Digital Generation Rediscovers Analog Wristwatches 505
Hugh Pickens writes "As recently as a half-decade ago, time seemed to be running out for the wristwatch; the mechanical device was declared to be going the way of the abacus. But now the NY Times reports that the 'sundial' of the wrist is experiencing an uptick among members of the digital generation, particularly by heritage-macho types in their 20s and 30s who are drawn to the wristwatch's retro appeal, just as they have seized on straight razors, selvedge denim and vintage vinyl. 'A cool machine that is all moving parts has got to be intrinsically interesting to someone born into this generation,' says Mitch Greenblatt, an online retailer of design-forward watches who is seeing a surge in business, 'because there's just nothing like that in their life.'"
Steam-punk appeal (Score:2)
This really isn't much of a surprise. The Steam-punk genre is quite popular with the 20-40 crowd.
Re:Steam-punk appeal (Score:5, Funny)
This really isn't much of a surprise. The Steam-punk genre is quite popular with the 20-40 crowd.
I'm 37. I've had combo analog/digital watches almost continuously since I was about 10. I source them from exotic boutiques like K-Mart where they sell obscure brands like Timex.
If the NYT article wasn't behind a registration screen ... maybe something the summary didn't cover would make some sense here.
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I love tubes in my stereo amplifiers....I'd like a clock made of tubes too just to make it fun.
Makes for a nice 'glow' in the living room when I get home in the evenings.
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Very expensive, but I spent a lot of time with nixie tubes as displays for a lot of test equipment. Pure nostalgia, though I'm not sure these are steampunk.
For me, a nixi clock is something to build. Not terribly hard, and an Arduino would make it a lot simpler - burn it to ROM and have something interesting.
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And here I thought the only use for Timexes was for shady guys in New York alleys to scratch the name a bit to make it kinda-sorta look right and then claim they were "Genuine Rolex".
Sorta like the "Oakey" sunglasses sold by the chinese guy with a cart down the street.
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I'm right there with you, I love the combination mechanical (not really analog) face/hands, with an embedded digital display for date/alarm/etc. In fact, I've never owned a wristwatch with only a digital (LED/LCD) face, nor do I ever intent to. Douglas Adams said it best:
...utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea...
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I always disliked digital watches... ever since High School (graduated in '85), I've used an analog wristwatch.
I did buy a Timex Expedition digital watch a few years ago because I started doing a lot of grilling, and timing is everything, so I got one with a count down timer, and I admitted to myself that there were some nice benefits; the alarm and stopwatch have come in handy on occasion.
At a meeting at work last week I noticed I was the ONLY one wearing a watch at all (digital or otherwise). Everyone ha
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I guess the thing is my life doesn't revolve around the office... when you go out to lunch (restaurants rarely have clocks), or dinner; when I take my son to his martial arts class and sit in the car reading - there's no display when the key's not in and turned. I could do that, I suppose. I go for walks a lot; hiking, biking... I find many situations where a watch is a lot better than having to pull out a phone. Even just walking while carrying things, I can usually contort enough to see my watch.
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True; all sound is analog. All audio amplifiers are analog. I can see the kids now, "dude, I've got analog speakers!"
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Re:Steam-punk appeal (Score:5, Interesting)
This really isn't much of a surprise. The Steam-punk genre is quite popular with the 20-40 crowd.
Nah, steampunk is a faux-Victorian genre loved almost exclusively by the irredeemably nerdy. This, like the straight-razor comeback, is more "Mad Men" '60s (or even '40s) nostalgia; it's people borrowing symbols from a time when "men were men" -- a way for men to assert their masculinity in a way that they see as intelligent and sophisticated, rather than uncultured or brutish. Since, for a while in the 90s, the latter seemed to be the only conception of masculinity being promulgated, I appreciate the trend, albeit with reservations.
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Even with practice you still need to have darn near absolute concentration. Just last week I cut myself something fierce because my mind was somewhere else. How many people buzz over their face with an electric while going over other things in their mind?
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Am I the only one here that wears a beard, you sissies? ROFLMAO!!!!
I do, but I shave the neck and the little wispy bits on my cheek so as to avoid the RMS look ;p
And yeah, "straight razor culture" cracks me up. I mean, I don't have a problem with it, and I guess for _everything_ there is gonna be a group of people who take it very seriously (see also: every day carry), but the fact that there are entire forums (very active ones) dedicated to proper care, maintenance, and application of _razors_ has always made me chuckle a little.
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Carefully trimmed stubble is "masculine" in the same way as pre-stressed jeans, clothing with a Harley-Davidson logo, or a Tap-Out sticker in the back window of a pickup truck. It's for chronologically adult little boys who think they can buy manhood instead of just, you know, being men.
Bring back the Pocket Watch! (Score:3)
The train conductor/robber-baron look is coming back
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Re:Bring back the Pocket Watch! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Heh, you may laugh, but that's exactly what we got our groomsmen as thank you gifts, engraved pocket watches.
Mind you, the casings had this big glass window in the back, so you could see the gears and clockworks inside ticking along...very cool.
I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
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I have worn a watch since I was about 7 years old. My grandfather loved watches and bought anything that caught his eye. When they got warn, or he lost interest he passed them down to me. God I wish I had known what some of those would be worth now. I have one of the first digital watches. With an LED display. I reciently decided that I would start collecting watches that I liked.
It is amazing what you can buy these days, for very little money.
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Personally I'm fine with it being an affectation,its the only piece of jewelry I wear, but lets at least be honest.
Some watches are functional, some people need to check/measure time when both hands are otherwise occupied. Some of us go outdoors, even in the rain. Some of us go to places where we can not recharge a phone. Some of us even go into water over our waist, on purpose. :-)
Definitely not me (Score:5, Funny)
I still think that digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
(Besides I have some difficulties to read analog watches).
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Yeah, but you still just use a towel to dry yourself off.
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Mechanical (Score:2)
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I agree. I have two mechanical automatic watches, they never need winding or a new battery. One of them has a see through backing, and it's fun to watch the gears work. A nice mechanical watch really is almost a work of art.
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If I find myself in that situation, knowing the time down to second, or even minute, level of precision is not going to be a big concern.
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The term 'mechanical' would be more appropriate, though I guess mechanical is still analog.
Nope. Mechanical is not analog. Mechanical is closer to digital. Analog implies a waveform. Digital implies descrete states. A mechanical gear would be a digital device. Each tooth representing a specific state.
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I never knew this, but apparently there were mechanical watches in which the movement wasn't "stop-and-go" escapement, but truly continuous-motion and therefore analogue.
Linky [wikipedia.org]
Fascinating. Continuous rotation gear trains with "escapement"-modulated braking. Clever. A true "sweep second" movement.
But obviously, that's a very notable exception. Most "analogue" watches are, in fact, high-frequency discrete motion movements. (Up to 5 steps per second, in the writeups I've read; small enough movements to look l
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plus it doesn't need batteries, which can be a plus in a postapocalyptic scenario / finding-oneself-stranded-on-a-mountain-with-no-batteries-nearby-just-as-soon-as-they've-run-out-type situation.
But a solar/dyno watch will work just as well in those rare situations where time is important.
1994 called. (Score:3)
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"Is it impolite to give a digital watch to a one-armed man?" - Gallagher
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BMO
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On a side note, who around here calls the future?
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On a side note, who around here calls the future?
We used to be able to, but for some reason 2012 and beyond have stopped answering the phone....
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I'm 32. A lot of people my age growing up simply used their cellphones and didn't see the need for a watch. Until 3 years ago I hadn't owned a watch since I was about 12. I now own a quartz watch and two mechanical automatics, and have my eye on a couple of others.
Most of the people I know don't know anything about watches, don't care, and just wear something that looks nice to them. A lot of them think Fossil is a great brand. Some just grab a cheap Casio/Timex and when the battery needs to be changed
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I used to be an analog snob until I saw an engineer at our company use the calculator on his wristwatch (before everyone one had smart phones) during a meeting to come up with a few figures... at the time I was doing a lot of grilling and timing is crucial... a digital watch worked much better, so I got one. After that, it's been great - I coached a few teams (academic and sports) and had the stop watch; the alarm clock has been great, and lot more convenient than my smart phone when I'm running down the f
Meh. (Score:2)
There are some things I like retro because I believe they are better (like DE safety razors) in some utilitarian way.
Analog watches aren't exactly one of them. Compared to a digital: they worse at keeping accurate time, most don't update themselves like "atomic" watches do, and some (like Rolex) may need some maintenance after a while. It's like a Japanese vs. German car - Japanese car is more practical overall, and German cars are often overengineered - but they're important to people who care about maki
Re:Meh. (Score:5, Funny)
In fact, maybe an iWatch wouldn't be a bad idea.
Oh god, no. You wouldn't be able to share the time with anyone else, and you'd have to use Apple's proprietary software to set it. Not to mention that it would be twice as expensive as any other comparable digital watch, and I'm pretty sure that they would pay a license fee to the RIAA for some weird reason for each one sold, which would then mean that the RIAA would now have enough money to start suing other digital watch manufacturers for infringement because apparently the "beep! beep! beep!" of their alarms is copyrighted.
Don't get me started on how you can't replace your iWatch's battery when it runs out...
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They need an Apple-like brand in terms of design that gets in there and promotes nice materials like a sapphire crystal face, clean lines, and minimalism. A digital watch almost always has ugly styling or just has too much going and is too busy looking. In fact, maybe an iWatch wouldn't be a bad idea.
I think you just described Movado watches [movado.com]. Clean, simple elegant designs. Almost all of their watches are quartz, and expensive. They're almost like the Apple of the watch world, IMHO.
I own one, and like it, but I also have some mechanical automatic watches as well that I like better.
Spam (Score:2)
As a rule, digital watches tend to look cheap and tacky, I've had analog watches of one sort or another for most of the last 15 years (nothing too fancy, all sub-£100) and they just look better.
Cell phones (Score:2)
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I've wondered about that - because it seems checking my watch is far quicker (under a second) than reaching for my phone, hitting a button and then parsing the screen for the time.
Yeah, I have
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That's just it how often do you check your watch? I find there are more than enough clocks at work, and when i am out I have my cell phone If I must absolutely keep track of time. I would rather enjoy my time than randomly checking my watch every 10 minutes.
I do have one digital watch though. It is a semi unique piece of a carabiner clip. It has a bunch of functions but ultimately it has a rolling countdown timer in it that I use to track rolling starting sequencing for racing. by being on my belt or
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Or because you can't strap your phone on your wrist. Also there are quite a few situations where phones aren't allowed, but watches are. (Exam, cinema, theater etc.)
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I don't find the e-ink watches by phosphor horrendously ugly:
http://www.google.com/search?q=minimalist+digital+watch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=shop&source=hp&q=eink+watch&aq=f&aqi=g-l2g-lm1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e88630cdc138baf3&biw=1920&bih=907 [google.com]
Re:Cell phones (Score:5, Insightful)
You can check the time on a wristwatch without being obvious about it. The same can't be said for a phone. How do you explain to the person you are talking to that checking the time is seemingly more important than what they are saying?
Omega FTW (Score:3)
I inherited a lightly-worn 1962-ish Omega Speedmaster [wikipedia.org] a few years ago and quite enjoy wearing it (though not every day, b/c it's so damn heavy). The Speedmaster is now marketed as the "moon watch" because it was worn by the Apollo astronauts. The Speedmaster was a good choice because of the plastic crystal that wouldn't shatter and cause problems in zero-G. It cost me a few hundred $ to get a new main spring and pushers, and works as well today as it did 50 years ago.
I like it because it's a good reminder of what you can accomplish without the latest and greatest technology. Sure you have to wind it every day or so, and sure your $5 Casio keeps better time, but it was good enough to help get people to the moon. Astronauts literally trusted their lives with this thing - the watch was used to sequence maneuvers, estimate oxygen levels and time spacewalks walks. And all this was done with a spring, some gears and highly-precise engineering. If anything, it's a reminder that if you are going to build something, build it right.
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Astronauts literally trusted their lives with this thing - the watch was used to sequence maneuvers, estimate oxygen levels and time spacewalks walks. And all this was done with a spring, some gears and highly-precise engineering.
The Russians just used a pencil.
(Yes, I know it's a non sequitur and that's not how the joke goes, but it still sounded like a funny punchline to me.)
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And got particles of pencil lead into/onto their equipment and in their air supply.
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your $5 Casio keeps better time
This is a misconception. Your $5 Casio will be off by a tiny fraction; e.g. 1/2 a second per day. But, it will *always* be off by the same amount, so that the error will accumulate - it will be ~3 minutes off after a year.
An analog/mechanical watch such as a Speedmaster - particularly those that are "Certified Chronometers", which are individually tested to a fairly tough standard - will drift. In hot weather they will tend to gain time, in colder weather they will tend to lose (the lubricant changes vis
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Not really. For serious timing and timekeeping they used the electronic and electromechanical clocks built into the spacecraft.
This article's about hipsters (Score:3)
Hipsters have discovered analog wristwatches.
Great news! (Score:2)
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The direction the loading spinner goes.
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Probably the same way we explain how phones "ring." :P
Watches are useless (Score:2)
Watches are, for me, completely useless, as I have a damn phone to get the time, weather and ... Pretty much all I need to know on everyday life. Analog or not, it's not useful for me (and I don't need/like jevelry)
I was there ... (Score:5, Funny)
And right now, I have my Dad's old analog on my wrist.
And ok, get off ... etc etc...
Could this be due to larger phones (Score:2)
With smart phones becoming cheaper and larger more people have phones that are difficult to pull out from your pocket and have less than reliable battery life.
This makes having the time on your wrist much more convenient to a potentially time consuming task of getting the time from your smart phone.
Ah there it is! (Score:4, Funny)
"Digital Generation Rediscovers Analog Wristwatches"
It was on my wrist this whole time!
Sadly... (Score:4, Interesting)
...reading an analog clock is a lost art with many of our young people. I often find my high-school students asking me "Mister, what time is it?" while staring directly at the analog clock in my room. It took me a while to figure out that they do not know how to read time on a clock with hands. So now, at the start of the year, we have a clock-reading activity that I stole from a 3rd-grade workbook.
Seriously.
Re:Sadly... (Score:5, Interesting)
'Arts' get lost as progress happens. I'm sure most people don't know how to make a fire, because we don't need to anymore (not unless we like camping or whatever and don't carry matches).
I dunno, maybe in a few years' time, people who know how to read analogue will be the 'weirdos who hold onto outdated stuff', as opposed to 'everyone except these young 'uns'
Re:Sadly... (Score:4, Insightful)
I find that when I look at my analog watch it is easier for me to inherently know what time it is than it is for me to articulate the actual time when someone asks for it.
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That's pretty pathetic, seeing as my kids actually learned it in third grade! I guess it's not really surpris
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It is sad, but I think it's a matter of what they are exposed to. I don't think I can remember not being able to tell the time on an analogue clock. My three older kids all have analogue watches. The clock in the lounge room is analogue. The clock on the VCR was digital but the VCR is in a box somewhere now, and was always flashing 0:00 anyway. Our alarm clocks are digital but that's more a size thing. The clocks on the various computers in the house are digital but that's expected if they are to take up 12
This feels like one of those PR firm news stories (Score:4, Funny)
I don't get it? (Score:2, Funny)
How in the hell are you suppose to load Linux on one?
Spies don't have digital watches .... (Score:2)
Did Rolex ever make a digital watch?
In some ways it's a better representation of time (Score:5, Insightful)
When I look at a timepiece it's rare that I want to know what time it is. Much more often I want to know "how long since" or "how long until" something. An analog display gives me this info much more quickly than digital.
Don't buy the macho routine with straight razors (Score:3)
It's not so much that these "heritage-macho" types are using straight razors so much as they don't really have a lot to shave.
They might own a straight razor, and have it placed just so on their dresser next to a bone-handled shaving brush, but they are certainly not using them.
Wristwatches never went out of style. It's much easier to tell time with a device on your wrist than with a device in your pocket or on your belt.
I'll bet that wristwatches were much less popular in the 60's than they have been since 2000.
Re:Don't buy the macho routine with straight razor (Score:4, Interesting)
In addition to the superior performance (at the admitted cost of vastly increased hassle) there is a sense of pride in learning to do something inherently difficult and potentially dangerous. For more information check out my tutorial videos on youtube, username = jockeys41
I'll also add that it's easy to spot a strait razor poser as he/she will only have one razor, whereas someone who actually shaves with them every day (as I do) will have at least half a dozen in rotation to reduce the honing burden.
Re:Don't buy the macho routine with straight razor (Score:4, Insightful)
"I'll also add that it's easy to spot a strait razor poser as he/she will only have one razor, whereas someone who actually shaves with them every day (as I do) will have at least half a dozen in rotation to reduce the honing burden."
You should be touching up the razor before each use (and during use as necessary) so having multiple razors doesn't reduce the "honing burden". If you can't tell a freshly honed and stropped blade from one a few shaves old I dare say you shouldn't accuse anyone of being a straight razor poser.
Re:Don't buy the macho routine with straight razor (Score:4, Interesting)
I have 8 razors I cycle through and although whichever blade I shave with must be stropped each morning, collectively I only have to hone them (with japanese water stones, barber hones, and finally paddle strops pasted with chromium oxide) about twice a year. When I was first starting out I only used one razor and it had to be re-honed after three dozen shaves or so, a little over a month. Even then, the honing is more of a minor blade refresh (start out on a 15000 grit stone and move up) than a proper honing. Once the razor is sharp it is inclined to stay that way unless misused.
Stropping, strictly speaking, isn't honing at all (unless a pasted strop is used, and that's still more akin to deburring than actual honing) it's more a straightening of the edge; the steel along the edge can become wavy after use, this is amplified by poor shaving technique. Myself and several of the others on Straight Razor Place have undertaken many studies of razor's edges via microscopy and there is a general consensus as to what makes a razor sharp and what makes it dull. I'd invite you to head on over to the website and learn and ask questions. From the sound of your experience it sounds as if you've been given one of the metallurgically deficient blades from China, perhaps a Double Arrow or similar, and have erroneously concluded that razors have to be honed every time they are used, which is very much not the case with a correctly tempered and hardened blade (over 60 rockwell) that will hold it's edge.
If you have any further questions or misconceptions please ask, I'm happy to evangelize on the subject
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It's not so much that these "heritage-macho" types are using straight razors so much as they don't really have a lot to shave.
They might own a straight razor, and have it placed just so on their dresser next to a bone-handled shaving brush, but they are certainly not using them.
Check out the shaving forums (yes, there are such things!) Plenty of guys actually use straight razors on a daily basis. Many more have gone the Double Edge route though.
The ultimate retro watch (Score:3)
Just by coincidence I am wearing my "Flintstone" watch instead of one of my analogs. Well actually this one *is* truly analog:
A Fossil sundial watch [amazon.com].
HEY SLASHDOT (Score:5, Informative)
why do you dipshits keep posting stories that are behind a pay wall, what is the NY Times stroking your junk?
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Because whether it's behind a paywall or not, it's an interesting & nerdy story.
Analog is a picture of time (Score:3)
Analog watches convey information more efficiently than digital watches, just as a picture of, say, the bison in Yellowstone, conveys more meaning than a descriptive paragraph of the scene.
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I've always worn a watch, never saw the point of lugging a cell phone around just to know the time, and pretty much always shaved with a straight edge, nothing to clog those things so you didn't have to religiously shave everyday or face five minutes of swishing the disposable around in water to get the hair out every swipe.
Dear $DEITY, am I H I P positive? Are there pro-viruses to treat it?
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I used to carry a pocketwatch and use a straight edge even though it was more work. I thought it was cool. Now, I use a phone and a combination of disposables and electric razors because I am lazy. If I shave with a hair trimmer to get my week's worth of stubble down to a manageable size the disposable will deal wit
Re:News for hipsters (Score:5, Funny)
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I've never worn a watch, hell I've never owned a cellphone for a period longer than about a month. I generally plan if I need to be somewhere, be 10-20mins early. Then again shaving is a pile of shit, I'd rather have a well groomed beard then shave every fucking day.
Stupid ass british aristocrat telling people that 'shaving your face' is manly. Pft.
Re:News for hipsters (Score:5, Funny)
I've always worn a watch, never saw the point of lugging a cell phone around just to know the time,
Cell phones are known for having other functionality as well as being able to tell the time. I've never seen the point of strapping a somewhat functional piece of jewelry to my arm when I have a small device in my pocket that tells the time, as well as doing a hundred or more other things that I find useful.
Watch can get wet, plus hands free operation (Score:5, Interesting)
Cell phones are known for having other functionality as well as being able to tell the time. I've never seen the point of strapping a somewhat functional piece of jewelry to my arm when I have a small device in my pocket that tells the time, as well as doing a hundred or more other things that I find useful.
My analog display watch enables hands free operation and is water resistant to 100m. Its a far better choice in the rain or when scuba diving. When hiking/backpacking/camping my cellphone is generally powered down and in a dry bag, reserved for emergencies. "Never seen the point" is taking an otherwise reasonable argument too far.
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Currently on my wrist - a Timex Ingersoll reproduction with grosgrain band. Purchased about five years ago. Even tells the date.
Either wear a cheap, simple analog, or something vintage and cool - a 60's Rolex or Omega, or mechanical Seiko. Those can be had for a few hundred used, and will last decades.
Most of the new "fancy" watches are garbage.
Faster and Easier reading. (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm an old guy - 46 - and I prefer dial/analog watches - although most are quartz.. I can read them faster. With just a glance, I know the time. And, I can't find it, there was a study that showed most people can read the analog time faces faster. IIRC, it has to do with seeing the digital numbers, interpreting them, and it requires extra thought. Try it. Compare the digital readout with the analog readout on your computers clock.
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Well, to your anecdote, I'll add my counter-anecdote. I'm your age (a smidge older, actually), and I'm afraid I've been using digital clocks so long that my analog clock reading skills have atrophied.
There's good research that in some measurement regimes, an analog display is better at quickly conveying a quantity, because it's spatially proportional to its maximum value. Hence, analogue speedometers get the idea of "I'm not speeding" across because the difference between "speeding" and "not speeding" is a
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If you really are interested in a transparent hd enclosure there are many tutorials on how to do it online.
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Bricks?
That's been done. [vintage-computer.com]
And no, the seek time doesn't suck. It's infinite.
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Or cars.
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People graduating with employable degrees into high-pay positions will immediately find themselves back in that yuppie culture that seems to die off (or at least subside) every decade before being brought back to life with each economic recovery. Part of this includes status symbols, so what better way to justify the purchase of a status element than to buy something that most others in their generation aren't accustomed to seeing? Most in this generation l
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They don't make gold digital watches.
That's always frustrated me. I would love to wear a classy-looking (ladies) watch, but they don't make them with digital displays! Why on earth not?
Ever since I got my first digital watch as a kid, I've never looked back. Now I'd be hard pressed to find a digital watch that doesn't show me time in 24-hour format, show me the month/day/year, show me time in different time zones, allow me to set multiple alarms or chime on the hour or converts to a stopwatch if I ever need it (okay, I rarely use that, but
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Gah, computer's fighting me for control today.
This [casio.com] is the link I meant to post.
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