GM Working On Interactive Windshields 307
this_boat_is_real writes "Rather than project info onto a portion of the windshield, GM's latest experiment uses the entire windshield as a display. Small ultraviolet lasers project data gleaned from sensors and cameras onto the glass. General Motors geeks are working alongside researchers from several universities to develop a system that integrates night vision, navigation and on-board cameras to improve our ability to see — and avoid — problems, particularly in adverse conditions like fog."
Tron-mode? (Score:2)
As in the movie, not the BASIC command. Seriously, that's what the mockup (I'm assuming it's a mockup) looks like...Tron-mode.
This has some real potential, I hope it isn't another bit of vaporware....
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Since it overlays the entire windshield, you wouldn't have to take your eyes off the road. If they had a small LCD that had video of the road with this superimposed over it, you would have to stop looking at the road and look at the screen, which would be dangerous for obvious reasons (not the least of which would be lag time..."objects in screen are closer than they appear", and all that.)
Then again, it would make windshield repairs quite costly...
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Actually GM already has this available in a HUD system on High End Models. They've combined Low-Light Camera's with IR Features that activate with the headlights. It's purpose is to provide a clearer veiw of what's in front of you during the night. Guess what, it works quite well and is one hell of a safety feature that I want on all cars.
Camaro? (Score:3, Funny)
Can I get these laser beams on a Camaro Shark?
Combine it with 3D glasses (Score:5, Funny)
"Wow, it's like those other cars are coming right towards me!"
I can't wait for Clippy (Score:5, Funny)
It looks like you are trying to crash.
Would you like to
( ) Buy more insurance
( ) Change your beneficiary
It gives new meaning to BSOD.
Combine it with a Microsoft car OS... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Combine it with a Microsoft car OS... (Score:5, Funny)
Combine it with a Linux car OS and you'll never see good drivers!
"Active Windshield" - what I want (Score:5, Interesting)
I live west of my place of employment, and the recent time change has given me it's yearly double-whammy. When you live west of where you work, it means that you're driving east in the morning to get there, and west in the evening to get home. Depending on start and stop times, it means that the sun can be right on the horizon, blinding you at both times. This happens for a few weeks each spring and fall, until the sun rises earlier and sets later, so that the visor can adequately and easily block it. Then time change comes, knocking the sun back down to the horizon.
I want an "active windshield" that knows where my eyeballs are, knows where the sun is, and blackens just the right spot (with a little margin, of course) to shade my eyes. Compared to that, any heads-up displays are secondary.
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I want an "active windshield" that knows where my eyeballs are, knows where the sun is, and blackens just the right spot (with a little margin, of course) to shade my eyes. Compared to that, any heads-up displays are secondary.
That's really *really* hard tech. Tracking the location of your eyeballs in 3D is very tricky, especially if you're wearing glasses, a brimmed hat, or anything similar that might confuse a visual identification system. You could have special glasses that identified your position (cf
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HUD (Score:2)
Its called a HUD (Heads Up Display) - jet fighters have had this sort of thing for a few decades.
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...and as installed in cars for at least 10 years .....
Really you can already buy or build a HUD for your car now ...
this is just :
a) built in
b) using the whole windscreen rather than a small part of it
How about first... (Score:2, Interesting)
Making "decent", efficiant, cars before working on further power drains.... I would love a car with a better alloy of steel, or even perhaps frames of aluminium bronze, with lightweight plastic coverings.... Immune to rusting out after five years.... And maybe a decent engine. Or go the path of Honda.... Build an electric car as you want it: the best motors, interior, etc, but instead of a ton of batteries, use a fuel cell to hold the energy in the form of quick to refuel hydrogen.... If a battery can ever
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Old news (Score:2, Informative)
and
Yeah, "could" appear "at some point." This is epic vaporware. Maybe spending millions researching cool gadgets and never bringing them to market is part of the reason GM went bankrupt.
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Now, now, GM never went bankrupt, and never declared that they were insolvent
what? [cnn.com]
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I don't believe the problem of safety is cars... (Score:2)
Its most importantly the roads and drivers.. Drivers being one of the hardest things to fix but roads being the expensive thing to fix. Some roads are great, but some are destined to claim the lives of hundreds of people over the life span of the road.
What i don't get, is why we don't engineer our roads to be safer? If you build a road between a valley and there are 100 deer accidents a year, don't you think it would have been better to have built a raised road so the deer can go under the road and thro
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..Roads are cheap in contrast to lives
But the people who maintain the road do not pay anything when you die ... so roads look expensive to them
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If you build a road between a valley and there are 100 deer accidents a year, don't you think it would have been better to have built a raised road so the deer can go under the road and through the only choke point in the entire valley rather then get themselves killed and a few humans while they're at it?
It's a lot cheaper and easier to just shoot all the deer and build a normal road.
Great, more distractions for drivers... (Score:2, Insightful)
Unless this is done VERY carefully, I'm afraid it'll just end up distracting most drivers. Yes, head-up displays have existed in fighter jets, etc. for decades, but those pilots are highly trained to process all the data given to them. Throw an average driver into a car that suddenly starts highlighting road signs, etc. and you risk distracting him. What happens if the system freaks out as you drive down a street with tons of road signs? You could end up flooding the windshield with lots of neon lines a
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That's the idea. Being 'distracted' by things you might run into is a good thing.
So you're driving down a street in the middle of the night and suddenly a little blue blob appears because the car has detected a person walking across the street a half a mile in front of you. Rather than pay attention to the road directly in front of you, you start squinting at the blue blob to try to figure out what the car is warning you about, or you otherwise simply start paying more attention to the blob to see if it mo
Still waiting... (Score:2, Funny)
I'm still waiting for the "Back to the Future" cars to start surfacing. We were promised those cars over 20 years ago. Where are they?
Oh, and "hover boards"... Where are they? I don't see 'em...
When, GM? When will you give me what I want?!?!
No government funds for you!
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I'm still waiting for the "Back to the Future" cars to start surfacing.
DeLoreans [wikipedia.org] have been around for years. The company started in 1975 and went bankrupt in 1982.
Driver's perspective? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Actually that's a pretty easy problem to solve, given that there's never more than one driver. A headband would be an obvious solution, but there are at least 5 that would work fine.
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One thing worries me... (Score:5, Insightful)
It can improve safety of driving in poor weather conditions immensely comparing to current situation. But I'm afraid it will have a reverse effect in reality: increasing driver's confidence ("the HUD displays the road far ahead, so there is no danger") will result in increasing the speed in these conditions, and result in more serious accidents because the system can't foresee everything - obstacles on the road, slippery surface, other cars that don't have it and drive blindly - the kind of accidents slow and cautious driving would help against, or at least minimize impact.
Re:One thing worries me... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's what scares me, too. It's like 4WD here in Maine - if you go down the highway after a snowstorm, you'll pretty much see only two types of cars - very small light cars and SUVs. The former because the cars simply can't handle the conditions, and the latter because some 4X4 drivers became severely overconfident in the capabilities of their vehicle and think 4X4 is some form of magic glue that sticks the wheels to the road. The 4x4s are the ones that get really banged up, because their drivers have been running at or above the speed limit.
That and the possibility of some sort of malfunction at an ill-timed moment. A bunch of drivers tootling down the highway in deep fog, all tailgating one another just like they do in clear conditions, and the second car in line has his sensors hit by a rock kicked up by the first car, and it knocks the sensors off kilter or out of order. Second driver is now completely blind in heavy traffic.
If used to enhance defensive driving, this kind of system could be really useful. Especially using senses like IR to detect problems that may not be very visible (pedestrian in dark clothing walking up to crosswalk at night) or providing useful safety information (paint the 3-foot barrier line around the cyclist, and estimate whether you have enough room to safely pass him based on the speed of oncoming traffic in the opposing lane). Combine this with GPS to "mark" the road you want to drive down, and maybe even "paint" the road names on roads you are passing by, and turn-by-turn GPS is suddenly a lot less distracting.
But that's not how it's going to be used, at least not exclusively. For every driver using this as additional information while driving at a speed they can support without the enhancements, you'll have at least one that turn the system on, put the "Top Gun" soundtrack in, crank it to 11, and drive down the highway in 20-foot-visibility fog at 70MPH following the painted lines.
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I'm from Buffalo and went to school in Rochester (Western New York), and one of my greatest pleasures during those years was driving home and back after or during a big snowstorm. I had a ten-year-old FWD Saturn - really not a great car to drive on snow and ice - but I learned to drive in cheap cars in snow and ice so I know how to handle it. I would often drive somewhere when it was really bad specifically because I knew I could, I didn't really care if the car got damaged, and I knew there wouldn't be any
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Why the thruway is designed with ditches on both sides I'm not really sure, when I know the designers understood about snow and ice making people run off the road, but it sure makes a great trap for cars.
You've just answered your own question. I'm assuming by "ditches" you mean relatively gentle embankments, and not severe dropoffs.
If a car loses control at 65MPH on ice, it's a spinning hunk of metal ready to take out anything in its path, and that path will rarely line up with the direction of the road.
If you put a guardrail the side of the road, that vehicle will bounce back into traffic. You only want guardrails in places where it is MORE dangerous to go off the road (severe dropoff, going over a bridg
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turn the system on, put the "Top Gun" soundtrack in, crank it to 11, and drive down the highway in 20-foot-visibility fog at 70MPH following the painted lines
Man, now I really want to do this.
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Agreed. Also note that the "edge of road" projection from the pictures in TFA isn't exactly all that accurate. You could easily end up going off the road if you put too much trust in it...
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I still won't buy a car from them.
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I've had 2 American cars in my lifetime. Both of them brand new from the dealer.
A Ford, where the driver's side window got stuck 2 weeks after buying it. Then the passenger side window got stuck a month after that. Then about 4 months later the accelerator cable snapped. Then the gear shift LEVER broke off in my hand. Then the transmission went... then I sold it.
A Chevy, which had the "standard" water pump problem for the model at 20,000 miles. Then at 40,000 miles it caught fire due to a ruptured fuel line
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My problem with Japanese vehicles is that they don't offer me what I want. I like their cars, but their trucks are inadequate. They have adequate trucks in other markets (Toyota HiLux, Nissan Patrol) but they don't bring them here. Even if they did, they wouldn't come with diesels due to the emissions equipment; both companies sell numerous vehicles that they sell in the states in other countries, but with diesels as an option. The pickups only have maybe 4 liter diesels at the largest. Ford is about to off
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Risk Compensation (Score:2, Interesting)
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Allow people to better see in fog and they will drive faster.
I watched a documentary some time ago that investigated the cause of multi-car ("multi" being hundreds of cars) pileups in heavy fog conditions that occur every few years. Turns out that when people are driving and lose sense of their surroundings, they actually accelerate. Counter-intuitive to be sure, but the evidence (simulated driving tests, interviews with witnesses, psychologists, etc.) presented in the documentary was fairly convincing.
Ma
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My hunch (backed by no research or anything else) is that it's a fear response -- the faster I drive, the sooner I will be out of the fog.
BMW had these for years (Score:2)
Forget the obligatory (Score:2)
but does it run linux...
I want mine to run GTA ... and witness the havoc that ensues...
What I would like... (Score:2)
...is for this kind of windshield display to block out oncoming headlights. All too often, oncoming headlights are so bright that it blocks my ability to see the road in front of me. If it was possible to selectively block out bright lights (when not near railroad crossings of course), it would be so much nicer to drive at night. I know this will never come to market though because it is a technology that is begging to malfunction.
I've used a GM HUD (Score:2)
The HUD on that car was done by reflecting an LCD display into the windshield. It displayed way more than just your speed. It gave you the outside temperature (excellent for the season in New England wher
Yet Another distraction... (Score:2)
I live in the SanFrancisco area and I must admit the drivers out here are worse than in Boston or NewYork. Not because they are aggressive (which they are not), but because of the distractions. I see drivers with earbuds in, blocking their ability to hear another car and it's horn; having to fiddle with the DVD player for the kids in the back; programming the neverlost/mapping/GPS software on their console; and trying to make a call on their hands free handset.
Shit, most drive automatics anyhow, so their
Cadillac Heads Up Display (Score:2)
Waste of Time & Money (Score:2)
I predict driving will be completely automated by the end of the century. The only HUD you'll need will be will be for your email (or whatever replaces it by then) notifications & RSS feeds if you're watching the scenery go by.
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Depends what fog.
I faced fog that really obscured anything further than on your lane. No road signs, no turns, no edges of the road. You could still drive safely at a snail's speed, but finding the way was a real challenge. An "augmented reality" GPS display that shows where the actual road goes would be immensely helpful.
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Yes, we need this.
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I use Rain-X on my windshield for that type of rain. It helps. It's still a mess, but Rain-X and silicone wipers REALLY helps. At a point, you can just shut the wipers off; they don't help, even silicone wipers don't help. However, with Rain-X on the windshield, the water beads and streams off; you get a messy display of rivulets of water to look through, rather than a sheet of water that acts as a giant distorting lens.
These are conditions most people shouldn't be driving in.
Re:Reward vs risk? (Score:5, Insightful)
You have yet to experience driving through fog so thick you cannot see past the front hood of your car or rain pouring so quickly the wipers do nothing.
Hint: This is when you pull over and wait for the weather to clear before killing yourself/someone else.
Re:Reward vs risk? (Score:5, Interesting)
Been there, done that. Pulling over isn't always the best thing to do. Ask a California highway patrol, he'll tell you that the people BEHIND you, who can't see where they are going, will follow your tail lights anywhere. Trying to stop in that thick fog invites an accident.
I experienced a sudden downpour of rain in Mississippi, on the interstate. I mean, no warning at all. Someone on the CB radio said "Rain", and then I was in it. No little warning spatter or anything. Just a solid sheet of water, like walking under a rain spout during a downpour.
Someone one the CB said he was stopping til it ended, someone quickly answered, "Don't stop - there's oil on the road, you can't stop, and the people behind you can't stop!" In six or seven minutes we had all made it through the squall, no one went in the ditch, and we were happy.
Having driven much of my life on ice, I already knew that the best answer is often NOT to touch the brakes. We got lucky as hell, that day, that no one ahead of us hit THEIR brakes!
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Yeah, and if you ever hit thule fog on I-5 in California, it can be just like that rain you encountered. Everyone is flying along at 70-80 MPH and suddenly you can barely see the edges of the road. It's a white knuckle experience, because you know you can't just pull over or you will be the wall that people run into at 70-80 MPH. That's been publicized after some of those dozens-of-car pileups.
I turn on my front and rear fog lights*, let off the accelerator, and slowly decrease speed until I feel like I h
Re:Reward vs risk? (Score:4, Interesting)
Saab, BMW, Volvo, you know, any decent European car. The problem is, a lot of Americans don't know what they are (even the people who own cars that have the fog lights) so when people are tailgating obnoxiously I hit the switch (I have rear fogs on both sides, not just the driver side) and the people behind me invariably back off, thinking I am breaking, but I actually accelerate slightly to confuse them and get them to back off further.
You've seen rear fog lights. Ever see a volvo or saab with one super-bright "brake" light that is stuck on? You've seen an idiot who doesn't know what the rear fog light is for and thus leaves it on all the time.
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Hint: This is when you pull over and wait for the weather to clear before killing yourself/someone else.
You don't always get the chance to safely pull over. There may be no where for you to go. You can't be seen by the cars behind you.
Re:Reward vs risk? (Score:4, Insightful)
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I will admit that security probably also has to do with it, but I feel pretty damn safe in my ((insert
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The people who don't, for one thing. This system can help you avoid them, or help them avoid you.
I don't think you'll see ads on your windshield. Too distracting, there would be lawsuits and finger pointing every time such a car was involved in an accident.
I'm sure they would test to make sure the system can't obscure your vision of the road. Worst cas
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You can't fuck up drive-by-wire because drive-by-wire itself is a fuck up. Tie a bike cable to your accelerator and hook the other end to your throttle at tension. This is the perfect throttle control system, just like 2-system hydraulics with a side-channel booster (i.e. if it fails, it no longer supplies assistance; but the hydraulics still work) is the perfect braking system (especially since if the whole engine AND electrical system AND half the braking hydraulics catastrophically fail, you can still
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My car doesn't have a throttle. How can it have a throttle cable?
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If Toyota, once the paragon of automotive quality, can bork up the drive-by-wire system,
This is an allegation and has not been proven. In fact, the inability for any independent third party to reproduce this error after all this time makes it highly unlikely that a manufacturing/design error in fact exists. What is far more likely is that there could have been some isolated problems, and everyone else is jumping on the "ME TOO OMG FREE MONIES" bandwagon, hoping to get rich from an even
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The following transpired during my driving lessons ( about 2/3years ago ) in a Ford Ka.
"When I put my hand on the dash, I want you to do an emergency stop."
"Okay"
*gets up to speed and the hand goes to the dash, brakes are slammed on*
SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*stop*
"Did you just skid?"
"Yes, I thought you said this car has ABS?"
"It does"
So far, my experience of ABS is "it doesn't help".. but it may have simply been broken on that particular car ( I've not had to stop quickly in any other car with ABS that I've dri
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In every car I've bought with ABS, I've made sure that the ABS works on a straight empty road before it's actually been needed.
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There's a reason more and more new production aircraft are coming out with HUD and EVS systems. Better visibility and having data in the field of view beats not having it every day of the week. The same can be applied to cars; having an infrared camera projecting an overlay (not a replacement image, but a transparent overlay) would increase visibility at night or in fog/rain.
Look up "gulfstream evs" on youtube for an idea. The tracing and outlining stuff in TFA is something entirely different.
I want some
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How is the second photo misrepresenting an object? It's highlighting a speed limit sign that you need to pay attention to.
Re:Reward vs risk? (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't want my attention drawn to a speed signs.
How am I suppose to tell the cop I didn't know I was in a 50 km/h zone with my stupid windshield pointing out all the frigging signs to me.
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How is the Speed Limit sign something you need to pay attention to and have highlighted in red?
First of all most people drive down the same roads regularly and know the speed limits, this system would pretty soon become irritating and a distraction.
The Speed limit for a road is pretty much set by the type of road it is, you really don't need to see a sign to have a good idea of the appropriate speed for a particular road .
Finally the GPS which your almost certain to have, if you have this system, knows how
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Add in the sign-recognition system GM’s Opel division has developed and the head-up display can tell you when you’re exceeding the speed limit
So the highlighting of speed limit signs looks like it's intended to be used to highlight signs when they display a speed limit that is lower than your current speed. Sounds pretty useful for all those little "speed-trap" towns that litter state routes.
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If people had bothered to RTFA (I know, I'm expecting too much), you'd see that it says:
Add in the sign-recognition system GM's Opel division has developed and the head-up display can tell you when you're exceeding the speed limit
So the highlighting of speed limit signs looks like it's intended to be used to highlight signs when they display a speed limit that is lower than your current speed. Sounds pretty useful for all those little "speed-trap" towns that litter state routes.
It would be useless for me.
Re:Reward vs risk? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Red is pretty much always used to indicate danger of something critical it's a bad color to use for that sort of information amber might make more sense if you have to highlight this sort of information. I would save red for things in your path or moving into your path - real dangers."
Please, think of those of us with impaired color vision, alright? Use red for frivolous bullshit. Save blue for something that really needs attention.
Don't expect green to get our attention, either. I can drive down a big city street at night, and every single light in sight is pure white. Suddenly, one of those white lights changes to yellow, and I slow down, because I know there's a traffic light there, going to turn red. Yes, you guessed, YELLOW is another good color to get our attention. Don't use red, don't use green.
Amber is alright - I see that. I guess some rare people with worse color vision than I have don't even see that.
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Please, think of those of us with impaired color vision, alright? Use red for frivolous bullshit. Save blue for something that really needs attention.
Thank You!
I'm freaking tired of seeing red/green used as indicators since that's also the most common form of color blindness. And it's not common as in 1 out of 1000, but common as in 7-10% of the population. Blue/yellow is an excellent choice for really highlighting what you want (maybe even pink) as it is much more rare for someone to not be able to disti
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You say 7 - 10 % of the population - which is accurate, in it's own way. It's more descriptive and accurate, I think, to say that one out of every four males is AT LEAST a little color blind. Most people are either red, OR green color impaired - I am both. I've read more detailed, and pretty interesting statistics several times in my life - they seem to change a little, depending on who does the research, and what criteria they use. But, roughly, one in four males. Almost never a female.
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Actually, this leads to an interesting question - positional accuracy.
This information is going to be projected on a windshield - a surface that is several feet from your head. Different drivers from different positions are going to have different viewpoints. Someone who is 5' 2" and is sitting in a seat cranked all the way forward is going to be looking through the windshield at a significantly different angle from someone like me (6' 3") sitting in a seat cranked all the way back, and even I sit in diff
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Why exactly shouldn't GM look towards the future, that's what successful companies do you know.
Yes my father still has some Moon tickets from Pan Am [wikipedia.org]. That was another company "looking towards the future". Unfortunately after Pan Am went bankrupt, no one else seems to want to honor those tickets...
Just a little hint, "looking towards the future" does not MAKE a company successful. It's a luxury that successful companies can allow themselves in order to stay ahead o
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I wonder if there's a better way to vote that would alleviate the issue of people voting without knowing who they're voting for?
Maybe it would be better to just present the voter with a list of short position statements crafted by the candidates, shown to the voter without identifying which candidate it belongs to. The voter can pick the position they agree with the most. After choosing, show them who it belonged to. Then ask them to choose a candidate.
If they find out they keep picking a different candidat
Re:Non-average driving positions? (Score:4, Insightful)
As the video shows they are doing active head and eye tracking of the drivers position in space and adjust the image accordingly.
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IMHO this tech is an important step to perfecting cars that can drive on their own. Sure right now it's giving feedback to the driver, but the same underlying system would be used by a computer to navigate the car. Although, I don't think people would ever be comfortable with the idea of a car driving itself. For some reason people tend to not trust devices that can make a split second decision in a nanosecond, I'm assuming its for the same reason as in the movie "I, Robot". Computers a calculating and will
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if road travel became "automated" I would break the computer and regain manual control of the car. I can hold my speed steadier than my cruise control; I can react to traction loss faster than the traction control in the computer (I can feel it before it causes the wheels to slip that much, thanks to steering and engine braking response); and I see problems before they become problems, like nervous/confused drivers (I've made note of a driver 2 lanes over, followed for a mile, and then signaled and started
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I can react to traction loss faster than the traction control in the computer
Doubtful.
(I can feel it before it causes the wheels to slip that much thanks to steering and engine braking response)
Before it slips "that much"? A traction control system can notice the same slippage, and it can react to it a hell of a lot faster than you can. Maybe not in as nuanced a manner, but sometimes a brute-force approach is a better choice.
I've yet to find anything a computer can do better than me
I'm assuming you mean in the context of cars? If so: Anti-lock brakes. There's no way a human driver can replicate the reduced stopping distance provided by anti-lock brakes. We just can't react quickly or precisely enough.
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What makes you think that ?
Their not replacing the windscreen in any way - they are using laser projectors to paint images ONTO the windscreen - the actual windscreen is still what it always was -a piece of (hopefully shatterprufe) glass.
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Great, so instead of a new windshield costing $100-$200, you'd have to pay $2000 to get one from a dealer.
Yes, I live in Utah where the endless road construction has cracked two of my windshields in the last year so this is a concern for me.
Damn, wish windshields were that cheap around here. No way I'd get a windshield for less than €300.
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The GM display is for augmented reality, highlighting the road, signs, etc. not just displaying your speed.