Dell's New Alienware Case Goes to Extremes To Prevent Overheating 149
MojoKid writes Dell's enthusiast Alienware brand has always stood out for its unique, other-worldly looks (sometimes good, sometimes, not so good) and there's such a thing as taking things to the next level, this might be it. However, there's more to this refresh than just shock value. It's actually a futuristic aesthetic with a rather purposeful design behind it. Today Alienware gave a sneak peek at their completely redesigned Alienware Area 51 desktop system. This refreshed system is unlike any previous Alienware rig you've seen. With a trapezoidal shape to its chassis, Dell-Alienware says you can place the Area-51 against a wall and not have to worry about thermals getting out of the control. That's because there's a controlled gap and a sharp angle to the chassis that ensures only a small part of the system actually rests near the wall, leaving extra room for hot air to escape up and away. This design also offers users easy access to rear IO ports. Despite the unique design, there's plenty of room for high end components inside. The retooled chassis can swallow up to three 300W double-wide full-length graphics cards. It also brings to the table Intel's latest and greatest Haswell-E in six-core or eight-core options, liquid cooled and nestled into Intel's X99 chipset. No word from Dell on the price but the new Area-51 is slated to start shipping in October.
Ineffective advertising (Score:4, Interesting)
Besides, I'm pretty sure the slashdot crowd builds their own rigs anyway.
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The only way this could have been more blatant of an advertisement is if they had put in a preorder link. Even if it wasn't, their "controlled gap" is just a corner that juts out so you can't push it up against the wall properly. It's just not very impressive in terms of, well, anything.
Besides, I'm pretty sure the slashdot crowd builds their own rigs anyway.
So lets tare it apparent instead:
1. It's hideously ugly
2. That vent design will make removing dust and pethair from the vents nearly impossible.
3. It's a non-standard form fact, a lot of hardware will not fit in it at all.
4. The PSU is at the bottom, heat rises, and directly above it they have the SLI video cards. This is a terrible design.
5. It's small and cramped... which I'd expect from a portable design for lan parties... but it's too awkward to carry.
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The PSU at the bottom is pretty much the standard these days.
It makes room for top vents or a radiator that way. And the heath output of the PSU is so minimal
compared to other parts that it's probably the best place for the PSU.
Re: Ineffective advertising (Score:2)
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http://www.coolermaster.com/ca... [coolermaster.com]
Antec 280:
http://www.antec.com/product.p... [antec.com]
Same deal with a high end Lian Li PC-A79:
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_p... [lian-li.com]
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Did you reply to the wrong comment? The cases you linked all have the PSU at the bottom.
Re: Ineffective advertising (Score:2)
I blame the new layout (first time here in months). I couldn't see the other comment. My bad!
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Oh really CM 690 III (it's a popular case -- they made three versions of it):
http://www.coolermaster.com/ca... [coolermaster.com]
Antec 280:
http://www.antec.com/product.p... [antec.com]
Same deal with a high end Lian Li PC-A79:
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_p... [lian-li.com]
I know they sell cases where the PSU's are at the bottom. It's a gimmick to sell cases to people that think that's a better design. It's not. The one and only benifit is the weight of the case is now at the bottom and it's less likely to tip. But heat wise, the PSU is the biggest offender in your case. It's also one of the most heat tolerant components. A good, basic, design has large fans in the PSU pulling air IN from the case and exiting the PSU out. All other fans are blowing IN to the case so all airf
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Antec cases have the PSU at the bottom, or at least the fanciest ones do.
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Antec P182 - I have it, there's almost no heat coming from the top of the PSU, and guess where does the PSU reside?
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Mine's got the PSU on bottom, [newegg.com] but it does have the intake (with a removable hair screen) on the bottom, raised pegs, and the exhaust on back. Meaning that the PSU doesn't blow hot air anywhere inside the case.
Tons of airflow on this case, even with the fans on the lowest setting my CPU fan hardly ever needs to spin fast.
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If your PSU grows heath, you need to get a dehumidifier or even consider leaving Seattle.
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Wow, festooning a computer case with weeds harmful to grains, to bring it apart. That's very novel compared to something as mundane as tearing one apart.
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1. I disagree.
2. No more then it is now. Pop open the top, and blow it out.
3. As nears as I can tell, the motherboard isn't standard, but everything else is.
4. Clearly you didn't pay attention to how it removes heat. Having the weight at the bottom is better.
5. lan parties. Cute.
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If the PSU is wasting more power than the rest of the system is actually using, then you've got bigger problems.
The PSU should be >90% efficient, which means it's producing 10% of the total heat output of the system.
Re:Ineffective advertising (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ineffective advertising (Score:4, Funny)
I'm anything BUT an Apple fan, but I think their new design for the Mac Pro [apple.com] is better looking and probably more functional from a shape perspective than this idea from Alienware. Glad to see manufacturers trying new things, but I hope they keep looking.
That thing makes me want to start smoking again so I could ash in it.
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Or a trash bin.
It's certainly.. unique looking.
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Funny how everyone called it a "trash can" ... until they saw how small it was. Then they started calling it an "ash tray".
I thought the unified thermal core was genius... until I heard that it actually runs pretty hot.
The graphics card have to be custom-made for the Mac Pro, and you can't put a mechanical drive inside, which limits performance for video editing. Yet again Apple's own overpriced accessories are the only ones that fit.
I'm not saying that the Alienware trapezoid/pentagon isn't more ridiculous
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> you can't put a mechanical drive inside, which limits performance for video editing
I think the designers made the correct decisions for video editing. SSDs are faster than mechanical drives and go inside. Most video editors also need large repositories in addition to their working set (the working set goes on internal SSD) and
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but only 1 inside slot? with no choice for raid? also no E-sata
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For that price, you can get far more powerful PCs.
In fact, you could get several PC and create a mini farm.
OTOH, it's for a graphic designer, so pretty of substance.
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Yet again Apple's own overpriced accessories are the only ones that fit.
AFAIK it is all standard stuff - USB, Thunderbolt, HDMI, etc. None of those require you to use Apple accessories.
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Re:Ineffective advertising (Score:4, Interesting)
So we should compare this announcement with the Mac Pro one. Apple had to share a slashdot article between the MacBook and the Mac Pro [slashdot.org]. There's not many complaints about slashvertisement on the mac post.
The post about the Mac appears just as positive, but it packs a lot more facts in fewer sentences, so it's arguably better. Both have their share of marketing language and fluff, but the Alienware has a lot more of it.
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I am an Apple fan, and the new Mac Pro is the first design in a long time that I haven't liked. The old aluminum enclosure looked a lot nicer. This one looks PCish to me, in spite of being round. Maybe it's the color of the plastic? I prefer my ashtrays in amber glass on a brass pedestal.
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more functional this thing has room for 3 video cars and 5 HDD's maybe even SATA express.
mac pro 2 video cards that only fit in the mac pro. 1 pci-e SSD slot and no pci-e slots.
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I thought of the Mac Pro when I saw this design, and thought "this is more what the Mac Pro should have been". Maybe not from the aesthetic perspective (maybe a bigger trash can than the current model?), but the things this system can do are far more akin to what the old cheese grater Mac Pros could do:
- accept GPU cards of the maker you choose, and upgrade them as new models come out. Or, more accurately, more PCI devices.
- accept more storage devices in the bays, or a mix of SSD and disk technologies to g
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Mind commenting about TFA and saving your useless criticism for yourself?
Besides, I'm pretty sure the slashdot crowd builds their own rigs anyway.
So what? Because you're not interested it means everyone shouldn't be? Find something/somewhere else to hate.
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The only way this could have been more blatant of an advertisement is if they had put in a preorder link.
Allow me to introduce to you the concept of a product press release. This is something given to news outlets and then they run stories on it. There are other sites that exist to aggregate the news into a common place for a common interest. I believe one of the most popular ones is called Slashdot and they aggregate articles on the likes of news in the tech industry.
If you would like more information I can continue stating the obvious for a small bitcoin donation.
Alienware's business model (Score:1)
"Against a wall" (Score:5, Informative)
In other words, it's ok to place this directly agains the wall, because the shape ensures it cannot be placed agains the wall. Well done.
Re:"Against a wall" (Score:5, Insightful)
That's actually completely accurate. Towers do tend to get placed under desks, or more commonly, in a corner where the desk meets the wall. Ventillatoin back there is crap, and the system overheats. So rather than make another case that will just generate a lot more support calls and broken harware in warranty, they just made it physically impossible to keep installing it like retard.
y'know... for their retarded customers ;)
Knowing your customer is key to a successful business.
But all sarcasm aside, I do like the new design. I'm a mac fan but I can see some thought went into this both for functionality and for original and interesting design. Even if they fail at both, at least they're trying. It's not just another boring beige / black box.
I think the biggest concern for me though would be how much floor space this is going to take up, plus how little or zero space there is to set anything on it. I don't even think you could set the keyboard aside on it without risking it falling over. And imagine the users setting drinks on top of it! At least with a box, if you knock your drink over, it's on the floor. HERE.... it can drain your entire soda into the mobo ports (back) or fan intake. (front) I think that will be the biggest problem this case has, getting users out of the habbit of setting things on top of their case.
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There are already things hindering the customers to place their PC directly with their back to the walls. One is called cables, the other one is called convenience. Who wants to crawl under their desk to turn the PC on or to attach / detach an USB flash drive? Thus a PC is more often then not aligned with the front of the desk, with more than enough space towards the wall.
So I call BS on the "regular PCs heat up because of walls and thus we introduced this case design".
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There are already things hindering the customers to place their PC directly with their back to the walls. One is called cables, the other one is called convenience.
But then you also have people who just like to shove things against the wall. I mean who cares about a broken cable now and then, you can always buy more >.<
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So I call BS on the "regular PCs heat up because of walls and thus we introduced this case design".
Regular PCs don't heat up because regular PCs don't produce a great deal of heat. Enthusiast PCs do, but Enthusiast PC owners know better, and if they don't then they are the perfect target market for a replacement PC.
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I don't know about you, but I prefer to have my desktop machine as far away from my ears as the cables will allow. This also means putting it out of reach to set anything like drinks on top of it. I do have an 8-channel mixer and a USB3-SATA drive dock on top of it, but I have to stand up and take a couple steps to reach either of those.
If I could do it without knocking a hole in the wall, I'd put the whole machine in a different room so I don't have to hear it or feel its heat.
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Monsieur Ventillatoin disagrees.
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What kind of moron gets in the habit of putting liquids on top of their case in the first place?
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imagine the users setting drinks on top of it! At least with a box, if you knock your drink over, it's on the floor. HERE.... it can drain your entire soda into the mobo ports (back) or fan intake. (front)
Moreover, I imagine this feature will increase dust buildup. Of course you get plenty of dust along the airstream, no matter what direction, but in this case (pun intended) there's a constant buildup from above, even when the machine is off. Then when you turn the machine on again, you get this nice layer of dust sucked in at once.
To avoid these types of problem, I'd rather have an indentation on the back, leaving room for air even when the top is pushed against the wall. It will be somewhat worse for na
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A great deal of a PC's heat exchange happens through the case. Plastic shells are therefore not a good idea. (If you don't believe me, wrap your machine in a towel, leaving the front and back open, and watch the temperature go up.) And this one has less surface area. My guess is it will actually run hotter than the same equipment in a standard case.
As to Dell's engineering for temperature mitigation -- a few years ago someone gift me a top-of-the-line Dell that had a chronic overheating issue. It had the ho
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Spherical is the way to go, especially if you like cows.
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Please. I'm having a contractor come in to move my walls so that they hug this case the way they are supposed to. Trapezoidal rooms .. here I come!
Trapezoidal shape? (Score:3)
That said, yes, you can push it to the wall, but due to its shape it is actually longer (at its lower part) than a rectangular case would be, so you would be able to leave enough space behind with a rectangular case if you set it so that its front is at the same place where this hexagon reaches when it is all the way back to the wall. If they wanted to actually save space perhaps they could get air from the sides and out from the top on a rectangular shape (along with ports etc)? I don't know, I'm just saying.
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Doesn't matter. You clicked on the link. Dice's job is done...
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Looks like an extruded triangle with bevels. Don't make it more complicated :P
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A 24 inch boxfan works better (Score:1)
Cooling doesn't have to be complicated.
trapezoidal? (Score:1)
The 2014 Award for the Ugliest Case goes to... (Score:1)
Jesus... That thing is ugly.
Trapezoid? No, it isn't (Score:1)
Corsair Air 540 (Score:3)
Corsair Air 540 (Score:2)
How do you like it? I was pretty intrigued when I saw one of these at a Fry's, but I went with the Carbide 300R (which is the best case I've had the pleasure of using). The 540, aside from being gigantic, seemed like overkill at the time.
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I love it. Very easy to route cables, great cooling, and it is shorter than a normal case (wider, but shorter). It is a great, great choice in my opinion.
Chill out - I dig it (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know why there's so much hatred about this being a slashvertisement. I actually like articles about new hardware - it's one of the reasons I still visit sites like this.
I dig the new machine, and totally support people looking into alternative and hopefully improved/innovative designs. This thing looks cool.
You guys will figure that out when you calm down a bit.
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So why dont cases breathe out the top? (Score:2)
There were reasons which I cannot seem to remember right now. Fan noise maybe? But why dont cases blow air up?
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Anecdote: I knew a student who had a self-built computer, with a top fan exhaust (and a very high CFM fan, a Delta I think!). He had a bit too much to drink one night, and threw up in exactly the wrong direction, straight on top of his PC...
Extra comedy: His PC survived, because the Delta threw the vomit right back in his face.
Perhaps this is why.
Re: So why dont cases breathe out the top? (Score:1)
Because when it isn't on you'd have a nice opening for dust, hair, and anything else to rain down into the case.
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Some do. But mostly, it's to prevent damage from spillage.
Frankly, we need to go back to desk tops.
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I can't speak enough praise about this case. From the access points, to cable grommets, to incredible airflow, to built in sdata and usb frontside.
I priced an alienware to a homebuilt w
Thanks for the effort you put into your response. (Score:2)
It looks like a really nice case, but too far outside my "minimalist" envelope. I do need to shake things up though; I haven't built a machine in too long. I need to bring a new one to life.
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There were reasons which I cannot seem to remember right now. Fan noise maybe? But why dont cases blow air up?
Actually modern PC cases such as Bitfenix's Prodigy/Phenom [bitfenix.com], Fractal Design Define R [fractal-design.com], and specially made for air cooling Corsair Carbide Air [corsair.com] provide vent and filter on top. You can install apair of large fans on them but most of the time, they are used for watercooling kit.
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A Triply Truncated Triangle (Score:1)
32GB (Score:2)
The RAM on this thing is limited to 32GB. Pretty soon there will probably be laptops at Best Buy that support more than that.
Q: How much RAM do you really need?
A: It doesn't matter. GIVE ME MORE RAM!
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False. Very few Application use more then a few gigs.
Some do, and that's great, but for 95+% of users, it would just be wasted.
This isn't 1993
It's math.
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Wherever you go you must be the life of the party.
I'm not always stupid and rich ... (Score:5, Funny)
but when I am, I buy Alienware.
You don't like a bax case? (Score:2)
Why not trapezoid?
I'm not hearing a no....
Heavy (Score:1)
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Hello,
Dell didn't pay anything for it, as far as I can tell.
This is a post by MojoKid, who operates the HotHardware.Com site. I'm guessing he submitted the article to Slashdot in order to get some ad revenue from people visiting his site as a result.
I'm guessing that blocking
googletagservices.com
googleusercontent.com
tru.am
before visiting his site will make that a little more difficult.
I do not know if he is a Slashdot or a Dice Holdings, Inc., employee, but it would be nice if there was some sort of transp
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Wow nice, aryeh some kind of internet detective?
Re:How much? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm guessing that blocking
googletagservices.com googleusercontent.com tru.am
before visiting his site will make that a little more difficult.
I do not know if he is a Slashdot or a Dice Holdings, Inc., employee, but it would be nice if there was some sort of transparency statement, if that's the case.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
Seriously? Why do people that read a legitimate news story always try to assume something is advertising. This was a press coordinated announcement by Dell-Alienware. It's a VERY cool case and system design I think, so I submitted our story on it. Yes, I run HotHardware.com and no it's not even close to an advertisement. It's just our usual news coverage on a variety of topics around the computing space. Alienware had a press release on this new system design and we covered it, along with many other Tech news outlets I'm sure.
And ad blocking. Don't even get me started. So many ad blockers are so proud of what they do, like it's some badge of honor to block. If everyone blocked ads, many quality web sites would likely cease to exist, including Slashdot. Just because you can block, doesn't mean you should. The internet is no different than any other media, where ads pay the bills to keep the lights on and people employed to serve up news, reviews and other content you enjoy every day, essentially for free.
And good sites (like Slashdot and HotHardware) know how to separate church and state, where advertising does not affect editorial opinion.
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This attitude goes right along with assuming that every argument that differs from one's own is a shill for some corporate interest. Is there any position on any issue that can't be construed that way, by the decicated paranoid?.
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Seriously? Why do people that read a legitimate news story always try to assume something is advertising
It helps to increase that assumption when in the next paragraph you defend ad-block passionately.
If ads were guaranteed to be malware free, then I wouldn't block them, but ad-tech companies are more interested in vetting inventory than advertisers (because advertiser are the ones who pay, so ad-tech companies put a lot of effort into making sure they get a good product).
FWIW I thought your post was interesting.
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And ad blocking. Don't even get me started. So many ad blockers are so proud of what they do, like it's some badge of honor to block. If everyone blocked ads, many quality web sites would likely cease to exist, including Slashdot.
I suspect in reality that the best sites would continue, but there would be a lot more paywalls around, probably less editorial integrity on open sites as things like product placements and affiliate referral fees became more reliable revenue streams, and maybe over time we'd eventually get somewhere with micropayments. In some ways, moving to more "honest" funding via paywalls and/or micropayments might be a better long-term model for the people who do produce good content and run valuable sites than what
Your bad business model isn't my problem (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do people that read a legitimate news story always try to assume something is advertising.
Because there is a large number of the tinfoil hat crowd here. Unfortunately they aren't always wrong. There are sometimes stories that really are just PR in disguise. I've certainly seen a few of them slip through here on slashdot. I agree that this particular instance probably isn't PR but I can see that it might be hard to be sure.
If everyone blocked ads, many quality web sites would likely cease to exist, including Slashdot. Just because you can block, doesn't mean you should.
It also doesn't mean that I have some obligation to watch the ads, particularly given the privacy baggage that tends to come with them. I come to slashdot to read the cont
Re:How much? (Score:4, Insightful)
Um "press coordinated announcement by Dell-Alienware" == advertisement
and making a press release appear to be a review [also known as "branded content"] is a violation of church and state
but it's the new thing to get a few extra sheckles these days
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Re:How much? (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps because it's utterly and totally devoid of valuable information on the subject? When your copy is just "Ooh, look... Shiny!" and uncritically copying bits of info out of the manufacturer's press release... you are doing nothing more than advertising a product.
Adblock Plus allows non-annoying advertisements through the filter, to be displayed by default...
If every site used non-annoying ads, ad-blockers "would likely cease to exist."
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Why do people that read a legitimate news story always try to assume something is advertising. This was a press coordinated announcement by Dell-Alienware.
I know you are right in the middle of it since that is your website and that makes it difficult to see things from any other perspective, but you should take a step back and try to see it as an uninvolved bystander would because those two statements are fundamentally contradictory. They can not both be simultaneously true, press-release journalism [wikipedia.org] is not legitimate news, if for no other reason than coordination reduces your ability to critically report a story.
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And ad blocking. Don't even get me started. So many ad blockers are so proud of what they do, like it's some badge of honor to block.
Of course we're proud. What do you think we are, stupid? Who wants to sacrifice bandwidth so as to have a gaping security hole that occasionally installs malware directly via exploits, frequently contains deceptive warnings which actually link to malware, and at best are noisy or flashy distractions from the page itself? And then the pop-ups, pop-unders, redirects, phishing scams, etc. Things have gotten so nasty that Adblock Plus more effective for securing your computer than the so called "security softwa
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And ad blocking. Don't even get me started. So many ad blockers are so proud of what they do, like it's some badge of honor to block.
Well, look at it from another perspective. I have nothing against ads online. I understand they pay for stuff and whatnot. If I see something advertised on a site I like that I want, I'll follow the link there so they get their cut.
Well I used to.
I don't run adblock, but I hardly see any ads anymore.
You see, I'm browsing on the moment on an eee 900. As you may recall, it has a
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And ad blocking. Don't even get me started. So many ad blockers are so proud of what they do, like it's some badge of honor to block. If everyone blocked ads, many quality web sites would likely cease to exist, including Slashdot.
I'm not "proud" of adblocking any more than I'm proud of locking my door at night. It's just basic personal security. It's a shame that my security needs conflict with the site's business model. But frankly, I'm not going to click on any ads anyway. I've clicked on maybe two in the past decade, and both were by accident. Mostly I'm not interested. Even if I *am* interested, I'm going go to the source web site directly, because I can't trust some random ad to be genuine.
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If there are such places, then go there, because you just described why you don't need an adblocker -- you already have ad-free sites for all your content, right?
The argument can be extended to anything. There are plenty of soup kitchens offering food for free, so it's your problem if you can't find a business model that works when you just take food without paying for it. Right?
I get the problem of annoying ads. First of all there's the malware ads and spoofing ads; those are awful. But even worse are
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No, it can not. I'm specifically talking about the cost to run a website, not a brick and mortar enterprise.
Don't worry, that's where I spend most of the time dedicated to my information needs. They're also usually much more accurate. Other sites (like slashdot) let me turn off ads without an adblocker (unfortunately not the slashvertisements). Some sites (like duckduckgo) I make an exception. Most of all, I definitely don't use that hardware site tha
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A domain is around 5-10 bucks and you can get hosting for less.
Sure you can. I've run various personal or social group sites over the years that just paid a little to keep things running, without expecting any sort of income in return. For the personal sites, I do it for the satisfaction of giving something back, and sometimes starting enjoyable discussions with others who share my interests.
I also run some commercial sites, aiming at a wider audience, charging real money for signing up. This is a completely different scale of commitment in terms of hardware, connectiv
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I disagree, let's have a look at Disqus, who (according to here [insight-it.ru]) have around 100 servers total for serving (in 2011) "500 000 sites" with "15 millions of registered users" and "17 thousands of requests per second" for "250 million visitors (for August 2010.)". A later blog-post from Disqus itself puts that in perspective
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Wow what a thoughtless statement.
A domain is an irrelevant rounding error. A host is bloody expensive once you get past the pissy little amount of data you get for your $5 / month. A site like Slashdot has made fun of the ability to cripple other hosts just by linking to them, how much do you think the traffic bill is per month? Not to mention technical staff, editorial staff (which we all agree are often some kind of joke).
You really have no idea.
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Oh, I do. Quite a good one, actually.
If you guys insist that hosting a web-site (!) on commodity servers (!) is expensive, you can continue using bloated scripts or look at ways to optimize your infrastructure:
one option (for the larger sites) is to put the DB and backup servers in the same datacenter and then just switch the (dumb) frontends around, once the traffic is gone (internal traffic is free, and if it's not it's time to change providers.), and streamline the dynamic parts
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What a lousy business model.
Real money is made by sustainably providing value to the customers/users, not deciding that your hobby of talking about knitting pink socks is going to buy you a house and employing a legion of editors to chase that hallucination.
Last time I heard, there's a myriad of FLOSS CMS or web-publishing systems out there, slap a template on 'em or pay other peo
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So how much advertising did Dell buy ro get this story run?
Don't be ridiculous. It's not an advertisement. Alienware makes some pretty slick gaming rigs--I have a few myself as I am sure many other slashdotters do. I find it interesting to hear about their latest case design. Sorry if paranoia prevents you from enjoying the article.
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