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Cisco Systems Pulls Out of Russia, Destroys Millions of Dollars Worth of Equipment (gagadget.com) 74

Cisco Systems has left the Russian market, destroying tens of millions of dollars worth of equipment and components in the process. This is due to the fact that the developer of network equipment has no plans to resume operations in the country. Gagadget reports: Cisco Systems announced it would cease sales in the Russian market in March 2022. Three months later, the company refused to renew its licenses. In addition, at the same time, the American manufacturer announced its withdrawal from Russia and Belarus.

As it became known, Cisco Systems decided to physically destroy spare parts, product demonstrations, equipment and even furniture. The value of the destroyed stock is estimated at [$23.42 million]. The company has also disposed of fixed assets worth [$12,600]. By the end of 2022, Cisco Systems had reduced its workforce by a factor of 12 to five employees. The company terminated contracts with the rest in mid-2022, paying them a total of [$2.4 million].
The TASS Russian News Agency first reported the news.
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Cisco Systems Pulls Out of Russia, Destroys Millions of Dollars Worth of Equipment

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  • by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @06:48PM (#63428936)

    Cisco destroyed $23M of equipment? Must have been a single low-end device without any licensing.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Posting anonymously as an ex-employee.

      While I worked there (20+ years) we used to get a 90% discount on internal orders. And I suspect what we paid was overpriced even including shipping costs. So increase the number from the article by at least an order of magnitude.

      I'm positively surprised they took this long to disengage themselves and keep supplying their customers with spare parts and honoring their support contracts. It must mean they still believe that honoring those kinds of commitments means so

      • Customer support and service contracts aren't free; that's part of why places pay more for Cisco than for a slashdotter's Tomato install.

        Cheap, well-supported, functional. Choose two of the three, and if "functional" isn't one of your choices you can't have either of the other two.

    • by Kisai ( 213879 )

      Eh... not a far-fetched statement.

      It was likely closer to maybe 6 units if they were enterprise routers.

      Cisco stuff is some of the worst-value equipment in the world, and you'd only use them if you were already invested in the Cisco ecosystem (eg phones, which are like $500 a piece, not including headset)

    • oh, "horror show".

  • by SchroedingersCat ( 583063 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @06:50PM (#63428938)
    "Destroyed stock is estimated at 23M"? At Cisco prices that is like dozen switches and a few routers.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      List prices are only a base figure used to calculate discounts. No one actually pays those.
    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      Value of warehoused items is different from what you pay when you purchase the items.

      It's the magic of tax workarounds. A $10 item is sold for $800 and the $790 is packaging, handling and software license cost. The licenses aren't in a local office but centrally held.

      With the most recent Cisco switches the licensing is only valid for 3 or 5 years, so this means that if license upgrades are blocked then they'll get some networking headaches the next few years.

  • Good job, Cisco (Score:5, Informative)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @06:52PM (#63428944)

    Destruction of equipment and components ensures Russia won't be able to use any of it for their invasion of Ukraine. Even destroying furniture is good so the drunk thieves get no use from them.

    If all those sales of household appliances [time.com] from Russia's neighbors could be severely restricted, that would help tremendously as well.

    • Absolutely. "Salt the earth". If it isn't worth taking with you - or possible - it's still worth rendering it useless on your way out.

    • I really hope I can find a good Youtube video of all of the trashing and smashing.

    • Re:Good job, Cisco (Score:4, Insightful)

      by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <[ten.frow] [ta] [todhsals]> on Thursday April 06, 2023 @09:52AM (#63430092)

      Destruction of equipment and components ensures Russia won't be able to use any of it for their invasion of Ukraine. Even destroying furniture is good so the drunk thieves get no use from them.

      If all those sales of household appliances from Russia's neighbors could be severely restricted, that would help tremendously as well.

      Basically to stem the flow of people pulling out of Russia, Russia basically closed all avenues of liquidation. You can't transfer your profits out, and if you try to sell your equipment, you must make mandatory "donations". Effectively, to any company pulling out, it's a complete writeoff. Any money you make pulling out is going to be claimed by the Russian government.

      So if your only choices are to liquidate and give your cash to the Kremlin, or leave behind valuable equipment, then destroying it all making it worthless costs the company nothing. Wish we knew or had pictures. Wondered if they simply smashed it or decided to toast it - some AC power applied to the DC voltage rails to pop the chips.

      Smashing the furniture has a similar effect - Cisco probably also had some useful furniture like standing desks that had salvageable chips too..

  • Price check (Score:5, Insightful)

    by skogs ( 628589 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @07:09PM (#63428970) Journal

    23M is what they wrote off on their tax records.

    The market price and 'real profits' might have only been around 5M had they actually sold it all.

    Real actual 'value' ... probably more like 500K.

  • It's pretty bitter sweet to release Cisco just slash and burned Russia...

  • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:49PM (#63429106)

    Defeating your enemy is one thing. Defeating and humiliating your enemy is a whole 'nother can of worms.

    There is a corollary: lobotimizing your enemy is of limited utility unless you have defanged him first.

    The Russians were defeated, humiliated, and lobotomized about 30 years ago, but they were not defanged. And here we are.

  • It must have been pretty fun.

  • by Malays2 bowman ( 6656916 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:07PM (#63429126)

    Who hadn't dreamed of going at a server rack with a sledgehammer?

    • Comprehensive (Score:4, Informative)

      by kackle ( 910159 ) on Thursday April 06, 2023 @09:06AM (#63429946)
      I don't know how they destroyed the equipment, but running higher voltage through the buses is a quick way to ruin "all" of the ICs (an accidental experience of mine). Bonus: The chips look like they're fine, so engineers' time will be wasted trying to use them.
    • I've never taken a sledgehammer to a rack, but I have literally used one to "secure erase" mechanical hard drives before. It only takes a few good strokes on a concrete surface, and I figure if I dent it deeply enough to bend the platters it's secure enough for my needs.

      On a related note, I've also shot monitors with a rifle before, but that was simply for fun.

  • ... I hope the Russians love their routers too
  • by doubledown00 ( 2767069 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:47PM (#63429264)

    Cisco: Not only are we leaving the country, but we're going to salt the earth behind us and burn everything as we leave thus crippling you *and* depriving you of replacement infrastructure.

    That's how you hate fuck like you mean it.

    • Depriving them of replacement hardware? Theyâ(TM)ll just switch to something from China like Huawei, if they hadnâ(TM)t already started doing this anyway. Sanctions are just helping China and Chinese companies.

      • Yeah, that's the thing, you don't want to do that. As Russia.

        Remember why Huawei is on the US shitlist? Russia is already becoming China's bitch, you think they want to speed this up by pretty much telling them every secret they still have?

      • chinese networking gear.

        good. they'll get what they deserve.

        btw, how is that capacitor, ivan? leaking a bit? oh, my. shame.

  • I guess this is when Huawei will enter the chat...

  • by upuv ( 1201447 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:42PM (#63429306) Journal

    The market exit is 100% driven by money. Destroying gear left in country is part of that strategy.

    What no one has brought up yet is the numerous sanctions that are in place. A tech company like Cisco is directly in the gun sites of western sanctions.

    Cisco wants to be a lot farther away than arms reach from anything going on in Russia. They definitely do not want to be accused of selling kit used in the war effort. Those penalties could be in the billions if it becomes a hot media topic.

    A few million is a lot cheaper than the legal fees alone in a defence. Destroying gear will also show clear intent of exit to western politico's.

    Remember there is also the Iran angle. If Iran sources kit from Russia that has western origins these companies are going to get slapped. Russia is most definitely kissing up to Iran at the moment. With numerous reports of captured military gear being sent to Iran for reverse engineering. Tech companies definitely do not want there names on the same press release as mentioned of these events.

    Now as for salting the earth as previously mentioned. No it's not. The next western friendly leadership there will give such favourable deals to western companies to come back that it will be embarrassing to watch.

    • Cisco is directly in the gun sites of western sanctions

      There's a big difference between being in someone's gun sites and being in their gun sights. One is much more dangerous than the other. It's important to not get these confused.

      Of course, one country's gun site may be another county's target, so neither is a completely safe place to be.

  • by Uldis Segliņš ( 4468089 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:56PM (#63429320)
    If the only source is kremlincontrolled, I would not dare to put it out as fact.
    • Yeah I'd like to Cisco confirm. Maybe Cisco paid somebody to destroy the equipment. That person took the payment and "destroyed" it by delivering it to the Russian government for a supplementary fee. And now that equipment will be used to support the war effort. Not blaming Cisco. That's just how it is in Russia.
  • Where did they learn that?
  • No doubt Putin, Trump and his fascists followers are furious about this.
  • ... move.

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