Microsoft Rolls Out Pocket PC 2003 195
An anonymous reader writes "Monday, June 23 was a big day for Microsoft's mobile devices software strategy. The company: (1) rolled out Pocket PC 2003 (and renamed it); (2) unveiled a new "Windows Mobile" branding strategy; and (3) launched a collaboration with three leading high-speed wireless service providers to provide easier access to more than 3,500 Wi-Fi wireless "hot spots" by Windows-powered PDAs throughout the US. All this (and more) is covered in this "special report" at WindowsForDevices.com (including a detailed list of enhancements in Pocket PC 2003)."
Windows (Score:3, Interesting)
Wireless hotspots? Maybe this will make... (Score:1, Interesting)
Ah... marketing (Score:5, Funny)
again
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:2)
Look at all the Slashdot users who run Linux for the sake of being cool here. It's pretty well marketed here.
I'm still amazed that Mac isn't more popular than it is.
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:3, Interesting)
PocketPC always has windows in the name, since it was Windows CE Pocket PC. Renaming is definitely a marketing thing though, when you rename something people think its new and give it another look. I don't think this is bad, its just the way things work. I'm glad that you can
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:2)
More likely on GPS receivers that are designed for in-car use and are not really pocket ready.
If you try to buy an in-car navigation system from the likes of garmin you end up paying $1500 by the time you have a usable system, the devicde costs $$$ then the maps cost $$$$ then there are updates, the car install kit and so on. Compared to that the cost of pocketPC plus software + GPS CF
And wasn't it once known as 'wince'? (Score:2)
My ever-changing mood.
Re:Ah... marketing (Score:2)
Wind blows,
Thru my butt cheeks.
Words of Wisdom,
Heartily felt.
The OS licensing is muddled, as usual... (Score:2)
Re:The OS licensing is muddled, as usual... (Score:2, Interesting)
Windows Mobile (aka PocketPC 2003) is based on CE.NET 4.2 to be precise.
The version I think you are talking about is the one slated to be b
Why new name? (Score:5, Interesting)
I for one have always thought PocketPC as something that is LESS Microsoft, which is a Good Thing (TM). I would never buy a copy of Windows XP while I could consider buying a PocketPC (but not a Windows Mobile)...
I don't know what to do *Cries in horror*
Re:Why new name? (Score:3, Funny)
I like the sound of WinBile.
Re:Why new name? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Why new name? (Score:1)
Its called "Marketting". It happens.
Why? (Score:1, Insightful)
Calling it the "Windows Mobile" is just an attempt to draw the Pocket PC hardware closer to Microsoft's bosom.
("snicker...he said bosom...")
Re:Why new name? (Score:2)
Re:Why new name? (Score:2)
Re:Why new name? (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft's marketing department is changing the product name precisely BECAUSE of people like you who are going to buy a product purely on name alone, its merits or lack of same notwithstanding. For more users than not, the Windows association is a *good* thing and the PocketPc nomenclature was probably confusing to many of them.
Re:Why new name? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why new name? (Score:2)
Re:Why new name? (Score:2)
However, I doubt they'll bring them back. PocketPC 2000 and 2002 have specified a smaller screen, fixed at 240x320, portraid orientation. I hope PPC 2003 has added something about scaling/resizing PPC apps, bringing the
Viewsonic V37??? (Score:2, Interesting)
Interesting timing on this announcement (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Interesting timing on this announcement (Score:1)
Re:Interesting timing on this announcement (Score:1, Interesting)
I think if I did a casual survey of the computer world about 5% would care about what Apple has to say and only about 1% are actually on pins and needles. I guess 1% of millions is still a big number but I would hardly consider it "a big part of the computer world."
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Re:Interesting timing on this announcement (Score:3, Funny)
Honestly, I don't think Microsoft gives Apple that much credence. Such will be their downfall.
Re:Interesting timing on this announcement (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Interesting timing on this announcement (Score:2)
I think it shows how paranoid they are and how much credence they give Apple despite the vast difference in market share.
Apple is the trailblazer (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple is commonly referred to as "R&D south" by the Redmond campus. This term is quite apt of how most big players look at apple.
essentialy apple is probably the greatest trend setter in consumer computers. The big boys don't use thier resources to explore new design concepts and tech use. Instead they watch apple roll out new products, and see whether or not they are succesfull and viable (iPOD + Itunes Music Store, iMac) or just a bad idea (cube).
Apple hsn't got market share, they've got style share, or should i say... they are trendy. If something works within the apple community, it is almost garenteed to work in the windows community. Thus Companies who watch apples endeavors closely, can get a good idea on what markets to tackle, and what to leave alone.
There are reasons why apple's brand and OS/hardware have a much higher user satisfaction, it's because they spend almost as much money (and more in some cases) on product development than the much larger players (MS, IBM, DELL, HP, etc...). They also can afford to do so... it's their identity, and what keeps them alive. Since apple has it's own market, it doesn't have to worry about it's dollars spent on reasearch vs dollars spent on market growth in comparison to other players in the same space.
That is, dell must keep a tight budget on it's spedning, because they've got to save money to fight off sony, toshiba, HP, and others in distribution and identity. Whereas apple's identity is secure and has no DIRECT competitors in it's market (albeit a much smaller market, though apple ships nearly as many machines as the big boys do individualy) so apple's main goal is to preserve their identity of being something appealing, different and very well made. Part of being very well made and different AND APPEALING is TONS of R&D.
I hear rumors that panther (OS X 10.3) will have native ActiveDirectory support along with a 970 at 2ghz (which should be on par with a P4 at 3.5ghz or so), Coupled with a 1ghz FSB along with a crapload of hardware goodies.... it looks like apple may be making a play for being more than trendy... but a horse-powered consumer product as well. If the next rumor is true... the implications are huge.
Panther supposedly has a fully featured multi-user environment built for wireless displays. As in you can have 6 people with all of their own wireless displays connected to the same computer in their house. Each one has a full user environment complete with aqua and everything. Eliminating the need for multiple machines, and providing one point of data storage and access. The implications are quite similar to what was expected to be thin client computing of our day (everyone has a dumb terminal that runs from a server somewhere)
but we shall see what happens. I personaly love the ideas of all these things, and think they would be great if implemented by apple (since apple does a stellar job on their projects)... but also find apple's releasal of products to be inconsistent, and often rumors are just that. Rumors.
Industry Name Identity Problem? (Score:5, Interesting)
-Pete
Re:Industry Name Identity Problem? (Score:1)
If it runs PocketPC that behaviour gets added to by it crashing far too much (from experience)
Probably mod this is troll/flamebait
Re:Industry Name Identity Problem? (Score:2)
Re:Industry Name Identity Problem? (Score:2)
Re:Industry Name Identity Problem? (Score:2)
I think of a gas station that sells "Motion Fuel", which is obviously better than gasoline...
obligatory theregister link (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/31369.h
Who cares? (Score:5, Interesting)
WiFi might be nice to give you added flexibility, but frankly do I really frantically want to search a hot spot every hour in order to download my 7 mails from which usually 7 are spam? I don't think so.
Granted, it might be nice to pass your time by browsing the web when you wait for a train. But I can do that just fine with a newspaper.
Methinks this is a rather desperate attempt to (finally) get a foot into the mobile, wireless world and Microsofts attempt to lure (GSM-)manufacturers/network providers in can only be described as a spectacular failure up to now.
Also, WiFi is not the GSM killer; a notion which seems popular in the US, but it's just plain wrong. Those are two very, very different technologies with very different objectives..
Re:Who cares? (Score:3, Funny)
Right on! It drives me crazy to read all these stories (on my pda) about how 802.11b > * . Grr. I do NOT want to go from hotspot to hotspot on my cell phone. Why do these crack smoking writers keep thinking that wifi is this amazing shiznit?
Then, there is the whole Bluetooth v Wifi debate
Wifi only as a time killer? Maybe... but think outside the box (heh). I use wif
Re:Who cares? (Score:3, Informative)
Bluetooth connects devices within a l
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
Damn it man, I'm waiting for you to get the hell out of the stall! I've got to go!!!
Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah...it's that whole U.S. mentality of "live free or die." People envision a world of free or very, very cheap wireless hotspots.
What they don't get is that WiFi is for wireless LANs. It doesn't scale very well beyond providing wireless access for laptops and PDAs to a LAN and it's resources. And it doesn't even do that very well all the time, at least not until some of the major bugs are still being worked out of the technology.
Seattle Wireless is cool and all, but take that on a national or global scale -- it just doesn't work.
Re:Who cares? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
That's some newspaper!
Re:Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)
I travel globally, mostly Europe and Asia; although PCs are common outside the US, mobiles are ubiquitious. Fifteen year olds SMS while waiting for a bus in Hong Kong and Paris and London, while they may just occasionally double-click on an IE icon on a desktop at home or a net cafe.
Most of the
Microsoft is feeling the hit of an emerging, cost-competitive commodity platform and they want to hedge their bets. However, history is against them; Nokia makes much better phone UIs and they are riding GSM whereas MS has to deal with the fragmented and underdeveloped US cell market...
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
Speak for yourself. Me and most of my friends use e-mails and SMS to arrage meeting up, nights out etc. SMS is more popular because of it's instancy, but e-mail will catch up when proliferation of mobile e-mail becomes more widespread.
Microsofts attempt to lure (GSM-)manufacturers/network providers in can only be described as a spectacular failure up to now.
What failure? Please e
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
So, and what exactly stops me from using sms on a phone without built in mp3 player, the capability to watch movies and the possibility to edit word/excel documents? The beauty of sms is its simplicity.
What failure? Please elaborate on what you think is a failure.
For star
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
This is the best phone I have ever owned, or seen. It offers functionality that is about a year ahead of the competition (at it's release). However, it is very complicated. You need to know a hell of a lot about tech to get the most out of it. Hooked up to a PC in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, this phone is spectacular. Seriously. It's a geeks dre
Get it Right: Wi-Fi is the WCDMA Killer (Score:2)
What you're referring to is the comparison of 3G technologies (such as WCDMA or CDMA2000) to Wi-Fi, and here again you're still wrong. It's becoming very clear that the rapid growth of 802.11x hotspots will spoil the market for 3G, since they're dramatically less expensive to deploy, and they cover the spots where people are most likey to use a rich content mobile device. And spare us the
Dell Axim and Upgrades (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes (Score:4, Informative)
Thank you for using the Dell Community Forum.
Yes, Pocket PC 2003 is real. I do not have a firm date when Dell will begin shipping Pocket PC 2003, or when upgrades will be available, or who will be eligible for free upgrades.
One warning. I have been told that many applications that work in Pocket PC 2002 do not work in Pocket PC 2003. It appears that Pocket PC 2003 is a major Operating System upgrade and that some applications will have to be recompiled for it.
I am at the moment testing a few applications on Pocket PC 2003, and so far I have only found one application, the game Argentum that will not run. I do not have a list of applications that will work with Pocket PC 2003, but I will try to keep you posted about any applications that I have trouble with.
Re:Yes (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Dell Axim and Upgrades (Score:2, Insightful)
cnet article [com.com]
aximusers.com [aximusers.com]
think I'm going to pass on this one. considering I've been kicking myself since I bought it, I think I'll save the money for a new iPaq.
Apple? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Apple? (Score:4, Insightful)
Just to be balanced...here [hp.com] is a shipping product.
Re:Apple? (Score:1, Funny)
The /. perspective, obviously. Where Microsoft gets absolutely no credit for anything, ever.
Re:Apple? (Score:2)
Re:Apple? (Score:2)
Re:Apple? (Score:2)
Re:Apple? (Score:2)
- Dual 2.0 GHz PPC970 processors
- 160 GB of hard drive space
- 4x DVD-R Superdrive
$2,999
vs. the HP system you mentioned, when configured as close to equivalently as possible:
- Dual 900 MHz Itanium processors
- 145 GB of hard drive space
- CD-RW / DVD-ROM combo drive
$10,043
$7,000 cheaper... The only question now is how their performance compares. Time will tell!
Re:Apple? (Score:2, Insightful)
Kinda late, but I guess they've finally been invented. Now someone else can come along and copy them with, err, the Sparc and the Alpha.....
They finally have symmetric multiprocessing (got it by buying it in from outside the company after failing time after time after time to implement their own SMP OS), so they might as well have the capability of slapping 'Now with 64 bits!' stickers on those plastic cases as well.
Re:Apple? (Score:3, Funny)
How about a PDA from Apple?
Was? (Score:2)
Same day Apple WWDC starts (Score:1, Redundant)
Perhaps I'm just paranoid where Microsoft is concerned, but could it, possibly, maybe, be a coincidence that Microsoft released all of this hoopla on the start of the WWDC, when Apple [apple.com] will be announcing all kinds of hardware and software releases?
Of course it's coincidence. What was I thinking? Never mind.
A Little Early?? (Score:4, Insightful)
What do you mean was? It's still before 7am in Redmond, and only approaching 10am on the east coast. Sounds more like marketing.
uh oh, an guaranteed success. (Score:5, Funny)
1) Windows CE
2) Windows Pocket PC
3) Windows Pcoket PC 2003
Damn you Microsoft! Damn you to hell!!!!!!
Re:uh oh, an guaranteed success. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:uh oh, an guaranteed success. (Score:2)
The concept of a "major" revision has become quite diluted. Windows 95, 98, and ME were all considered major revisions by Microsoft's marketing, even though the internal software version changed from 4.0 to 4.10 to 4.11 (?) between them. Same for Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) to Windows XP (NT 5.1) to Longhorn (NT 5.5?).
Even Apple has jumped on the bandwagon, charging full price for point-release upgrades.
Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
Well... (Score:1)
branding strategy (Score:3, Funny)
Since We've Slashdotted them.. (Score:5, Informative)
Enhanced Connection Manager user interface (UI) -- A new and more intuitive Connection Manager wizard features enhanced tabs to give users more control over selecting networks and setting dialing preferences.
Zero Configuration connections -- Pocket PC 2003 has added Zero Configuration for Wi-Fi, designed to simplify connection with and authentication to 802.11 wireless networks. Zero Configuration is also supported when adding a dial-up modem or Ethernet network card.
Improved animated connectivity status icons -- When using the cellular phone features of the PPC, new connectivity icons have been merged onto the navigation bar to better illustrate radio signal strength and data flow.
Improved connectivity bubbles -- Connectivity message bubbles are clearer and less cluttered and more easily convey information about connection status, synchronization and signal strength.
Bluetooth partnership wizard -- New wizard pops up at (Settings | Bluetooth | Paired Device Tab | New), which turns on the radio, searches for available devices and asks users to set a PIN to pair with a device. This feature allows users to easily configure Bluetooth bonding.
Always-on Bluetooth discoverability -- The Bluetooth discoverable mode stays turned on after users activate it (until users manually changes the setting) to allow for easy Bluetooth bonding.
Use of Bluetooth modems -- Bluetooth phones may be used as a modem to connect the Pocket PC to the Internet. This feature represents Microsoft's commitment to serving OEMs and mobile operators and to supporting the growing popularity of the Bluetooth wireless connection standard.
Bluetooth beaming -- Users can now beam data such as Contact files using Bluetooth.
Auto-correct -- Common spelling errors are automatically corrected during typing. Auto-correct can easily be overridden. (Not available in East Asia.)
Auto-suggest -- Auto-suggest is extended to the email inbox, allowing users to type email more quickly.
Turn all radios off -- One-touch ability allows users to turn off all wireless radios (802.11x, Bluetooth, cell phone, etc.) to conserve device power when not on a network or allow other features to be used while traveling on an airplane when cell phones must be turned off.
802.1x support -- 802.1x Wi-Fi security is supported natively.
Certificate Management UI -- New control panel applet allows users to manage client and root certificates. This is useful when users have installed a bad certificate and have difficulty logging onto Wi-Fi networks.
IPSec/L2TP -- Windows CE provides the support for IPSec L2TP (the Microsoft VPN standard for connectivity).
Support for Multiple VPNs -- The new Connection Manager also supports multiple VPNs.
IPv6 support -- PPC now supports IPv6/v4 mixed environments.
New Today screen -- Today screen automatically shows users the next day's appointments immediately after the last current day appointment expires to better manage early morning meetings.
Smart Lookup in Contacts -- Pocket PC 2003 incorporates Smart Lookup, a feature that enables users to input the first few letters of the contact they want to open.
Windows CE 4.2 operating system -- With the new and improved operating system, Windows CE 4.2, users will experience improved performance and stability of applications built for Pocket PC 2003 devices.
Enhanced developer support
Only slightly offtopic (Score:5, Interesting)
That said: what are
One word (Score:5, Insightful)
That's only of course if you want to write apps that will work on an order of magnititude more devices...
Including the PocketPC, and many many cellphones.
And considering that dotnet (Score:2)
PocketPC devices just make me... (Score:5, Funny)
After all, you're buying from a convicted criminal...
Re:PocketPC devices just make me... (Score:2)
Just calling a spade a spade. :-P WinCE is still actively used in computer circles in preference to the "Microsoft Windows Powered Pocket PC" which seems to be the name of the "new" OS.
Anyhow, Microsoft is so 20th century...
By the way, I personally find emoticons convey clearly what is often not clear at all from the
name changing (Score:3, Interesting)
Take Pascal for example, a teaching language, that has some major suck factor for real world programing. But a bunch of tech school clubies started using it for real world apps.
Most real developers know it sucks, so they renamed it to Delphi, just to confuse people into using it.
Re:name changing (Score:3, Informative)
They didn't 'rename' anything with Delphi. Delphi is a RAD tool which utilizes Object Pascal as it's base language (Okay... so they renamed it to 'Object Pascal'... that's what happens when you make it OO). Having used it myself in the past (well, about 5-6 years ago), I can say that in my opinion it's ***way*** better than VB. The code seems to me to be a lot cleaner and nowadays you can port your stuff to Linux really easily
Delphi: the real story! (Score:3, Informative)
First, a lot of serious programmers dispute your estimate of Pascal's suck factor. Intel certainly didn't think so when they designed the 80x86 stack frame to efficiently support Pascal nested procedures. The Pascal-versus-C debate continues to this day, though I think in all practical terms C has won the argument.
I used to believe in the "teaching language run amuck" theory of Pascal's origins too. But that was before I started using Object Pascal in the r
I had a Pocket PC once... (Score:1)
Sounds good to me. (Score:4, Insightful)
Now all I have to worry about is a bout of retardism making me type MSM, to get SMS...:-p
But anything MS does to improve their products is should be viewed as a welcome change.
Interesting... (Score:3, Insightful)
</pedantic>
PocketPC? (Score:3, Funny)
Arm your Digimon against the Microsoft Menace!
T.
HotSpots (Score:3, Funny)
Make that 3,501 if you are standing within 20 feet of my basement window.
Microsoft Rolls Out Pocket PC 2003 (Score:3, Funny)
screenshots and benchmarks here (Score:2, Informative)
if someone actually cares - Tosh e740 (Score:3, Informative)
On the very limited possibility that someone is reading this thread for information, I just talked to Toshiba and they say that you get 2003 for free if you purchased an e75x after May 1, everyone else (including e740 owners) needs to pay $50 by calling 1-888-874-8247. I, for one, am going to get it just for the improvements in IE.
More Wizards Lost (Score:2)
-- Yes I know I could have picked better links, but I'm trying to work. :)
First Pocket PC 2003 MS Knowledgebase article (Score:5, Funny)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb
Re:First Pocket PC 2003 MS Knowledgebase article (Score:2)
To resolve this problem, stop recording before the memory is exhausted.
Jeez... As if I didn't know that already!!!!
I'm glad that support call didn't cost ME $250
Re:completely offtopic (Score:1)
Re:News for Nerds? (Score:1)
Re:News for Nerds? (Score:5, Insightful)
(Yeah, it's a troll, but I'll answer anyway.)
Because the dislike for Microsoft largely isn't irrational. I use Windows at work and at home, and generally like the product. I don't mind Microsoft trying to be all things to all people, but I do mind the way it tries to shut everyone else out of the market. There's a fine line between responsible and irresponsible competition and Microsoft straddles that line.
That's one of the reasons I'd like to see Linux succeed: to act as a brake on Microsoft's behavior. (Another is that I think Linux is kinda cool and I like the ethics surrounding its development.)
Do some here have a knee-jerk response to all things Microsoft? Sure, but it's mostly born of experience.
FWIW, An alternative article text (Score:1)
Today was a big day for Microsoft's mobile devices software strategy. The company: (1) rolled out Pocket PC 2003 (and renamed it -- more on that later); (2) unveiled a new "Windows Mobile" branding strategy; and (3) launched a collaboration with three leading high-speed wireless service providers to provide easier access to more than 3,500 Wi-Fi wireless "hot spots" by Windows-powered PDAs throughout the US.
The following three WindowsForDevices.com news items detail today's three announcement
Re:save bandwith; article text (Score:2)
hehehehehe...
Re:Last flails of the dying (Score:1)
Pocket PC a failed attempt?
Re:Last flails of the dying (Score:2)