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Microsoft CEO Defends Pentagon Contract Following Employee Outcry (theverge.com) 221

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is defending the company's $479 million contract with the Pentagon to supply augmented reality headsets to the U.S. military. "We made a principled decision that we're not going to withhold technology from institutions that we have elected in democracies to protect the freedoms we enjoy," he told CNN Business at Mobile World Congress. "We were very transparent about that decision and we'll continue to have that dialogue [with employees]," he added during the exclusive interview. From the report: Microsoft was awarded the contract to supply "Integrated Visual Augmentation System" prototypes to the U.S. military in November. The company could eventually deliver over 100,000 headsets under the contract. Microsoft's HoloLens augmented reality technology allows users to see the world around them, but with virtual graphics overlaid. The Israeli military, which has taken delivery of some HoloLens headsets, says the technology can be used to help commanders visualize the battlefield and field medics to consult doctors. According to procurement documents, the U.S. military is seeking a single platform that provides its forces with "increased lethality, mobility and situational awareness" in combat. Microsoft employees have recently circulated a letter addressed to Nadella and Brad Smith, the company's president and chief legal officer, arguing that the company should not supply its HoloLens technology to the U.S. military. "It's not about taking arbitrary action by a single company, it's not about 50 people or 100 people or even 100,000 people in a company," he said. "It's really about being a responsible corporate citizen in a democracy."
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Microsoft CEO Defends Pentagon Contract Following Employee Outcry

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  • by ToTheStars ( 4807725 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @09:33PM (#58179892)
    How about a source that doesn't abuse YouTube's copyright system to cover their incompetence? Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2019/... [engadget.com]

    For context: https://hardware.slashdot.org/... [slashdot.org]

    (I guess I don't know that Engadget hasn't ever misbehaved, but Vox and The Verge are pretty regularly obnoxious.)
  • by known_coward_69 ( 4151743 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @09:39PM (#58179924)

    If it wasn't for the armed forces investing lots of money in this stuff in the last 3/4 of a century most of you kiddies wouldn't have a job today except maybe factory work

    Intel started making memory chips for Minuteman missiles

    the internet and everything around it was originally a DoD program to build a network that could survive a nuclear war

    CPU development was originally financed by the military

    The ENIAC was built to calculate artillery fire tables

    NASA was a civilian program to build ballistic missiles that just happened to buy lots of then new mainframes

      DARPA funded the original AI and machine learning research as part of the war in Afghanistan.

    the US military was one of Microsoft's first customers and even used Windows and SQL server on ships in the 90's.

    The Army was buying tens of thousands of Exchange and office licenses in the 90's.

    • Nah.

      Porn would have picked up the slack.

      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:12PM (#58180048)

        Nah. Porn would have picked up the slack.

        Porn is a consumer of tech, and provides market incentives for innovations, but they don't fund research.

        Porn drove wide adoption of VCRs and DVDs, but pornographers exploited the tech, they did not create it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by TigerPlish ( 174064 )

      And with the Brits, and Poles, and Germans, and.... fellas, WAR advances tech.

      Modern tech started with the US Military (Score:2, Troll)

      That said -- WTF, how is the parent modded Troll?! It's a Troll to tell the fucking truth?

      Truly, this place has gone over to the fucking dogs.

      Can someone explain to me what, exactly, was Trollish in the parent? Huh?

      Oh right, most people here use Troll instead of replying a rebuttal.

      the OP was right on the money. Just a little narrow in scope in who bumped up tech in the last big one. It was all the players... yes, even ITaly, w

    • by Atmchicago ( 555403 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:18PM (#58180064)

      If it wasn't for the armed forces investing lots of money in this stuff in the last 3/4 of a century most of you kiddies wouldn't have a job today except maybe factory work

      First, all that money comes from taxpayers ("you kiddies"). Second, what you say just means spending on research enables discoveries and new engineering. There's no reason why that spending has to be military. It may even be the case that, had the money been spent on non-military applications, then the taxpayers would have received an even better bang-for-buck.

      • then the taxpayers would have received an even better bang-for-buck.

        Better bang-for-the-buck almost always comes at the cost of a slower timeframe. I can save a lot of money buying a better bang-for-the-buck CPU, but someone still has to overpay for the shiny, new high-end CPUs to fund Intel and AMD's R&D to sustain their current rate of technological progress. So yeah we might have saved some money having the civilian sector develop these things instead of the military. But if we had, we would pro

        • If the U.S. had held back military spending prior to WWII

          But they had... until the Japanese kicked the hornet's nest at Pearl Harbour.

          Anyway, I do remember Nobel and his peaceful-driven research, which was promptly exploited for military purposes.
          Point is, military-driven and civilian-driven research would both be applied in the military field, if there's the smallest chance it could be applicable, regardless who does the research.
          Now, if Microsoft employees don't like it, they are free to protest,. resign, sue Microsoft, do whatever they feel is right (within th

        • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

          If a company had done it, it would've cost several times more - the information would've been proprietary, so each company would've had to duplicate it

          If you don't know about government contracting, please don't spread this BS. First of all, many of these efforts are handed off to contractors because government personnel rarely have the skill set, equipment, workforce, etc., required to do the job. Your claim that it would have been more expensive is bullshit. I've dealt with government contracts for decades, and the requirements contractors are handed are often ridiculously written which causes the contractor to attempt to fulfill "needs" that don't e

          • I think you misunderstood what he meant. If a company is conducting research under contract to the government, then that's essentially the government doing research - for instance, Newport News Shipbuilding builds aircraft carriers, but it's just as correct to say that the government builds them because NNS wouldn't be building them without the government paying them to do so. Similarly, Apple makes iPhones, even though it's actually Foxconn that performs the physical work.

            What the OP meant was it would be

    • Um... not exactly (Score:3, Insightful)

      by rsilvergun ( 571051 )
      the Military was just the excuse used to get the wealthy to let themselves be taxed so we could pay for it to be developed.

      I've got a crazy idea: how about we have modern civilization without a Military Industrial Complex by just taxing the rich whether they like it or not?

      Also, are you suggesting the Army was responsible for the horror that is Microsoft Exchange and Office? Best argument for ending war I've ever heard in my life...
      • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:22PM (#58180280) Homepage Journal

        I've got a crazy idea: how about we have modern civilization without a Military Industrial Complex by just taxing the rich whether they like it or not?

        So, if we tax the rich we don't need a military?

        What are you, 12 years old?

        • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

          by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          In his defense, the military industrial complex is not the military.

          • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

            military-industrial complex
            Dictionary result for military-industrial complex /milter indstrl kämpleks,kämpleks/

            noun

            noun: military-industrial complex; plural noun: military-industrial complexes

            a country's military establishment and those industries producing arms or other military materials, regarded as a powerful vested interest.

    • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:16PM (#58180264) Homepage Journal

      CPU development was originally financed by the military

      First CPU, the 4004, was developed for a calculator [wikipedia.org]

    • Read Accessory to War by Tyson and Lang. "The unspoken alliance between astrophysics and the military"
    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      "the US military was one of Microsoft's first customers and even used Windows and SQL server on ships in the 90's.

      The Army was buying tens of thousands of Exchange and office licenses in the 90's."

      So it is their fault. Now we all know.

      • by kenh ( 9056 )

        The US Military is STILL a large customer for Microsoft products, they use Windows and SQL Server on current military vessels.

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  • Wow. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @09:51PM (#58179988) Journal
    Did Microsoft just refer to the Department of Defense as an "institution we elected"?

    Because I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works.
    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      "Because I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works."

      No, that isn't SUPPOSED to be how it works. It definitely is how it works. Another alarming phrase "corporate citizen", last I checked corporations are not citizens.

  • "We made a principled decision that we're not going to withhold technology from institutions that we have elected in democracies to protect the freedoms we enjoy,"

    What about institutions that got elected through gerrymandering in oligarchies to protect profits for oil barons at the expense of human lives, especially in the middle east but also all over the planet? Asking for 7.53 billion friends.

    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      Obviously, we should just shut down all commercial and military development and sing Kumbaya. Please share your plan for moving forward toward your Utopia.

  • by Octorian ( 14086 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @09:56PM (#58180002) Homepage

    The alternative is giving this contract to one of your more traditional defense contractors, who is probably going to charge a lot more and deliver a significantly worse product. Oh, it'll also be late and grossly over budget, if it happens at all. And when all is said and done, they might procure Microsoft hardware anyways... as some component of their system that the news doesn't report on.

    • The alternative is giving this contract to one of your more traditional defense contractors, who is probably going to charge a lot more and deliver a significantly worse product.

      Worse than a Microsoft product? Go on, pull the other one.

      • by Octorian ( 14086 )

        So I take it that you've never used any software developed under government contract, designed to meet a formally agreed-upon requirements document, that actually has a user interface. :-)

        • So I take it that you've never used any software developed under government contract, designed to meet a formally agreed-upon requirements document, that actually has a user interface. :-)

          No, but I've suffered the CA DMV's god-awful system... except that some people seem to be able to navigate it just fine, which tells me that it's as much a training issue as anything else. Anyway, Windows for Warships, anyone?

        • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

          As someone who developed software under government contract that was successfully deployed for over ten years, please tell me more about how it really works. Do you mean the vague, requirements typically written by government contract officers who are frequently new in their jobs and wouldn't know a "shall statement" if it hit them in the face? Or do you mean the requirements that are agreed upon and designed and coded to, only to be changed by the next contract officer who replaced the last one, and is n

  • by Sarten-X ( 1102295 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:39PM (#58180140) Homepage

    Now, mind you I used to work for the defense industry, so I may be a bit biased...

    I think war technology is a good thing. I would much prefer to simply not go to war, but that sentiment hasn't really held sway at any point in the last few thousand years or so. Somebody always wants to abuse somebody else, and when that ambition reaches the scale of having entire demographics in conflict, you get a war.

    Like all large-scale endeavors, a war is messy. People often have their own goals for joining an organization. In a large corporation, their goals might be as sinister as "get paid to sleep", but in a war, they might find a convenient way to hide a murderous rampage under the guise of patriotic service. Of course, this is something everyone (else) would like to avoid, but it's hard to spot the difference between a psychopathic killer and a well-trained soldier.

    In the rest of society, this is where a justice system comes into play. Knowing that evidence will be collected and that a crime is likely to be punished deters further crime. Attempts to hide a crime often just produce more evidence against the perpetrators. No, it's not a perfect system, and the justice system itself can be abused, but it's still a net benefit in a peaceful society.

    In war, the rigid justice system is often placed second to completing a mission, and any allegations of wrongdoing will be accompanied by very sparse surviving evidence. Within a few days of a crime, witnesses are reassigned, memories are repressed, and new missions take priority over a bureaucratic boondoggle.

    Technology doesn't have those limits. Events can be captured, and recordings can be archived. Decisions can be made far from the field of battle, in the safety of a conference room and with the pooled knowledge and awareness of the whole team, supported by streaming intelligence from remote surveillance. Those decisions and the resulting actions can be analyzed, dissected, replayed, and repeated endlessly as a training exercise, until every soldier behaves exactly as the commanders (right up the chain to the top) have authorized.

    No, it's not going to be easy. Yes, there will be misbehavior and abuse. There will still be the rampaging marauders who use the military as a ride to a third-world country so they can indulge their own anarchist fantasy. Even if everyone acts appropriately, there will be edge cases that lead to mistakes in everyone's judgement. Nothing will be a perfect solution, but we can work to make it better.

    We can put always-on cameras on each soldier. We can use AI to suggest different interpretations of intelligence reports. We can use high-precision guided weaponry to avoid collateral damage. We can use computerized information systems to present an accurate understanding of evidence, and most importantly, we can support a military culture where soldiers know they will be accountable for their actions, and can trust that they will be guided appropriately.

    A military is a machine, and for as long as there have been soldiers, they have just been parts in that machine. With modern technology, we can improve the machine, to make it the most reliable, most accurate, and least error-prone.

    • by kenh ( 9056 )

      The purpose of extreme weapons is to deter potential enemies from considering an attack... It's called a "weapon of deterrence" (as popularized in the movie Dr. Strangelove), and only two things can undermine the effectiveness of such a weapon - "keeping it secret" (See Dr. Strangelove) or "promising to never use the weapon." For too long US politicians tie the hands of the military, leading to third-tier countries feeling they can attack/provoke America because America won't use it's advanced weapons.

      What

    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      Thank you for this well written comment!

      I've been in and around the military since I enlisted at 18 in '76. I couldn't afford college, and this was a logical option to get useful training, and college paid for. In the many years since, I've never met someone I would consider to be a war monger. Sure, there are a lot of young punks in the services...that's a demographic that needs to be reined in by the seniors. And yes, there have been some disgusting events that have slipped through the cracks...Abu Gh

  • Outcry (Score:4, Insightful)

    by somenickname ( 1270442 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:23PM (#58180286)

    50 people doesn't constitute an "outcry" at a company of 100,000+. 50 people barely constitutes and outcry at a company of 1000. If you don't want to work on a project that's going to be used by the military, don't work on a project that's going to be used by the military*.

    * Alternatively, fill your bosses house with a giant tinfoil pan of popcorn.

  • First consider the needed security clearances?
    Workers for any part of any project for the US mil should not go full outcry.
    The background investigations should have considered the politics of all staff who could have an need to outcry.
    They never should have seen or been aware of any US mil project.
    Better testing and background investigations should find the perfect staff able to work on complex mil and security sensitive tasks.
    A democracy should be able to work with any company that has security clea
    • "Their politics, education, skills, hobbies, banking, network use, reading. University politics, friends, social media use.
      Friends of friends."

      Perhaps the problem is excessive secrecy. According to Wikipedia, at least 1.5 million Americans hold Top Secret clearance.

      It seems most unlikely that all 1.5 million meet the standard of Soviet style political reliability you advocate.

      The government of a democracy in peacetime - remind me, when was the last time Congress actually declared war? - need not constantly

      • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
        The walking of a persons past is normal for most nations and in the USA when needing a security clearance.
        The CIA, NSA, GCHQ, MI5/6, US mil do not want another generation of security cleared people giving away US/UK mil secrets due to their politics again.
        Checking digital citizenship and US digital academic results is not a full background investigation.
        Someone actually has to go out in person and interview a persons life story.
        Friends, teachers, fellow students, past relationships until the full story
        • My brother - good grief! Can you not see the difference between desiring a different political future, one more in line with traditional American values and freedoms; and being ready to sell out one's country? Are those who admire the policies of Jefferson, Jackson, Roosevelt, or Eisenhower now thought to be the enemy? Must there be one party line?

          • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
            What are the option?
            1. Its CIA bait to see who looks at the project?
            Could be.

            2. When working for the US mil so type of security investigation and security clearance is needed?
            If we are reading about such a project in the media, that "clearance" did not work very well.
            Why did it not work well?
            • Possibly this particular project, to provide the Army with hololenses, did not stay secret... because the Army publicly announced it.

              From Bloomberg last November: "Microsoft Corp. has won a $480 million contract to supply prototypes for augmented reality systems to the Army for use on combat missions and in training, the Army said." https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com]

        • What does political support of a nation mean? I know a Communist who wants what's best for the US as much as I do. We differ a lot on what's best, and even more about how to get there, but we both want the US to do well.

  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:56AM (#58180890) Journal
    In responding, a Microsoft spokesperson said, "Come on guys, who would run a battleship on Windows? Seriously? That thing would blue-screen at the first sign of a threat. It's obvious we are trying to cause peace here."

    Richard Stallman couldn't be reached for comment, but was heard laughing in the back.
  • That Microsoft is a whore and is after that sweet sweet defense contractor money.

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