devices in the collection, so the headline doesn't fit. Chris, on the other hand, picks out 5 to make fun of.
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Overall Mr Buxton is really, really bad at evaluating the success or failure and the usefulness or not of many of the items he has in his collection.
Clearly why he fits right in at Microsoft.
Lots of great talent, but they never seem to know how to use it.
Failed != "Interesting, Useful, or Important" (Score:2)
I'd imagine a high percentage of the collection did fail in the marketplace, simply because there's no point adding a normal PC mouse, for example, to a collection. But neither is this a random collection of crappy failed products, which would be endless and not very valuable.
I have one of the products, a wireless keyb
Not sure failure is the right word. (Score:2)
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Overall Mr Buxton is really, really bad at evaluating the success or failure and the usefulness or not of many of the items he has in his collection.
Actually, his comments are not evaluating the success or failure of these devices, but rather whatever he notices about them.
There's actually two separate articles in this submission.
Bill Buxton's collection is simply a collection of interesting input devices he's gotten over the years. Yes, he makes comments on them, but it's mostly to show off something unique or special about it. Or about why he may or may not use it. Or maybe some history. It's just comments.
The other article, from some guy named Chris,
Bob (Score:2)
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FULL INCURSION (Score:2)
Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
I guess the list itself is a tech failure, and thus belongs on this list?
FULL INCURSION COMPLETE.
PivotViewer? (Score:1)
Anyone else look at the first page and think that "Experience in PivotViewer" was the first example of tech failures? I was looking all over the page for a "page 2" or "next" link.
strange... (Score:2)
Draw your own conclusions from that...
Warning: Server sucks in dealing with Firefox (Score:2)
What no Timex Datalink watch? (Score:2)
Self-referential: PivotViewer itself seems sucky. (Score:2)
If the point of the post is to showcase "PivotViewer," I am certainly unimpressed. After taking a long time to load, it presents me with a lot of baffling animated bling that fails to help me understand what he's getting at.
The original Mac "zoomrects" helped you understand intuitively that the window was another view of the same entity as the icon. A good example of using animation to clarify a UI abstraction. The little files with wings flying from folder to folder when you copy files in Windows is silly-
Horrible summary of a horrible blog post... (Score:2, Informative)
PXL2000? (Score:2)
Spectrum Ring Mouse thingy (Score:2)
I've had the white part of that Spectrum Ring Mouse thingy for a few years now. It was a pain trying to figure out what it was, as it only has "Spectrum" on it, and that that is a search nightmare.
Now i know what it is. Even got some pdf's for it.
woot!
still probably sit in the box it's in though...
Smartpen a failure? (Score:2)
There are a couple of really nice uses for one of these,
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To be fair, I trust Microsoft a little bit more than Paypal/Ebay. Although that isn't saying very much.
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**sob** Frakking insensitive clods...
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I second the statement that MS keyboards are junk.
But their mice on the other hand...
I own a Microsoft Intellimouse Optical (with scroll wheel and 2 side buttons) and cant find anything that is as good.
I dont want a fancy expensive mouse with 50 buttons and a laser bright enough to blind airline pilots.
I dont want a wireless mouse.
I dont want a tiny little laptop mouse.
I dont want a so-called "ergonomic" mouse.
All I want is a mouse that has a decent scroll wheel and a nice large pair of left and right side