NVIDIA's Tegra 3 Outruns Apple's A5 In First Benchmarks 390
MojoKid writes "NVIDIA's new Tegra 3 SoC (System on a Chip) has recently been released for performance reviews in the Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime Android tablet. Tegra 3 is comprised of a quad-core primary CPU complex with a 5th companion core for lower-end processing requirements and power management. The chip can scale up to 1.4GHz on a single core and 1.3GHz on up to four of its cores, while the companion core operates at 500MHz. It makes for a fairly impressive new tablet platform and offers performance that bests Apple's A5 dual-core processor in more than a few tests. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime with optional keyboard dock and NVIDIA's Tegra 3 is set to be available in volume sometime around December 19th."
Transformer Rocks... (Score:2, Informative)
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I have the first Transformer, I'm very pleased with it.
Does it change into a car or plane when you need it to?
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If the transformer could dual boot into a real Linux desktop environment or if android had a "desktop" application then it could compete with Windows 8.
From what I've seen of Android (I've had a MyTouch and now a G2) I'm not sure how much use I'd get out of the keyboard / trackpad.
I like the idea... hopefully these things will come. But even if X or Wayland was running inside of Android, wouldn't you still need all the GNU userland?
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I have the first Transformer, I'm very pleased with it.
Was it more than meets the eye?
You know why Apple's winning? It's not about specs (Score:5, Insightful)
*sigh*
Tegra 3 is faster than the A5? Whoopty-doo. You know why Apple is winning the tablet and phone market? Here's a hint: It's not about specs anymore. When it comes to tablets, people don't care about benchmarks or who's got the fastest RAM. We (Slashdot geeks) might, but the rest of the world couldn't give a flying fuck. It's about user experience. And Apple's got that all wrapped up in a pretty little bow. Whereas none of their competitors do (HP came close, and we'll see about Ice Cream Sandwich but my educated guess is "probably not good enough for the average person").
So yeah, run all the benchmarks you want NVIDIA, but when it comes down to actual concrete sales, Apple's still going to eat you for breakfast.
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When it comes to tablets, people don't care about benchmarks or who's got the fastest RAM. We (Slashdot geeks) might, but the rest of the world couldn't give a flying fuck. It's about user experience.
Did you even see what Transformer actually is? There's nothing even remotely close to that in "Apple experience" today.
And, as it happens, this story isn't about devices - it's about chipsets. If you don't care about that, why bother to post? This is Slashdot, after all. News for nerds.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple is "winning" the tablet war for two reasons:
1) They had a good year lead in entering the market (actually more since the first Android tablets weren't designed to be tablets and were released against Google's recommendation).
2) They have a cult of fanboys who would literally buy anything with the Apple logo on it and those people then pressure other people to get Apple products to "be cool".
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
I find it interesting that Apple users are a cult, while rabid Android supporters are just fine.
No, I don't have Apple stuff.
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Really neither of the rabid/cultish groups are worth listening to.
Both Apple and Android have OSes that are pretty user friendly and both work equally well. Both pretty much do the same thing, and there is very little difference between them, since as soon as either side brings in an interesting new feature or app, the other adopts it.
Just find the phone for the best price and the features that you want. It's only a damn phone, there will be a better one out in a month anyway.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
I keep hearing this, but it is not borne out by reality. There would have to be an awfully large number of cult fanboys to sustain the kind of numbers Apple is posting. At what number do cult fanboys turn into satisfied customers?
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Informative)
It's about user experience. And Apple's got that all wrapped up in a pretty little bow. Whereas none of their competitors do (HP came close, and we'll see about Ice Cream Sandwich but my educated guess is "probably not good enough for the average person").
I keep trying to figure out what people mean by iOS's user experience. I've got a transformer with the dock. Absolutely love it. Notifications are simple and unobtrusive. There is a back button that works.
I borrowed an iPad for a week and had to keep reminding myself NOT to throw it against the wall since it wasn't mine. At any point the damned thing needed to open a browser or map from one app the way back was not apparent and I ended up hitting the home button and needing to navigate back to where I was in the original app. In Honeycomb, I just hit the back button and I'm back. I guess if all you do is play Angry Birds it would seem pretty simple.
Don't take this as a flame. I'm really interested in why someone who uses both iOS and Android on a regular basis would say that iOS has a better user experience. I develop on and use both, but my personal iPod Touch is used for nothing more than a source of music on my alarm clock and in my Jeep. I dread using it for anything else.
And as an owner of the original Palm Pre I can certainly say that WebOS beats them both by a mile. Too bad the hardware was such shite and the limitations in the API were woeful.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
Open a handful of apps. Switch between them. Now lock it and put it away for a couple of hours. Now unlock it: quick, where does "Back" take you?
Double-click on the iOS home button and you get the application switcher, so you can get back to any other running app, exactly in the state you left it.
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Open a handful of apps. Switch between them. Now lock it and put it away for a couple of hours. Now unlock it: quick, where does "Back" take you?
Double-click on the iOS home button and you get the application switcher, so you can get back to any other running app, exactly in the state you left it.
At least on my android you can hold the home button down to get the app switching you are talking about. I'm not sure what this comment was supposed to be showing...
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The back button is a design mistake. Having a dedicated back button does not fit all scenarios and leads to ambiguous choices the user can't resolve without having to tap it to see what happens or suboptimal app behavior. A good example is Android's camera camera roll switching which is/was (I haven't looked at ICS) fundamentally broken and not user friendly. Stepping back a bit and thinking about it, it's pretty clear the culprit is the back button and the UI flow that it forces.
Only a few IOS 5 devices support that (Score:3)
That's specific to certain devices not all IOS 5 devices which is a shame because there isn't a reason why for example the Touch shouldn't have full gesture support. You need may likely need to jailbreak your device to get any sort of gestures working.
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Or single-tap the Android application switcher icon, so you can get back to any other running app, exactly in the state you left it.
I have a Transformer and love it. The optional keyboard with full-size SD slot, USB ports and extra battery is a real plus.
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Irrelevant; if you wanted to go somewhere specific, you'd use the home button just like an iOS device, or if its something you used recently, you'd hold down the home button and pick from the MRU list.
The Android devices can do the same behaviours as the iOS devices, but the inverse is not true.
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I don't think that's the case anymore. Android has improved a lot, and the phones and tablets i've se
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Tegra 3, an unreleased chip that you won't be able to actually get in a shipping product for several months at least, is faster than the A5, a chip that's been in shipping products for the last six months.
Seriously. Apple's not doing too badly on specs either, apparently.
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No offense, but Apple's got marketing ... the experience side I've experienced is different.
Nearly every person who sees my wife using her new Motorola Droid3 or me using my Dell Streak 5 ask which IPhone we have (lol). Then we show them our customized home screens with information instantly visible, from calendar appointments (I use S2 calendar widgets) to recent friend updates to weather forecasts. Then she slides out the very nice keyboard on hers, or more likely demonstrates how fast it is to enter t
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Interesting)
I work for a company that does marketing for both Apple and Android manufacturers. Trust me, they all have great marketing teams and big budgets. The success of the products isn't as simple as marketing.
The difference is that Apple takes the time to do both hardware AND software specifically so that they can build a unified consistent experience. Whereas Android manufacturers just slap the Android OS on the hardware and hope for the best.
To counter your anecdotes, time and time again I hear people bitching about their Android devices because it's slow, or software is buggy and inconsistent, or UI is confusing, etc. I think it's pretty telling that the "touch" event in the Android API is called "click".
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And where is this reported? And where are you commenting right now?
Is it slashdot? Do you think some people here might be interested then?
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Funny)
This isn't even exciting anyway:
This just in! New hardware faster than existing hardware! Read all about it!
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They are. They make the most profits and are single most successful vendor. All Android enthusiasts seem to make the same logical fallacy over and over again.
Android is not a company. It's completely irrelevant if 200 companies combined can outsell one (1) company if that single company outsells each of them individually. Just because Motorola and Samsung makes Android phones doesn't mean they are BFFs. Every single Android phone maker competes with all the other Android vendors. Apple makes 52% of all the
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What is irrelevant, from a user perspective, is the amount of profit that a company makes. In fact, if the company I buy a phone from loose money on every sale, it probably means that I made a better deal. If on the other hand they make a 50% profit, I probably got screwed. I never understood how Apple users could be proud of Apple making such a high profit. I never saw anyone proud of buying oil from ExxonMobile because they make more profit than the competition.
I don't care if there a 1 or 200 companies s
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I'm a 99-percenter, and even *I* think you're just spouting bizarro communist tripe. You say that profit is irrelevant, but then go into some masturbatory rant about how screwing the company into taking a loss equates to a "better deal" for you. It's not a better deal if you drive that company into bankruptcy and your device becomes unsupported 6 months down the road.
There is a very important distinction between profit and greed. Deriving pleasure from screwing someone over the deal, that's greed. I don
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Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Insightful)
Android is not a company. It's completely irrelevant if 200 companies combined can outsell one (1) company if that single company outsells each of them individually. Just because Motorola and Samsung makes Android phones doesn't mean they are BFFs. Every single Android phone maker competes with all the other Android vendors. Apple makes 52% of all the whole phone profits. All the other 200 phone maker have to share the remaining 48%.
Here's what most Apple fans fail to understand: most of the rest of us don't give a shit about *any* company. I don't care if Apple or Motorola or HTC or Samsung have the largest marketshare; all I care about is having choices. Apple's ecosystem gives you *no* choice -- if you want an iOS device, it comes from Apple. If you buy accessories, they will *only* work with Apple hardware. If you buy software, it will *only* work with Apple hardware. If at some point in the future you don't want Apple hardware, you're also throwing away all of the rest of your investments.
In the Android ecosystem, there are a multitude of choices in terms of manufacturer and price point. If I buy an HTC device now, when I'm later looking to upgrade I'm not locked into buying from HTC again, because my software will work on a Samsung phone. My accessories will work with any device that supports a USB interface. I'm not stuck with a single manufacturer to make use of all of my older stuff.
I'm willing to have some stuff that doesn't "just work" if it means I get more choices out of the deal -- the funny thing being that Apple does not and has never had stuff that always "just works," so I'm really not making much of a sacrifice there. Every consumer computing device ever has had at least a few bugs, and you learn to work around them (or, in the case of Apple fanbois, deny them).
--Jeremy
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Apple IS winning. No one except Fanbois is interested in combined market share of some random companies.
I'm sorry, but that's disingenuous. It makes for an interesting info-graphic, but the reason the overall numbers are important is that these phones need continual application support to thrive. If you use an iPhone, you want the numbers on that to be high so that application developers will make sure you get the latest apps and games. If you use Android... same story. Remember when Netflix was on iOS, but not on Android? What a booger. This has nothing to do with the profits of the manufacturers.
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I'd mod you down to oblivion if I had any mod points.
Then let's us hope that you never get mod points. Moderation is not for hammering posts because you disagree with them.
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Could it be that Android phones are cheap?
One may argue that Android tablets are also cheaper, but a phone is (almost) a necessity, whereas a tablet is a luxury item. If you have to buy something, you go buy the one you can afford. If you don't have to, you just wait to be able to afford the one you actually like.
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Could it be that Android phones are cheap?
Some are. Some are more expensive. Some are more powerful, some have hardware keyboards, some have stylus input, some come bundled with suites of useful apps, some are unbranded and give the user more control. As a customer, choice is good.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
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As the saying goes, only the rich can afford to buy cheap things.
I'd rather buy something nice that will last, than keep buying cheap crap that breaks and fails and makes my pressure rise every time I look at it. Just the few hours I've wasted fussing with my wife's Android have exceeded the small difference in sticker price vs my iPhone. You can buy more gadgets, but you can't buy time.
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There might be a few reasons... One, some people hate Apple and will never by a phone from them. Two, some people don't want to look like a trendy boob and will buy anything but an iPhone to avoid that, even if they like the iPhone. Three, some people aren't willing to pay that much for a phone. Finally, some people just don't care. They aren't going to switch carriers for
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*sigh*
Tegra 3 is faster than the A5? Whoopty-doo. You know why Apple is winning the tablet and phone market? Here's a hint: It's not about specs anymore. When it comes to tablets, people don't care about benchmarks or who's got the fastest RAM. We (Slashdot geeks) might, but the rest of the world couldn't give a flying fuck. It's about user experience. And Apple's got that all wrapped up in a pretty little bow. Whereas none of their competitors do (HP came close, and we'll see about Ice Cream Sandwich but my educated guess is "probably not good enough for the average person").
So yeah, run all the benchmarks you want NVIDIA, but when it comes down to actual concrete sales, Apple's still going to eat you for breakfast.
Apple is currently ahead in the tablet market. They also had the best performing tablet when it came out. The Prime might be better but it's about 9 months after the iPad2. Apple is currently being outsold by almost 2:1 by Android phones. Android phones are also the best performing phones out there.
If Apple's user experience was that much better, and specs didn't matter anymore, then why isn't Apple winning the phone race too?
Well, I RTFA and the thing is 11%-25% faster depending on which one the Tegra 3 beat the A5 in. Not really that impressive given the thing has two more cores AND a higher clock speed. The 25% was in graphics FPS, by the way not CPU performance.
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Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, Android is doing very well on Verizon because VZW put more effort into Android back when AT&T had iPhone exclusivity.
For a LONG time it was clear that AT&T was intentionally holding back Android device releases to avoid pissing off Apple. What Android devices AT&T had were either way underspecced or had massive carrier crippling.
AT&T is still pretty bad in this regard. What Apple's worst nightmare should be is some manufacturer growing big enough balls to tell AT&T to go fuck themselves as far as carrier mangling goes.
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All true, but it turns out the manufacturers like to mangle the phones too. Sure, they don't want to put VCAST this, V-CRAP that on it. But they want to put Blur, TouchWiz, and Sense on them (plus whatever the garbage one that LG uses). All of these are annoyances that just add bugs. They don't believe they can differentiate themselves sufficiently by just making good hardware. They have to crap the phones up, make them slow, etc. and compete on "whose is the least f'ed up" instead.
I've recently been happy with a sony-e xperia product. sure, they put some crap on it, but it's mostly widgets and downloading a home screen replacement from the market works wonders too, so I don't actually see any of the sony-e brand stuff. and least they didn't fuck up listviews.
oh and perhaps, just perhaps people would be more interested in if it beats exynos, not a5.
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The irony is that while more people prefer android to iOS in the phone market now, people continue to point to Apple winning because they still have more profits as if that is a good thing. It really means they are giving you less for your money that isn't any better and thus they make more money. Popular opinion has already shown that people don't prefer iOS to Android, just that Apple has better marketing at getting people to overspend. Good for shareholders, not for consumers and fanboyz.
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I personally paid the same $200 for my $699 phone as an Android user paid for his $499 phone and pay the same monthly fee.
Why should I care that the carrier had to pay a higher subsidy to Apple?
Cite?
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I'm talking about consumers, you are talking about developers. That is apples and oranges, though personally, from my experience with Android, I personally disagree. I would ask, have you designed any apps in Android and then tried to port them to iOS? The design pattern for Android and iOS is inherently incompatible so I would expect a port in either direction to be complicated and take longer than the original effort since you are trying to replicate functionality that is not done the same way. I will
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Even the iPhone4 8 GB costs more than a Samsung Galaxy S2 16 GB, so you're obviously full of shit.
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The thing that's been discussed along those lines is that Apple had a couple years to get its supply chain in order before the release of the iphone. Everybody else has been playing catch up by trying to combine off the shelf components in the most appealing fashion they can. Since no one has really found a magic recipe for building a perfect Android/WinMo phone and everyone wants to differentiate their product somehow, economies of scale and supply chain efficiencies haven't really been working in anyone's
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not cheating, but it's (non-deliberately) deceptive when it comes to the measures that matter to companies. "Android" is not a model of phone any more than "Windows" is a model of computer. Even with only 5-7% of the computer market, Apple has been one of the more profitable computer manufacturers for the last decade or so. Compare Windows to OSX and Apple is clearly "losing". Compare Mac sales to Dell sales or HP sales and Apple is doing almost phenomenally well. Similarly with phones. iOS is "losing" to Android by a lot of measures, but Apple is doing better than any other vendor of smartphones. Apple is "winning in the phone market" because they consistently make and sell more phones than any one other vendor (and probably make more money per phone to boot). They aren't necessarily winning in the phone OS market, but that's OK.
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You might have an argument for investing into Apple over Dell/HP/Microsoft. But you certainly don't have an argument about why a consumer should be getting an Apple device.
The fact that Microsoft is winning the PC OS war and that Google is winning the phone OS war are useful metrics on their own. It might just not be the numbers you are looking to as an investor, but that doesn't mean that they are irrelevant.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Insightful)
How is Google "winning" when 66% of Google searches on mobile come from iOS device:
http://www.gadgetvenue.com/google-mobile-searches-made-up-of-66-ios-09223009/ [gadgetvenue.com]
And after spending billions on development, buying MMI, and patents they still only make $6 dollars per phone?
Especially when the most popular Android tablet (the Amazon Fire) uses no Google services?
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So if Google gives away Android with the hopes of recouping costs via advertising, then how are they "winning" if 66% of mobile searches come from Apple -- to whom they reportedly pay $100 Million/ a year to be the default search provider?
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So "winning" for a publicly traded company is "losing billions of dollars" to gain market share?
In that case, I guess I will cut my leg off to win the corporate weight loss challenge.....
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The first iPhone in 2007 had Safari that used Google as its default (only?) search engine. It remains the default now.
I fail to see how we have Android to thank for this happening.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
Great Android selling phones do about 10% of a single iPhone model. There are 3 significant iPhone models still in the wild and 2 of them and 90+% of the volume are the same form factor. Is there a Moto Droid RAZR Deli Slicer 7.1 Kevlar port in your car? No, but my Elantra came with an iPhone dock (as does about 70% of US automobiles.)
If we can actually get to TFA! Shocker that a chip that has only been available in engineering samples is outpacing a chip that shipped in a device in March. So in other news, chips get faster over time? Shocked. Even if this were important (and it isn't) this is not a fair fight. All it does is give Apple a benchmark/target to aim for with the A6 or what ever it will be that they ship in the iPad 3 in about 3-4 months, which oh by the way, will be showing up about the same time that a device with this chip in it makes it to market too.
It's not just about chip speed. It's about battery life, user experience, polish, and efficiency. The quicker the Android licensees stops marketing their phones like they are hocking graphics cards in 2004 the sooner one of them will have an individual hit.
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:5, Insightful)
It's times like this I wish I had mod points.
Scratch that, it's times like this I wish I ran my own Slash site so I could invite you over.
It's not just about accessories. The Android software platform is as fractured as it gets, with a bazillion different versions, different hardware that simply cannot be trusted or relied upon. Some are great phones like the Samsung Galaxy line, and then a neverending stream of shit phones like, well, Huawei, Motorola, Alcatel... half-assed sweatshop garbage.
As a developer, even though Apple's walled garden is quite frustrating to navigate, I have less to worry about when developing iPhone apps vs Android or Blackberry, as if an app works on my iPhone, it's a pretty safe bet that it'll work on all of them. It's much like writing for a gaming console. There are only a few minor gotchas, that are trivially resolved during testing with the various simulators.
With Android, about half of my the bug reports I get must be replied with "I'm sorry, but your phone does not support rotation. Yes, the epileptic shimmering is normal on a Motorola. No, our app isn't slow, it's your goddamned korean knockoff phone. Congratulations, your device supports flash. Too bad it only has a 2.77 mhz processor without H.264 acceleration."
Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (Score:4, Interesting)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57321157-264/adobe-abandons-flash-plug-in-for-mobile-devices-report/ [cnet.com]
No, you make one app with resources for both. Developers choose to separate apps.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1288 [apple.com]
Strangely that doesn't seem like a solution for my car or gym equipment,,,,,
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If that's true, why can I buy 100,000 battery cradles, camera add ons, cases, credit card readers, sushi makers and personal massager extensions for my iphone but there are barely any Android specific accessories besides a few cases and some carrier marketed dash/desk mounts.
Because iPhone users have more disposable income?
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Great Android selling phones do about 10% of a single iPhone model.
Not true. Samsung Galaxy S Sales Hit 30 Million [pcmag.com]. The last HTC Wildfire sales figure I saw was 21.3 million. By your logic, that means Apple must have shipped in the range of 200-300 million of each iPhone model, right? But total sales of every iPhone model sold from 2007-2010 is only 73 million. Even Total sales figures per fiscal year [wikipedia.org] is clearly nowhere near that level. (I couldn't find iPhone sales figures broken down by model, but total sales of every iPhone from 2007-2010 is only sold 73 million, so cle
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So what "non proprietary" docking solution can you use to hook up your Android phone to the gym's equipment to record workouts and to view video? Where can I find a docking solution to integrate the media on Android phone to a home entertainment system -- and no, using HDMI does not a
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There have been more Java developers than Objective-C developers since the 1990s. However platforms are more than just languages, and there have always been more iOS developers than Android developers, and there still is. And mobile apps still usually come to iOS first, and often don't get released on Android at all.
Why? Mainly because more iOS apps are sold than Android apps, so there's ore money to be made.
But also because iOS is a lot less hassle to develop for - it doesn't have the fragmentation problem
Not cheating, just bad metrics (Score:2)
Your speaking as if releasing 12,000 different phone models was some sort of cheating. It isn't.
Of course it's not cheating. But what it is doing is making the metric meaningless. Yes technically you can say Android is shipping more devices, but when you don't know how many are not really being used as a smartphone, or with apps at all to claim it's equivalent to iPhone sales is madness.
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It's also out of date as Apple are no longer the number one manufacturer of smart phones, that would be Samsung.
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If you're one of Apple's phone competitors, these charts [asymco.com] should make you burst into tears. Apple is making 2/3 of the total profits in the entire industry, even if they aren't selling 2/3s of the phones.
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Winning all the way to the poorhouse :
Motorola Mobility revenue misses, net loss narrows [reuters.com]
Samsung phone sales drop 14%, profit drops 30% [electronista.com]
HTC Is In Big Trouble: It Just Slashed Revenue Guidance Again [businessinsider.com]
Just like PC vendors did under Windows' dominance.
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People buying a product they like, causing financial trouble?
Apple is loosing market share because increase competition. Apples iPhone had a 2 year head start over the other phones. That was 2 years of being the only player in the game. Then the competition came out. Naturally people will buy the other devices.
Apple has always released the Cadillac of personal computing. Just like Cadillac's they may not be t
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Perhaps I should have expanded on what I meant by "Apple Phenomena" better. What I am referring to is the mass market, keeping up with the joneses, easily manipulated social consumer mentality that has pervaded first world culture. The entire notion of marketing a device in such a way as to make it a status symbol rather than a functional device leads to people overspending because of how our culture has been programmed to respond to marketing and spend. Apple is one of the most successful companies at c
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Dude, you can't even see through your Apple bashing reflex.
I'm an app developer. I work with all four major platforms: IOS, Android, Blackberry and Win7. Hands-down, IOS wins. Better device, better OS, better dev tools, better sales, better everything. Any time a client asks for an app, they want it for the iPhone, and I usually have to cross-sell them on the other platforms, or their customers complain about not supporting their preferred platform. There is a reason why IOS is on top, despite the lack
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News just in: (Score:2, Insightful)
New, unreleased processor faster than old, widely available processor.
Comparing raw benchmarks? (Score:4, Insightful)
Really? Comparing benchmarks? All this time, and you people still don't get it.
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I know for a fact that you did not RTFA, because that link is broken :)
Thank you Captain Obvious (Score:5, Informative)
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If anything, the news is that the iPad2 actually *wins* in half of the linked benchmarks.
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Since when is quad-core cpu A 'automagically' faster than dual-core cpu B? Of course 2x the number of cores helps a lot, but it still depends on how much work each core can do @ a given clock speed (and that's ignoring the issue of how well existing apps' performance scales across multiple cores).
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Misleading summary (Score:5, Informative)
Of the linked benchmarks:
LINPACK: "Unfortunately, the iOS version of Linpack is different enough that we couldn't compare iPad 2 numbers in this test, and still get an apples-to-apples match-up (no pun intended)."
BrowserMark: Transformer is 11% faster than iPad2
SunSpider: iPad2 is 9% faster than Transformer
GLBenchmark Fill: iPad2 is 230% faster than Transformer
GLBenchmark Egypt: Transformer is 25% faster than iPad2
An3DBench: "This is an Android-only benchmark, so unfortunately the iPad 2 couldn't play here."
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Better headline: "Tegra 3 CPU on-par with a year-old processor; GPU woefully inadequate."
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here's a better headline:
"Stupid site releasing meaningless benches to get hits - too lazy to ask a developer to run meaningful benches".
how hard is it to take a multi-threaded mandelbrot calculus example and compile it? not very.
seriously, anandtech by now should have their own fpu/int tests and have a developer go check that the opengl benches are meaningful. the js benches are particularly useless as multi-core cpu metric.
what I'm trying to say, the site is stupid and it's choice of rivals for the benche
Slow news day? (Score:5, Informative)
Twas ever thus (Score:2)
Worthless submission (Score:4, Insightful)
ummm, duh? (Score:2)
They're comparing something that's coming out soon (TM) vs something I've had for over 8 months! I sure hope it beats the ipad2 in benchmarks. All these numbers games are silly. It used to matter when I was building 486 DX50 desktops vs a 486 DX2-66 ... but not so much these days. There's a very very very small percentage of people that would care and/or notice.
Wow, I guess I've become an old man! Complaining about you kids are your silly games. My apologies. </rant>
"To comprise" does not require a preposition. (Score:2)
"Comprises" would suffice. The proper usage of "to comprise" != that of "to (be) compose(d of)".
To confuse the two is to hasten the now-seemingly-inevitable death of a perfectly good word.
A useful guide: if you think you can substitute any uncommon word or phrase for a more common word or phrase with no change whatsoever in meaning or the structure of
It's because of CarrierIQ! (Score:5, Funny)
They need faster processors to deal with CarrierIQ's overhead on looking at everything you do and sending them every keystroke.
Re:It's because of CarrierIQ! (Score:4, Funny)
Maybe that's what the fifth core is for.
Performance is one important attribute... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re: (Score:3)
Uh-huh. And what effect does all this high performance have on the containing tablet's battery life?
If we're talking about the Transformer Prime, the first Tegra 3 tablet, it's equivalent in battery life to the iPad 2 and roughly double it when you add the keyboard dock. It's also thinner than the iPad2, lighter, and the screen is much higher resolution, a better form factor, and nearly twice as bright, with blacks good enough that contrast ratio is also better than the iPad 2. The iPad's advantages are in number of apps and GPU speed. I wouldn't get either because even in iOS there are hardly any non-
True performance (Score:2, Insightful)
I own the Samsung Galaxy tablet. At launch it had high specs and all.. But yet, the experience is laggy with occasionnal freezes.. is hardware the real performance, or it's the actual responsiveness that matters most?
I'd rather have lower specs but smoother response....
Interesting, but not Earth shattering. (Score:3)
Pardon the pun but we are comparing Apple and Oranges. The Asus Transformer is designed to be a laptop/tablet hybrid so I can see this chip being used to its potential. But to make the assertion that faster is better in a purely tablet form is a stretched because for things that I actually use a tablet for (yes I have an iPad 2) the CPU is being wasted. How fast do I really need my calendar, email, iSSH, Rhapsody, Netflix, HBOgo, and notepad to go? They perform exceptionally well now.
As a embedded systems guy, I'm interested in the Tegra 3. Outside of the Intel family, our shop has two classes of custom boards. The ones based on actual ARM or PowerPC cpus this is where the Tegra3 has a shot, and the other being boards designed around the Virtex series FPGAs that our FPGA guys are smitten with and it would take extinction event to be able to pry that out of their cold dead hands. :P
More than a few tests (Score:2)
Upcoming CPU faster than chip that's been out 9mos (Score:3)
...film at 11.
Is it really 2011? (Score:3, Insightful)
The fact that anyone is even making ePenis comparisons like this shows how embarrassingly out of touch the "nerd" (versus "geek") population has become. None of this matters. It hasn't mattered for years. To cling to it as some basis for decision making, as if the ultimate Asperger's-addled answer to any question is to overlay a rational conceit even if it doesn't make any sense, is absurd.
None of this is relevant, as much as those of you who fear the evolution in the technology market would like to believe otherwise. The more you cling to this as a basis for building products, the more you'll lose in terms of influence. We've worked too hard to have a seat at the table -- do you really want to be shoved back in the server closet again? I don't know, maybe some of you would.