Raspberry Pi Unveils New $5 Mini-computer 243
An anonymous reader writes: The Raspberry Pi Foundation unveiled the Pi Zero, a new $5 mini-computer, Thursday morning. The board is the smallest Raspberry Pi yet, containing the first-gen Raspberry Pi's BCM2835 chip (safely overclocked to 1GHz) and 512MB RAM. The latest issue of The Magpi will include a free Raspberry Pi Zero and hits U.K. newsstands Thursday. The announcement came just a few days before the highly anticipated C.H.I.P. $9 mini-computer goes on sale to the public.
puddingebola writes: How can they achieve this price, you may ask? "Its 40-pin GPIO header has identical pinouts, although the pads on the circuit board are "unpopulated," meaning you'll have to solder on your own connector. The same goes for the composite video output: The connection is available, but if you need a socket, you must solder it yourself." Dude, go to Radio Shack.
Some relevant specs besides those mentioned above, from the blog post linked:
- Micro-SD card slot
- mini-HDMI socket for 1080p60 video output
- Micro-USB sockets for data and power
- Identical pinout to Model A+/B+/2B
- An unpopulated composite video header
- "Our smallest ever form factor, at 65mm x 30mm x 5mm"
New submitter graffitiwriter adds a note that the newest Pi has "already been turned into a retro gaming console. It turns out the Pi Zero is more than capable of running Retro Pie and other emulators, and even has a video output that lets you play games on an old CRT TV."
radioshack? (Score:5, Insightful)
Dude, go to Radio Shack.
Or not. Mostly you can only buy consumer electronics there now.
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Dude, go to Radio Shack.
Or not. Mostly you can only buy consumer electronics there now.
Yeah. I was thinking "what, does it need crappy batteries or something?"
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Yeah, my initial reaction was "why? I Don't need a cell phone."
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Quite right. Try out Micro Center, if there is one in your area. Or Frys.
Speaking of Pi Zero, I do hope Minix gets ported to it.
Re:radioshack? (Score:5, Funny)
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Sprint bought them and are keeping some (many?) of the stores around here open. There's also Fry's and a few other places that still stock some of the geeky stuff in a back corner somewhere :/
Mini computer (Score:5, Funny)
Aren't they the size of a filing cabinet?
How does Pi compare to PDP-11 (Score:2)
Aren't they the size of a filing cabinet?
That was just the external hard drive, more a full sized rack in their 1st generation, plus another rack for peripherals. They eventually got down to desktop workstation size. Maybe palm sized now with the Pi. How does a Pi with a remote text terminal session compare performance wise to a PDP-11 :-)
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Way faster, way more capable. I worked with a PDP11 on a summer job. If I remember correctly, it had 2x64KB memory (data and code pages); the Pi has more main memory than the PDP had hard rive storage.
It managed to support about a dozen concurrent users that used it for monitoring an industrial process. It was tight enough, though, that we had to stop people using a full-screen clock application, since it couldn't cope
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Well, there were upward of a dozen submissions about the new rPI; apologies if yours was better. It's not an exact science.
We've had more than one earlier story about the CHIP -- here are two (and there might be a few more, too).
http://hardware.slashdot.org/s... [slashdot.org]
http://build.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
Happy Thanksgiving!
Re:Mini computer (Score:5, Insightful)
Take your crying about your submission being ignored to Fark.
Take your whining about my criticism to your mom. Maybe she will dry your tears. Been a Slashdot editor long?
The AC had correct spelling and punctuation. He or she also clearly and unambiguously expressed the intended thought. So, I strongly doubt it was a Slashdot "editor".
So how long until we have Rasperry Pi Pi (Score:5, Funny)
That costs $3.14?
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5 USD is 3.31 GBP, so it's almost there
Re:So how long until we have Rasperry Pi Pi (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:So how long until we have Rasperry Pi Pi (Score:5, Interesting)
Except Python isn't the "main" programming language used for the RPi.
Pi is because originally we were going to produce a computer that could only really run Python. So the Pi in there is for Python. Now you can run Python on the Raspberry Pi but the design we ended up going with is much more capable than the original we thought of, so it's kind of outlived its name a little bit.
http://www.techspot.com/article/531-eben-upton-interview/
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So basically the "old tradition" starts and ends with "Apple".
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Acorns are seeds, which are produced within what are botanically regarded as fruit (even if, like the tomato, it's not exactly something you'd think of as "fruit" when you're looking for something to eat).
As for Apple, there were lots of Apple II clones [lmgtfy.com] back in the day that adopted fruit-related names.
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Don't forget the Blackberry [youtube.com].
Wow ... (Score:5, Insightful)
So, I remember when a fairly sizable tower was considered a "mini computer" ... hell, I think it was a friggin' VAX.
And the desktop PC was considered a "micro-computer".
Now we have this mini-micro computer called a mini-computer.
This is all very complicated. :-P
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mini-micro computer
Nano computer!
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So, I remember when a fairly sizable tower was considered a "mini computer" ... hell, I think it was a friggin' VAX.
And the desktop PC was considered a "micro-computer".
Now we have this mini-micro computer called a mini-computer.
This is all very complicated. :-P
The Chinese OEMs produce what they called a mini-PC, basically the ARM version or original of the Intel Compute Stick. So that's your mini-microcomputer.
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So, I remember when a fairly sizable tower was considered a "mini computer" ... hell, I think it was a friggin' VAX.
A VAX-11/780 at 5 MHz and up to 8 MB? [wikipedia.org] This ARM SoC is more than competitive at 700 MHz, 512 MB.
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Allow me to predict the comments (Score:5, Insightful)
"Why isn't it more powerful, I can get a Beaglebone/Banana Pi/Intel board for just a little more money with a faster processor"
"Why isn't it less powerful, the Arduino is more efficient"
"Why can't I have exactly what I imagine in my head for an impossibly small amount of money"
"It doesn't have ethernet/wifi/component video/USB hub so is therefore useless"
"The video code isn't free therefore IT IS PURE EVIL"
A computer as a magazine cover freebie is pretty cool...
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Let me add a legit complain. They only have one USB port, and ethernet/harddisk will have to share it. It means it would suck as an NAS server. For $5 it would be a cool throwaway card for various projects though, like you know a intelligent garden lighting or whatever.
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Let me add a legit complain. They only have one USB port, and ethernet/harddisk will have to share it.
The fact's there's no built-in Ethernet interface is a legitimate complaint, but the performance issue is the same on the original Rasperry Pi, whose onboard Ethernet interface is actually a USB device sharing a USB hub with the external USB connectors.
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Part of it is simply a matter of dongle-count. Yes, ethernet is absolutely needed; yes, the connector should be right there, physically secure. No, USB dongles to provide ethernet won't ever be on my list of things I'm excited to do.
It would be better - a lot better - if there was actual, reliable ethernet hardware on there, and I'd be more than happy to pay a few bucks for it.
The ethernet on the other PI's is not particularly reliable, and that, in my case, is the downfall of the whole enterprise. I have f
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I don't consider the ethernet on the Pi to be suitable for any mission-critical feature. That's why I'm actually excited about this version of the Pi. In the past I have criticized the poor USB support (which is also the poor ethernet support) and the lack of RAM. But if you're not expecting ethernet then the bad ethernet isn't a problem, and the lack of RAM isn't really a problem in the ultra-miniature space where this product exists. I expect it to become the new de facto standard for flight controllers b
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The ethernet on other Pis *is* an ethernet dongle.
Look at the board. The processor has an onboard USB interface, one port. On the A, that interface goes to the USB port - that's why it only has one. On the B, it goes to the extra chip that the A doesn't have. That chip is a combined USB hub and USB-ethernet interface. The ethernet and two USB ports connect up to that, and it in turn connects to the processor's one USB interface.
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It would be better - a lot better - if there was actual, reliable ethernet hardware on there, and I'd be more than happy to pay a few bucks for it.
Odroid C1+ [hardkernel.com] does it a lot better for a few more bucks. OK, quite a lot more bucks, but it's much better all round. Actually the new RPi could cram WiFi on the board in less space than an Ethernet connector, which would be good enough for most of its networking needs but I suspect add too much to the cost.
The ethernet on the other PI's is not particularly reliable, and that, in my case, is the downfall of the whole enterprise. I have four pis. They all drop their ethernet connections from time to time. It's beyond annoying.
I must be very lucky as I have one which is on 24/7 as a home mail/backup/DNS server. Though it's slow for USB sharing reasons described above, it's run for over 2 years without problems. (touch wood...)
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No they dont, but many do require communication with each other or with a master computer/controller. Ethernet is the easiest way to do this.
yes, you need to broaden your thinking
And you need to listen to your own advice.
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Any more stupid questions?
Yes. When connecting the board on my cat's harness to a network would you recommend letting the cat drag the ethernet cable behind it or should I program a drone to hover above the cat and route the cable via that?
Could you also advise on a drone silent enough to not distract the cat or its prey?
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Serial comms from the GPIO - link it up to a model B [other end points are available] via pppd and you have a fairly reasonable link speed
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Let me add a legit complain. They only have one USB port, and ethernet/harddisk will have to share it. It means it would suck as an NAS server. For $5 it would be a cool throwaway card for various projects though, like you know a intelligent garden lighting or whatever.
Exactly. The Pi is not a replacement for a computer (though the fact that you can manage to use it as a cheap replacement for a computer is a bonus). It's job is to get the bits there. That's all. Say you were just using the Pi to serve stuff straight from RAM, so your USBHDD / USBNIC contention wouldn't be an issue. Even at the $5 price point, and assuming you could use all 512MB of RAM to serve memcached, it would still be cheaper to just add a 2GB of RAM to your server for $15. It does not make s
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Didn't Broadcomm release source code for the video hardware (albeit not for the same chip as in the Pi but a different related chip?)
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Free CD? In my day it was free cassettes with a demo that will take longer to load than to play...
It came true.... (Score:3)
Back in the 90s I joked that computers would become so ubiquitous that they would some away when buying a box of laundry powder.... not far away now...
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*give some away
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We're already there...
http://www.amazon.com/Tide-Pod... [amazon.com]
Not meant to be a good device but to undercut CHIP (Score:3, Insightful)
As is, this Raspberry is quite useless... You need to add
- a SD card
- some header
- an USB Hub
- Some adapters (micro-USB to USB host, HDMI)
- Some network dongle (Wifi or RJ45)
- You can use the video composite output... but you don't have any sound output so video composite is rather useless and you need to use more expensive HDMI monitors
When you add all these hidden costs, you get a price similar to Raspberry 1 or 2... in a much less practical form.
They stripped the card of everything possible to reach that 5$ price tag... which make me think that they wanted to undercut the C.H.I.P. which is going out in a couple of month and will be 9$...
Useless product... Microcontrollers (AVR/PIC/...) or conventionnal Raspberry/BBB/... are much more useful.
Re:Not meant to be a good device but to undercut C (Score:5, Informative)
As is, this Raspberry is quite useless... You need to add
- a SD card
$2
some header
No. No I don't. I can solder direct. For my application, that's actually more useful to me.
an USB Hub
If I even use the USB functionality at all, I shall use it to connect perhaps one device. Therefore, I only need some micro USB connectors. I got five minis for two bucks, I'm sure micro connectors are plenty cheap. Or I can pop the USB connectors right off the boards, and just solder magnet wire to the pads. I only wish they had brought in power on an unpopulated header connector instead of on a usb connector which I'm going to have to desolder.
Some adapters (micro-USB to USB host, HDMI)
I don't need the HDMI. If I use the GPU at all, it'll be for computing and not for video output. Already discussed the USB adapter issue, which for me is a non-issue.
Useless product... Microcontrollers (AVR/PIC/...) or conventionnal Raspberry/BBB/... are much more useful.
You can use this to do precisely what you do with a microcontroller; this is going to replace Arduino for a lot of uses.
The real problem is going to be actually getting them for $5. element14 is sold out and wants $13.50 for one even if they had one!
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Two of the pins (+5V and any GND) on the 40-pin connector can be used to supply power instead of going through the USB port. That's what I did with my beer-fridge controller [alfter.us]: power for the whole system comes through the barrel connector on the 1-Wire/I2C interface board in the middle of the stack.
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Two of the pins (+5V and any GND) on the 40-pin connector can be used to supply power instead of going through the USB port. That's what I did with my beer-fridge controller: power for the whole system comes through the barrel connector on the 1-Wire/I2C interface board in the middle of the stack.
Guess I shoulda looked at the pinout before leaving that comment. What do you need for I2C? Is it more than some resistors? Hmm, I looked and it seems you just connect up the pins [instructables.com]. Internal pullups? on-board? Leaves it to external? I am way too lazy to hunt through the docs to find out. Did you put in some fuses or something? My experience with I2C is so far limited to connecting Arduinos to IMUs and so on. Also did the SPI sdcard thing there with the sdfat lib. Hooray for electronic tinkertoys.
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Re:Not meant to be a good device but to undercut C (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not useless as is. If you have one specific task for the Pi then you wont need a lot of that stuff. Why pay for ethernet if you wont be using it? Sure this isn't for everyone but I can see things it would be usefull for and I know at 5 bucks a pop it'll wind up doing a lot of things.
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This isn't aimed at those applications. It's aimed firmly at embedded - situations where you need a bit more processing power than an arduino can provide, or a real operating system. It has the essentials for that: GPIO, UART and USB. You might hook up a monitor and keyboard for development or configuration, but they won't be connected in general use.
Maybe you only need a USB wifi adapter (Score:2)
The submitter is obnoxious (Score:3)
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If you're considering putting "dude" in your submission, turn off your internet and go live in a hole instead. Though you may already have done that if you think you can go to Radio Shack to get anything you can solder on, to, or with.
Whoa, back up dude. Nothing wrong with using the term of endearment "dude". It's a time honored way of addressing someone politely. For example, if I didn't use the term "dude" I might say things like "cumquat, shit for brains, twat, fucker, shithead, dumbfuck or the time honored "cunt". Instead I and others use the term "dude" because we are either in front of children or just being polite.
Remember that next time you complain about someone calling you dude, dude.
Needs Ethernet (Score:3, Insightful)
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i'm also can't believe the comments :).
when i saw this i ordered some dirt cheap usb wifi adapters from china (that are raspberry compatible) 2$ a piece or so, i'll order some raspbery pi zero's asap (and chip too once the become available), and i've got some fun projects in mind where the ram & processing power of the arduino likes isn't enough, and wifi connectivity would be nice
i've basically been counting down until i could lay my hands on micro pc's like this to do some fun embedded projects around
Sadly, still no Wifi/Bluetooth (Score:2)
First, I want to applaud this achievement. 5$ for a little computer with a 40-pin with 26 GPIO is quite amazing in term of capacity. They are getting real closer to get a price tag low enough so it'll enter the manufacturing of some SMBs. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing those into some toys or drone real soon because it just cut the development time drastically.
But I'm saddened that it still doesn't come with WiFi. The ESP8266 is a good example on how cheap and small it could be. You could scrap
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In my mind, the ultimate RaspPi would
not exist because its manufacturing costs would push it out of competition, and most users would be paying for stuff they are not using
fail, fail, fail
How exactly?
Are you saying that...
-The price of an inboard Wifi Bluetooth would be that high? (I've saw chip under 1$ for both case)
-USB-C cost too much? (I saw some connector at 3$ each but I expect it'll drop soon enough and we're talking about replacing current connector that cost money)
-The 3.5mm connector would cost too much? (Please)
-All aditional GPIO feature would cost so much? (Granted, analogic GPIO would be a challenge. But most other feature cost nearly nothing in term of component.)
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When the selling price of the whole board is only 5$, adding two ICs for 0.50~1.00$ each just increased your BOM drastically.
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When the selling price of the whole board is only 5$, adding two ICs for 0.50~1.00$ each just increased your BOM drastically.
As you may have noticed, 5$ price point was not in my list for the ultimate Pi. And I'm quite sure people won't mind paying 6-7$ for the same board with, let's say, the Wifi/bluetooth/3.5mm/UpgradedGPIO.
Not actually available now (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is element14 still in business?
SBC, RASPBERRY PI ZERO
[generic broken product image]
Image is for illustrative purposes only. Please refer to product description Manufacturer: RASPBERRY-PI
Mfg Part No: RASPBERRYPI-ZERO
Price: $23.17 (Price is before tax)
Out of Stock
Price: $13.50 (Price is before tax)
0 ship now
So in short, the product is not immediately available (it's sold out in the Swag shop also) and when it is, it won't be $5 unless you order it direct. And then, if you don't live in the UK, you'll have to pay an assload of shipping.
Where can I buy R-Pi in a B&M store in the USA, so that I can actually get it for $5? And when will it actually be available?
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are you gonna cry and throw a tantrum if you can't have it RIGHT NOW or are you going to understand the reality of the supply pipeline
Actually, I'm going to complain about how Eben, Liz, and the Pi Foundation in general set unrealistic expectations. For example, Liz demonstrating Android ICS on the Pi and then never releasing the code, nor an explanation for why not (probably Broadcom contractual bullshit) or now Eben claiming that the Pi Zero is immediately available when it is not immediately available. Why do they have to tell lies? Why can't "coming soon" be good enough?
Now, why can't you demonstrate even the minuscule amount of coura
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it was immediately available, you just were too late (and so was this article :p)
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it was immediately available, you just were too late (and so was this article :p)
Even assuming that was true, it wasn't immediately available for $5 anywhere in the world, unless you got it "free" with a magazine nobody should want because better information is always available online. Why not just wait to announce immediate availability until more than a handful of people can get it immediately? It wouldn't cost anything to just tell it like it is instead of inflating the story to look good.
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yes it was, at least at pihut you could opt for not going with the package, and just get the pi zero for the stated price.
and they probably had a few thousand pieces available, with only 1 per customer allowed, so i don't know what you call a handful of people...
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It was 5$USD at Adafruit, there was 43 units left after I received the notification email. After seeing the nearly 11$USD shipping cost to Canada, I removed it from my cart. There was only four units left. I reloaded the page once more, they were all gone.
All of this happened within about three minutes.
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You do realise how you lose credibility when you accuse people of lying when you have no evidence that is the case? Have you never heard of popular products selling out? You sound like an entitled arse when you demand everything must be available for your personal use immediately. Earlier in this very thread people have reported getting theirs, so patently it was available.
Goliaths like Google and Apple struggle to get the right amount of stock on release day, because predicting demand is hard, let alone a
New meaning of mini-computer (Score:4, Informative)
To me, "mini-computer" still means something that only requires two or three 6' cabinets - as opposed to a mainframe, which needs a whole room full.
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Go ahead, tell the kids to get off your lawn.
About that... (Score:2)
Does anybody know of a place where you can *still* get one? Or get on a waiting list or something?
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http://www.adafruit.com/produc... [adafruit.com]
I was about to order one, but the shipping cost to Canada is more than twice the price of the RPiZ itself.
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Well, I was on the "notify me" email list.
When I loaded the page, there was 43 units in stock.
When I checked again after writing my reply to you, there was 5 units in stock.
One page reload later, it's out of stock. Sorry.
CHIP seems like the better deal (Score:5, Insightful)
The CHIP has WiFi, Bluetooth, and 4Gbytes of NAND built in, all things you need to add to the Raspberry Pi.
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Prefer a USB wifi dongle that I can have on a long cable and the antenna to poke outside the housing that the RPi is in..
Re:More use if it had some network connection (Score:4, Interesting)
Hard to see how it can be useful for IoT
Let's give the folks at Raspberry some credit. It appears they are much smarter than the morons jumping on the IoT security nightmare bandwagon.
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I give the folks as Raspberry credit for giving the computer away for nearly free, but then making a fortune off of the "accessories" necessary to make it work ;-)
But I'm still dreaming of building a beowulf cluster of these so they can run a micro-cloud of docker containers with services offloaded from my little ION server.
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Underrated. No Ethernet, no buy.
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Meh, USB ethernet is faster than the built-in 100TX port on the Pi B+ / Pi 2. So buy a USB ethernet adapter.
I'm actually a bit surprised no one has started selling USB network switches without CAT5 or RJ-45 connectors (well, maybe one for the uplink).
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Meh, USB ethernet is faster than the built-in 100TX port on the Pi B+ / Pi 2. So buy a USB ethernet adapter.
I'm actually a bit surprised no one has started selling USB network switches without CAT5 or RJ-45 connectors (well, maybe one for the uplink).
Oh, I meant to include a link with that... http://www.midwesternmac.com/b... [midwesternmac.com]
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The built in ethernet on the other Pi's is a usb ethernet adapter.
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Yep, but it's a 100TX USB adapter. The guy in the link that I forgot to include plugged in a GbE USB adapter and manage to push 220Mbps
http://www.midwesternmac.com/b... [midwesternmac.com]
Not bad, compared to, say, the odroid C1 which has a built-in GbE port but people have reported only being able to push ~270Mbps through it.
So cutting the crappy 100TX USB adapter integrated in the Raspberry Pi A to get it to the $5 price point is probably for the best, since now you just throw on exactly whatever USB NIC you really need, wh
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It was a chip that combined both a usb hub and ethernet adapter. Hence the single port on this cheap one - the SoC only has one.
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that's my biggest gripe about most these mini computers, you give me a ethernet port with magnetics but wifi is not an option (pcduino does it the other way around)
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It does have USB. Also, this mini-model doesn't have ethernet. There's no reason you can't use a USB-ethernet adaptor. That's how the Pi B works. The second chip on the circuit board is a combined ethernet interface a USB hub. It's a nice chip, aside from being a real power hog and the reason the B draws almost twice the power of the A.
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there's also no reason for me to not catch a pcduino on sale for 26$ that has wifi onboard, and its still faster
I dunno why there is such a fanbase of the pi as there are better SBC's out there
Re:More use if it had some network connection (Score:5, Informative)
Different applications. Of course the pcduino is more capable - it's more than ten times the price. There's a wide spectrum of tiny computing devices available. There are the absolutely tiny PICs, the slightly more powerful and much more developer-friendly arduinos, then the Pis, then higher-power devices like the pcduino, and beyond that mini-ITX PC boards with Atom processors. With a variety of interfaces and capabilities. You just pick whichever one fits your application. If you need a 'proper OS' to run something like image processing or interface to USB peripherals, then Pi Zero is about the tiniest and lowest-power controller you'll find for the task. It's certainly the cheapest.
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Even at $5, it wouldn't supplant the Arduino for projects where using a micro-controller is simpler. If you need the horsepower, then it would be fantastic. But shooting firmware to a micro-controller will always be simpler than setting up a Linux application on a Raspberry Pi.
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You can go smaller still. The PIC chips are even smaller than an arduino. They are even smaller than a bare atmega, because an atmega needs a regulated power supply, and a PIC has a much wider input voltage tolerance.
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Indeed. And if you want fast interrupts, reliability and real-time performance, using an Arduino and custom code is far better, as it is massively simpler ans still possible to understand in its details.
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Arduino has some advantages :
- cheaper (nano/pro clones are at less than 3$)
- lower power consumption
- both digital AND ANALOG pins
- exists in both 3v3 AND 5V (which is hobbyist friendlier)
- easier to begin computing (good libraries support, no need for that awful langage (IMHO) that is Python, we even have ardublock or mblock to make native visual (scratch-like) programming)
For connected projects, ESP8266 may be the way to go... lots of flash space, decent number of I/O and still cost lower than RaspZero.
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It REALLY depends what your application for it is. For controlling things or reading a sensor? Arduino all the way. Media center or retro gaming emulation console? Not a chance, Pi all the way.
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As Half-pint HAL says, it's not underpowered. It's got 40% more raw juice than the first gen Pi, which I used as an XBMC media center running 1080p content just fine. In fact better than most of the commerical media players (like WDTV, etc) at the time could do.
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Since when are viruses useful?
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The previous Raspberry Pi models are already smaller than pico-ITX.
And this new Raspberry Pi Zero is roughly half the size of a Raspberry Pi model A+ which itself is a bit shorter than a Raspberry Pi 2.