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3 Firms Confess To Fixing LCD Prices, Agree To Pay $585M Fine 417

Oldyeller89 writes "LG, Sharp, and Chunghwa Picture Tubes pleaded guilty to charges of price fixing in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. They fixed the prices on LCD screens used not only in their products but also in other products such as Apple's iPods. The three companies agreed to pay $585 million in fines. Perhaps this will cause the price of our TVs to drop?" The New York Times also has a story on the outcome of this case.
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3 Firms Confess To Fixing LCD Prices, Agree To Pay $585M Fine

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  • Plasma? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by riceboy50 ( 631755 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @05:39PM (#25739061)
    I wonder if the price to produce a plasma television is just inherently much higher than LCD if the already generally lower prices on those were being fixed in many cases.
  • Lol... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ZekoMal ( 1404259 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @05:45PM (#25739139)
    And so, now that we have found out they have fixed prices, we can all feel free to sit with thumbs up our asses about the jacked prices we had to pay to feed companies that agree to pay a fine that is higher than the average amount of money 5 families make in a lifetime.

    And $50 says the CEO's won't be taking a dip in their salaries to compensate for the fine; nope, chances are they'll lay off some people and give pay cuts out to everyone that just does their job without trying to find a way to make a quick buck.
  • Re:Hmmmm (Score:3, Interesting)

    by powerlord ( 28156 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @05:46PM (#25739153) Journal

    Since its a fine imposed by the Justice Department, I would imagine the government gets the money (in part to defray the expense of filing and prosecuting the case).

    Irony of irony, the advert displayed below the story was for the new Samsung HD TVs. :)

  • Re:Plasma? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ergo98 ( 9391 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @06:06PM (#25739457) Homepage Journal

    I wonder if the price to produce a plasma television is just inherently much higher than LCD if the already generally lower prices on those were being fixed in many cases.

    Plasmas seem to have become a new sort of discount category, with large, low priced plasmas saturating the market (like 40+" for $700). The downside is that they're 1024x768 usually, and are usually off-brands. And the whole burn-in thing makes me completely put off plasma altogether.

  • Is this related? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by blair1q ( 305137 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @06:09PM (#25739507) Journal

    Does this have anything to do with the ridiculous inability of the laptop LCD screen market to put out 1920x1080 screens?

    It's as though they're keeping the market for TV screens expensive by not allowing the format to bleed into laptop realm, wherupon cheap computers become high-quality televisions, killing the TV screen market.

  • by Prof Dodecahedron ( 1233766 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @06:17PM (#25739609)
    Maybe they should fine the board members instead, and disallow them from receiving bonuses/stock/pay increases for 5 or 10 years. You can't punish companies but you can punish people.
  • by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionary@@@yahoo...com> on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @07:02PM (#25740223) Journal

    Of course screwing over others shouldn't be a crime if it interferes with corporate profits. Say, how come with all this price fixing, someone else didn't step in and offer LCDs for a lower price? That would have been proof that the free market works. Yet that never, ever seems to happen.

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  • More reason (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BigJClark ( 1226554 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @07:22PM (#25740461)

    To shop more intelligently.

    I *JUST* swapped out my CRT monitor after 8 years of solid, reliable use. I picked up a used LCD screen from my company for dirt cheap. I was never a beta tester for slow response-rate, burned out pixels and shoddy construction LCD screens.

    I realize basic economics tells us, that there is a maximum profit point on the two line graph of units sold vs cost per unit, but dare I say they could have actually LOST money by charging too much, and forcing cheaper consumers out of the market.

    meh, their loss.
  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @08:13PM (#25741017) Homepage Journal

    Normally, in the tech product cycle, as I learned in business school, you'd expect a 40 to 42 inch HDTV set to be running around $399 with rebate down to $350 at this point (1080p), but I'd been puzzled that prices were up to $200 higher than expected.

    That explains it.

    Mystery solved.

    If the price fixing is broken, we should see 40 to 42 inch LCD HDTVs in the 1080p resolution selling for around $300 around Presidents Day 2009.

  • Re:Plasma? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jkerman ( 74317 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @09:03PM (#25741497)

    What are their clients viewing the graphics work on? Paper? or a LCD?

    Serious question. Assuming they are better, does it really matter if your clients arent using them? I cant think of what media they could be publishing for where an LCD would be inferior /to the output/

  • Re:CRTs for gaming? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by denton420 ( 1235028 ) on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @09:20PM (#25741621)

    Bullet spray in counter strike is directly affected by your frame rate.

    The colt and ak just arent the same on 60 fps vs 100 fps.

    I pull out the ol 21 inch CRT when i want to play CS. The technology still has its uses, but beyond that I would never go back to a CRT for normal every day use.

  • by Lemmy Caution ( 8378 ) on Thursday November 13, 2008 @12:35AM (#25742949) Homepage

    Because the people who need it might not be able to afford it.

    I understand that a little bit of deprivation is necessary to goad people to participate in the labor market. But the insurance model just won't fly as a true safety-net.

  • Re:Plasma? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Carewolf ( 581105 ) on Thursday November 13, 2008 @03:29AM (#25743895) Homepage

    Modern high-contrast LCD screens use much more power than equivalent CRTs.

  • Re:Plasma? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Thursday November 13, 2008 @03:29AM (#25743897) Homepage
    The biggest advantage for LCD's is shipping. You can simply deliver a whole lot more LCD's in the same shipping space as CRT, in fact four or more times as many. Check the cost of international deliveries of bulky items and that saves the bulk of the money. Obviously the price fixing on LCDs was simply to keep the plasma screen production plants running for as long as possible. Looks like plasma screens will follow CRT's into history in the not too distant future.
  • Re:Plasma? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by lloydchristmas759 ( 1105487 ) on Thursday November 13, 2008 @04:07AM (#25744095)
    Reference on that please ?
  • Re:Price drop (Score:3, Interesting)

    by baffled ( 1034554 ) on Thursday November 13, 2008 @09:21AM (#25745623)
    True that. The punishment should have been forfeiture of patent rights. Hit them where it hurts.
  • by DrinkDr.Pepper ( 620053 ) on Thursday November 13, 2008 @01:06PM (#25748487)

    So the invisible hand was Adam Smith's belief that an Englishman would buy English products produced in England, or start a manufacturing company in England for English consumers.

    That is not what is implied by Adam Smith's statement that you quoted. His statement implies that when a person makes business decisions based on whats best for him or his company, rather than his country, he will likely be benefiting his country in the long term. Conversely, if you make decisions based primarily on what you think is best for your country you will likely not be benefiting you or your country. This is due to the "invisible hand."

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