$9 Open Source Computer Blows Past Crowdfunding Goal 180
An anonymous reader writes: A team of engineers and artists has launched a Kickstarter campaign for C.H.I.P., a small computer that costs $9. The campaign met and far exceeded its $50,000 goal on the first day. The device runs an R8 ARM CPU clocked at 1 GHz, 512 MB of RAM, and 4GB of storage. It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and runs a version of Debian. The price was enabled by two things: super-cheap Chinese tablets pushing down processor costs, and support from manufacturer Allwinner to make it even cheaper. The team is also building breakout boards for VGA and HDMI connections, as well as one with a tiny LCD screen, keyboard, and battery. Importantly, "all hardware design files schematic, PCB layout and bill of materials are free for you the community to download, modify and use."
Not $9 (Score:5, Funny)
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It is $7 Canadian.
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9 USD = 10.88 CAD [google.com]
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Seems like a weak Loonie benefits Canadian manufacturing, not only with Canada's trade with the US, but EU as well.
It's better to have a job at all than to have the few people with jobs have better buying power.
no $8 (Score:2)
No 8 minute abs. You can't get abs in 7 minutes. Don't be rediculous.
Does that price include a power adapter, wifi adapter, and case? If so I might buy it an use those parts for my Rasberry Pi. If not then those will cost more than the "computer".
So this thing is basically a cheaper Rasberry PI without all the I/O features?
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itd be nice if it booted and auto joined your wifi network. Then you could ssh and really only NEED to buy a power adapter. We'll see what they come up with.
This board is perfect for a few projec
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Out of curiosity, what projects are you thinking you'll do that need reasonable audio quality?
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Out of curiosity, what projects are you thinking you'll do that need reasonable audio quality?
Some custom build network music players. R- Pi has crappy audio and costs too much. I don't need super hi grade, but reasonably good. This might be so cheap I could just add a USB DAC. I then just use a Lepai amp or similar and some decent speakers and you can make some pretty good sounding stuff. If I get the internals works out, I'll pick up some antique radio boxes or build something with nice wood and give as gifts to family.
I also have some LED lighting ideas for my TV room, but arduino type boards
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the lighting projects tend to get started but never finish
Amen to the that. Might change "lighting projects" to just "many of my electronics projects..." ;-). The only audio-related project I've done is an arduino controlled magnetically-levitated record playing with a friend of mine as a gift for his sister's wedding, but it didn't come out all that great. Overly-complex combined with lack of knowledge, funds, and time. Shoulda kept it simple (stupid).
Re:no $8 (Score:4, Informative)
Wifi b/g/n AP|client, bluetooth 4, and a battery charge controller(easy UPS) are onboard, as are 8 digital GPIO, 1 PWM, and a parallel LCD output(it has an HDMI converter, but I wouldn't expect 1080p)
No power or case for the $9 version. No ethernet on any of them, looks like.
Re:no $8 (Score:5, Funny)
I agree that 8 is better. It's like infinity taking a nap.
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The $9 does not include a power adapter or battery. It can be powered from USB so any standard USB charger should work as a power source. They are selling batteries if you want to go that way. It also does not include a case.
WiFi is built into the board. So is Bluetooth. But no wired Ethernet.
Yes, in a way it's a cheaper Raspberry Pi. Overall it's comparable to the original Pi - pluses are a faster CPU and built-in WiFi and Bluetooth, the big minus is no built-in HDMI. It falls short of the power of the Pi
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... but we shouldn't expect a $9 computer to be as powerful as a $35 computer.
The 1975 me just thinks this is really funny.
We are truly living in the future. $35 computers? $9 computers? Bring it!
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i'm curious how you reach that conclusion. it seems like as long as you plan on using hdmi the specs and price are comparable to an Rpi A which sells for $25. two differences are the wifi and built in storage which are extra on rpi. on the otherhand 4gb is kinda small if you want to call it PC the Rpi is supported better in hardware, software, drivers, and is proven. (how much is your time worth?) it looks to me like the shields for this consume the io pins as well.
http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]
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Why would you automatically assume that it would usually be coupled with an expansion board costing 67% more than the device itself? I'm comparing it to the Compute Module, becasue that was the stripped-down Pi which was announced as JUST the CPU, 4GB flash, and 512MB ram, delivered on a notebook RAM form factor, designed for relatively easy usage of a Pi-compatible SOC for embedded projects.
Plus the article explicitly mentions that they designed this thing in response to deciding that the CM wasn't actual
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Honestly I'm somewhat puzzled about the expected use-case of the CM
Same here. People talk about using it for prototyping embedded systems, but as the Broadcom chip on the Pi is only available in massive bulk, you end up with a prototype that doesn't accurately model the performance of the final product. The Allwinner A13, though, is almost a commodity part, and I'm not surprised they're giving Next Thing help here: if this gets established as the hobbyist prototyping platform, by next year it'll start appearing as the core chip in more and more new devices being launched v
Re:Not $9 (Score:5, Funny)
$9 is too much.
It would have been cheaper, but (as per TFA) it
runs a flavor of Debain* Linux
So they had to up the hardware specs in order to support Systemd
* Although they may have been better off spending that extra money on a proof reader.
9 rings (Score:5, Funny)
actually no
7 were for dwarf lords in their halls of stone
this $9 is for mortal men doomed to die
in the land of silicon where transistors lie
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8 is good too for Chinese. ;)
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The handheld vers
Re:Not $9 (Score:4, Interesting)
Who needs a display? For small job, low power ARM servers and embedded controllers that need more power than an Arduino can supply, this thing looks nice.
All the display hardware in the RPi and Beaglebone does for me is waste power and drive up the cost.
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I have a few RPi's dedicated to servers and monitoring various things. None of them use a display port. I access them all using ssh over WiFi. This would be a good drop in replacement for these projects.
Right now I use a RPi ($35) plus WiFi dongle ($10). With this, $9.
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Really not. Who uses composite video nowadays? Realistically it is $19 or $24 for the VGA and HDMI respectively, especially in the use cases illustrated in the o-so-funny-and-games video.
Compare this with the Raspberry Pi line and the reason for C.H.I.P to exist is nowhere to be found.
Maybe a competitor for some Arduino use-cases. Maybe.
Agreed. It's bait and switch. "Hey $9 computer.... oh you want better than 480 resolution? Well that's another $10! Oh you want to connect to a modern HDTV? That's another $5".
And honestly, at these low specs, I could buy a used 1ghz, 512 mb, 4gb desktop PC for about $25 and it would have VGA and at least be able to run some flavor of Windows and be upgradeable.
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Really not. Who uses composite video nowadays?
No on-board HDMI because they expect a lot of people to want to run it headless, but because the composite video is essentially a freebie (it doesn't require all the chippery of a VGA or HDMI port), it's cheaper to add it to the full production run than to have it as an optional extra. So why not include it? At times things will go wrong, and you may need to look inside -- so think of it as a diagnostics port, if you like.
Realistically it is $19 or $24 for the VGA and HDMI respectively, especially in the use cases illustrated in the o-so-funny-and-games video.
... which aren't really the intended use cases, are they? It's just hard to demonstrat
Re:$29, not $9 (Score:4, Informative)
Pretty amazing, but not much cheaper than RPi (Score:5, Insightful)
This is pretty amazing if they can actually sell those for $9. Definitely one of the better kickstarters I've seen recently, so I am glad to see its successful.
However, once you add the HDMI, it's essentially the same price as a raspberry pi model A.
Re:Pretty amazing, but not much cheaper than RPi (Score:5, Insightful)
However, once you add the HDMI, it's essentially the same price as a raspberry pi model A.
But a heck of a lot cheaper than an rPi plus WiFi dongle plus BT 4.0 dongle and I'm sure it uses way less power (you generally can't run both wireless dongles without a powered USB hub. I'm working on a hub for my BT LE thermometer (ET-735) and it turned out to be cheaper to buy a Moto E or Allwinner based tablet than to add all the components to an rPi, which is just insane to me considering the non-rPi solutions added storage, a screen, a battery, and case to the BOM, oh and the Moto E would be considerably smaller.
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Oops! I even saw that it had that wireless module on the PCB. Good catch.
Re:Pretty amazing, but not much cheaper than RPi (Score:4, Informative)
Your comparison is flawed. The Raspberry Pi doesn't have Wifi, Bluetooth, or any onboard storage. By the time you add those three things to the Pi, C.H.I.P. will still be less than half the price (even with the HDMI board).
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It really all depends on your purpose. I can see these used headless for all kinds of things. Low power projects will line up. If you want a PC then you can pick up one off the curb more powerful than this or the pi. I see them thrown out all the time. I picked up a core2duo laptop for 25 dollars the other day with 2 gigs of ram. The battery only lasts about 10 minutes but it works good running makulu linux. It's all according to the purpose you have.
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This is pretty amazing if they can actually sell those for $9. Definitely one of the better kickstarters I've seen recently, so I am glad to see its successful.
However, once you add the HDMI, it's essentially the same price as a raspberry pi model A.
As long as it has a USB port, digital GPIO and an on board A/D chip. The A/D chip would be optional if the thing has a I2C connector but it would be a nice touch. I don't care about the HDMI. I use these things for all manner of gadget projects because I'm not familiar with the industry standard embedded boards, Arduino is to simple for my needs and I'm a Unix developer so I know Linux and just being able to add a web-server with a single apt-get call is heaven compared to computers in this category. Being
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It looks like it has an onboard LiPo charger and connector, but I'm not sure if it's integrated enough to be able to shutdown gracefully. Since it's based on a phone SoC, it probably is.
I agree about the lack of HDMI, too. I'll never use it and it shaves off considerable cost and space.
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However, once you add the HDMI, it's essentially the same price as a raspberry pi model A.
If you are interested in the HDMI, you're doing it wrong. Did you see the picture where it's about the size of a standard LiPo? If they provide these things for the stated price, you're basically getting an ESP2866 with a built-in computer for only 3X the price.
Meta (Score:2)
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StartKicker?
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This is pretty amazing if they can actually sell those for $9. Definitely one of the better kickstarters I've seen recently, so I am glad to see its successful.
However, once you add the HDMI, it's essentially the same price as a raspberry pi model A.
I remember when I could get a Timex Sinclair for $100 and I thought that was the best thing ever. Never did buy one, so I guess maybe I should buy one of these? =)
It's cool that we've gotten to the point that we can have cheap computing hardware for whatever the fuck we want. And compact.
$9 for parts or the entire unit. (Score:2, Insightful)
Ok you got the parts cheap.
Then you need to put it together.
Then you need to package it.
Then you need to advertise it.
Then you need to ship it.
You have to pay taxes on your profit.
You need to pay for the people managing this process.
If there is a failure rate you will have returns that you need to refund.
All in all you are probably up to $30-$40 for a unit. This is still a good price, but it is comparable to a Raspberry Pi.
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Ok more to the point.
A product cost more than the sum of its parts.
Even if you are a not for profit. Selling it at cost is still more than the sum of the cost of the parts.
I love the Pocket Chip flavor (Score:2, Insightful)
I love the Pocket Chip flavor - already pledget for two piece set. I was looking for something similar for Raspi but couldn't find any decent enclosure with integrated input, display and battery in slick case. Also integated wifi and bluetooth are very nice.
The $9 basic board comes without any display port but the modular aproach in which you can add VGA or HDMI via addon board is IMHO better than all-in-one Raspi - the board is cheaper that way and you can own only one display adapter and use it in multipl
$20 shipping? (Score:2)
OK, so it's a $30 board. The problem is $79 get's you a Windows 8.1 x86 tablet.
Lame. (Score:2, Funny)
Has wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
Post-scarcity society kicking in. (Score:3)
Said it roughly 15 years ago already here on slashdot:
We're smack in the middle of a transition to a post-scarcity cyberpunk society. A throw-away end-user PC for 9$ is basically exactly that.
Computers aren't the deal anymore. Who can operate them, how do I connect x to y to z and how do I migrate data from a to b - that's what this is all about. I can hardly be bothered to replace my 4.5 year old HTC Desire HD Smartphone because it's already basically a supercomputer in my pocket. With a replacable battery - which most of todays smartphones don't have.
The fact that I would like a bigger screen and that the browser with Android 2.3 Gingerbread is starting to have problems with todays website might actually just get me to do it. I would love to have a convergence device though - one that can act as my desktop as soon as I plug it into its cradle. ... Maybe I should really wait for that new Ubuntu phone to come out ...
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Why are you using the Android browser instead of Firefox or Chrome?
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Because Firefox or Chrome would run like crap on something as low end as a Desire HD, not enough ram or CPU. The best browser for something that old is Opera Classic or maybe Dolphin.
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agree, but not so much about 'migrate data from a to b' because a redundant 2TB is not that cheap and if you go cheaper, you go with lousy, small and slow flash (USB, SD).
Bandwith is similar if you pay for it (e.g. 360 euros per year for DSL, or similar for limited 4G)
I could get by with a computer with single core, 256MB RAM and 4TB storage (can play a lot of audio/video)
a good PC from 1999 costs $0, you can add a PCI controller card and two 2TB hard drives ; a junk iphone only has 8GB or 16GB ; a single b
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When you say post-scarcity in other words you are saying abundance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
In this video it's explained how the price of solar power is on a similar Moore's law-track like a lot of electronics.
And if you have cheap solar power, you have cheap power, when you have cheap power can convert salt/unclean water to clean water cheaply. When you have cheap water and power you can grow food pretty darn cheaply.
What they didn't know when they made the video is that energy storage is also on a
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The fact that I would like a bigger screen and that the browser with Android 2.3 Gingerbread is starting to have problems with todays website might actually just get me to do it.
Bigger screens are overrated. As for the rest, just install Android 5.1 [xda-developers.com],
allwinner is a big time gpl violator (Score:4, Informative)
https://linux-sunxi.org/GPL_Violations
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Allwinner-GPL-Violate-Proof
why are we enabling them and encouraging them?
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They are learning:
allwinner-zh [github.com]
Are any of the other SoC vendors any better?
No, it is not open. No, it is not $9. (Score:5, Interesting)
"Importantly, "all hardware design files schematic, PCB layout and bill of materials are free for you the community to download, modify and use."
I guess you people have never heard of Allwinner, a fairly serial GPL violator. They're also pretty hostile towards the OSS community.
No Linux device tree that I can tell, which means no support for shit.
Oh, also - $9 computer with $20 shipping cost? That's the oldest eBay scam in the book. That thing only weighs a couple of ounces at most - $5 maximum even WITH insurance.
Re:No, it is not open. No, it is not $9. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:No, it is not open. No, it is not $9. (Score:4)
The shipping is $5 for people in the US.
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The shipping even over seas for that absurdly low weight is no fucking more than $5.
Source: I sold LED panels and shipped them globally. Those things weighed POUNDS and didn't cost more than $15 to ship from USA to Australia.
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Good old khyber who has worked in every job, learnt everything and done everything.
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And has the tax documentation to prove it!
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What's more, copyrights and licenses have very little relevance in the Chinese culture, it's regarded as "a western thing".
Their target market is very much a "western thing" too.
We still benefit from it though, because it's their lack of such preoccupations that gives us such cheap gear.
The guy who lacks preoccupations about ripping off delivery trucks sells cheap gear down the pub.
They might even be acting more sensibly about this "imaginary property" stuff than we are, who knows. History will tell.
...aaaaaaand now we get to the point: you don't believe in protecting the copyrights that created the industries that invented the cheap stuff in the first place. There will be no new stuff if the people who put the time and energy into making it don't have their rights respected.
Shipping ! (Score:2)
I went to the Kickstarter page with the intent of buying one. But then I found that shipping the $9 board to anywhere except the US starts at $20. So the price just tripled !
So it looks like I'll wait until I can order it directly from china, with no detour through the US, with free shipping.
$9 my ass (Score:2)
Let's add it up, shall we?
$9 for the board
$15 for the HDMI board so you can actually hook it up to a monitor
$20 shipping
Total: $44
At that point you're better off getting a Pi. More performance, more support/accessories, more ports, more everything.
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$20 is international shipping, US is $5, not every project needs HDMI, and this board includes WiFi and BT 4.0 which are expensive and bulky when adding to an rPi plus it includes storage.
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Oh sure, the Pi has lots of additional expenses, but the Chip has a lot of the same ones too, and some things (like USB power) most people probably already have. I'm sure by now everybody has tons of USB phone chargers, those work fine for the Pi.
Where the money really is (Score:2)
Clearly, the cost of computing isn't in the chips or the PCB design. It's in the device enclosures. Tooling costs for nice enclosures are expensive even if you do have them made in China and 3D printing isn't quite mature enough to make short-run production-quality parts.
Money is in Kickstarter campaigns (Score:3)
Chip is near reality. There is a working prototype
I'll believe the $9 price tag after they actually go to market.
and runs a version of Debian. (Score:2)
runs a version of Debian.
What does that mean? From the official Debian wiki [debian.org]:
Porting to new platforms
Unlike x86, each and every arm platform boots in a slightly different way. Thus, most of work of getting Debian running will involve dealing with bootloader and Kernel. Which is not really debian-specific work. After that, people can start working porting debian-installer for the system in question.
Something tells me that we have another weirdo ARM board with its own "Debian" distro, joining the disarray ranks of dozen others: poorly supported, barely maintained, and soon forgotten.
Considering the total amount of effort invested (and wasted) by developers into building the custom distros, I'm surprised (and disappointed) that nobody has actually stepped up, organized and standardized booting/etc on the ARM SoC yet. (IMO ARM Ltd itself should have do
Missing: Cell transmitter (Score:2)
If this had a cell reciever/transmitter I'd be sold. Of course, it'd then be $400 for no apparently logical reason.
Arduino territory (Score:2)
That's truly all over Arduino's territory price-wise, it's hard to knock off even a chipduino cheaper than that. If you need more horsepower and/or wireless with your GPIO, it seems kind of a no-brainer.
How much hardware is on the VGA breakout? Does it actually have caps and whatnot on it or could you replicate it with just some jumper wires and a through-hole VGA connector?
As long as you can install your own OS, sure. (Score:2)
Slashdot whines again (Score:5, Insightful)
Are you all nuts? This is an incredible price performance point. Yet all I see is nit picking: it can't do this, it doesn't run that, the "real' price is X (what about SHIPPING!!!), the Raspberry Pi is the same only better, etc. What the hell do you expect for $9? A cold six pack and a back massage?
Speaking of the R Pi, if you go back and look at the responses to those announcements, you see the same kind of mindless bitching. The complaints are similar: t doesn't do enough, It's overpriced for what it does, it should be cheaper, more things should be optional, etc. Pretty much the same crap. Yet here the R Pi is the gold standard, and this board sucks. Make up you damned minds.
No matter what anybody comes up with, it's wrong. Have any of the legions of critics done anything even remotely like this? Of course not. They're all just sitting in their parents basement sniping at people who get stuff done. It sounds bunch of pathetic losers who knock everyone else down so they can try and feel superior. It's a disgusting display.
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And yet a graphing calculator with a fraction of the power will still run you $109.
Re:Unbelievable. (Score:5, Insightful)
In defense of the calculator - it has an included screen, dedicated custom keyboard, custom slim case, battery life measured in months if not years, etc.
In non-defense of the calculator - most of its cost is not in the above, but in its certification for use in [school / university / industry] - even if not for itself, then its sibling product which is.. and when that product costs $NN, you can't very well start selling this one for $N without people cluing in.
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Moreover, any money spent on research has been paid back 15 years ago.
The situation might be different if TI didn't make all of the chips that go into it (dwindling inventories), but it's not. If it was,
Re:Unbelievable. (Score:4, Insightful)
TI-83 is a scam run on Schools, Students and Teachers. There are books written on how to do math on THIS calculator. They don't teach math, they teach math on this Calculator.
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Why wasn't my HP 12C allowed? Oh right, because the books didn't know RPN.
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Yeah, which is a good chunk more than $9 - showing that a lot of cost in a device is not really in the innards; and it still doesn't certify it for use on tests and all that jazz, where the true cost of graphing calculators normally referred to lies.
( There's certainly cheap graphing calculators as well - just can't use those in those situations. )
mathematical industrial complex (Score:2)
In defense of the calculator - it has an included screen, dedicated custom keyboard, custom slim case, battery life measured in months if not years, etc.
In non-defense of the calculator - most of its cost is not in the above, but in its certification for use in [school / university / industry] - even if not for itself, then its sibling product which is.. and when that product costs $NN, you can't very well start selling this one for $N without people cluing in.
down with the calculators of defense! it's time we end the mathematical industrial complex! they've been selling children-- children! overpriced calculators running on gameboy processors for 20 years! why can't the children just have a happy childhood? why do we have to repackage the gameboy into a torture device?
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the PocketCHIP has a screen and keyboard.
You could probably go for a few days if you were careful about sleep states and the display and used a big battery. If you chose to run on alkaline batteries instead of rechargeable you can go longer (realize that AA is about 2000mAh, while a LiPO of a similar volume is rarely more than 500mAh). eInk display instead of backlit LCD/TFT is going to make it into a pretty effective Calculator platform, but that's a fairly involved DIY project because the PocketCHIP is no
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So you're telling me it has a whole $20 worth of components?
I mean, including your very own plastic case. Impressive!
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At lea
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Texas Instruments has gotten cozy with textbook publishers and that is why you can find the TI-x line of calculators at places like Target, not because of any technical superiority.
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And it’s because we want to have a tool that kids can use in a classroom, on their way home, at home when they’re doing homework and also a tool they can bring in during their most important exam.”
hence the 'tool' part I spoke of.
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When I think about how much more power this has than my old Commodore 64, and how much cheaper it is (whether you take inflation into account or not!), it is just awesome. Mind blown.
Commodore 64s were free! Thanks Mom!
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I worked as a NASA contractor for a good while - it is widely stated at the various NASA centers that computers are why we are not in space (for a variety of reasons).
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You still need a Keyboard & Mouse, Monitor or TV
Doesn't that rather depend on the application? I need a controller to tie together a bunch of stepper motors and a GPS module. Do I need a monitor and keyboard?
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Uh, no. I doubt anyone is thinking this will be someone's only computer. Just shell in via telnet or ssh via WiFi. If a CLI is too hard for you, then setup an X server.
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For the use case you have set forth, an Android stick would be a better deal.
If you crack one open though, how easy would it be to wire up additional hardware? The CHIP has 8 GPIOs, SPI, TWI, and UART on headers.
What about using one to create a portable device? The CHIP has a battery power and charging circuit already on board.
OS's that aren't as full featured.
The CHIP runs Debian [debian.org].
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It appears to me from the kickstarter that shipping is $5 in the US.
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Yep, $5 for people in the USA, $20 for everyone else. Worse for many people that will likely push the total cost into the band where it is liable for VAT in the EU (at least if they are honest on the customs form) and the carrier will then more than likely charge me for collecting the VAT.
And they don't seem to offer any packs of multiple of the basic board to spread the cost of shipping and customs BS over more units. The only multipacks they seem to offer are of their portable device.
I guess (as a brit) I
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Basically, it looks like they didn't do any research on how much shipping would cost to other countries, and just wanted to make sure they didn't end up in the red. The problem with this is that there's places like Canada and Europe where you can most likely ship for way less that $20. I'm in Canada, and I've ordered bicycle parts from the US that weigh quite a bit more than this tiny computer, and the box would be much bigger, and still the shipping cost was $10 or less. Spending an afternoon at the post
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I might have bitten, except for this. A year in this product space is pretty large. And I'm sure DX will have a clone in their shop by July or August 2016 that's $5-6.
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The fact that you have to interact with something before seeing such basic information is a failure.
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The fact that you have to interact with something before seeing such basic information is a failure.
And would be illegal under consumer protection laws in most civilised countries....
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That's okay, SystemD will integrate your house in the next version.
Re:How reliable is it? (Score:5, Funny)
Tell me about it. A few months ago I bought a cheap USB drive that was so bad, I lost my data before copying it to the drive.