MIT's Nano Storage Could Replace Hybrid Batteries 191
mattnyc99 writes "Last week we discussed Popular Mechanics' reporting from MIT, but missed one of the coolest breakthrough of all, something scientists have been working on quietly as Detroit spends money elsewhere. The Lab for Electromagnetic and Electronic Systems has been doing some mega-efficient work with ultracapacitors, which store drastically less energy than a battery but have essentially none of the drawbacks — especially via carbon nanotube arrays. Automotive experts say the new research is enough to start replacing batteries in hybrid cars, and plug-in vehicles might not be far behind. From the scientist who thinks ultracapacitors are potential competitors for the pack in his Toyota Prius: 'I try to contain myself, because it hasn't been proven yet, but it could be a real paradigm change.'"
Capacitors have drawbacks too (Score:5, Informative)
Re:less than batteries? (Score:4, Informative)
Ka Booooooom!!! (Score:5, Informative)
"And by avoiding the chemical reaction that drives traditional batteries, there's no real danger of a capacitor suddenly overloading--or exploding like a laptop's lithium-ion battery pack."
They won't explode like a lithium-ion battery pack, it will be a 100X worse.
If anything pierces the dielectric, all the energy stored in the capacitor will discharge violently in milliseconds.rtfa (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Difference between battery and capacitor (Score:3, Informative)
Re:less than batteries? (Score:3, Informative)
That they can be cycled as many times as you like without degrading, and they don't get damaged by being totally discharged. This opens up possibilities like contunially topping them back up with recovered braking energy, as well as getting rid of the buffer needed to prevent total discharge with conventional batteries.
Secondly, they are not volatile, so they could be built into a lot of places where you couldn't put a lead/acid battery - instead of your dashboard being
Re:less than batteries? (Score:5, Informative)
Probably already addressed adequately by other responders, but I'll chime in.
At the moment, ultra-capacitors may be best suited for systems such as hybrids where you have a constant, low power source such as a small generator in a hybrid. The idea being that you could get good power/acceleration out of a capacitor when needed and the rest of the time is spent recharging from the motor. All without the disadvantages of batteries. Think of it as a sort of electrical flywheel.
-matthew
Re:Ka Booooooom!!! (Score:2, Informative)
Gas tanks don't explode. It takes 3 things to get something to burn. Oxygen, Heat, Fuel. To get something to explode, the fuel needs to be dispersed in the oxgen and there needs to be enough oxygen to support the explosion.
There is hardly any oxygen in a gas tank.
There's an episode of Mythbuster where they shoot tracer rounds (burning bullets) into a gas tank and can't get it to explode. Not enough oxygen, and the fuel isn't dispersed in the oxygen.
Batteries are OK in that the rate of discharge is limited by the chemistry involved. It's takes a while to fully dischage. The battery might get so hot that it melts everything around it, but it doesn't explosively dischage.
Capacitors on the other hand, have extremely high discharge rates and require no fuel, oxygen or heat to explode. Enough energy to power a vehicle for more than 100 miles would cause serious damage if the capacitor were to fail from an accident or manufacturing defect.
Everyone may think putting capacitors in a car is a good thing, but you're essentially mounting bombs in the car.
Re:less than batteries? (Score:5, Informative)
2) For a given amount of charge, an ultracapacitor is a lot *heavier* than a battery bank. They're lower energy density (assuming EEStor [wikipedia.org] doesn't pull off a miracle).
Re:Capacitors have drawbacks too (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ka Booooooom!!! (Score:4, Informative)
Also, boats -- particularly inboards, are more dangerous. Gas vapor is heavier than air so it tends to collect in the bilge area, whereas a car has open air beneath it. That's why you're supposed to run the blower for a bit before attempting to start a boat engine.
Everyone may think putting capacitors in a car is a good thing, but you're essentially mounting bombs in the car.
Re:rtfa (Score:3, Informative)
2) Modern automotive li-ions are rated for a decade or two of service.
3) Modern automotive li-ions are non-explosive. Compare, for example, this A123 battery with a traditional li-ion [youtube.com].
4) Many modern automotive li-ions have very fast recharge times -- 5-15 minutes, depending on the type.
Don't get me wrong -- ultracapacitors are great. But until they can increase their energy density by an order of magnitude, they're only competing against the batteries in hybrids (and not plug-in hybrids, either).
Re:Electricity (Score:4, Informative)
And it's easy to insult environmentalists when you don't know what you're talking about. We already have tons of spare generating capacity for EVs and PHEVs -- everywhere except the pacific northwest. And even if we had to build more, as if electricity infrastructure was somehow more expensive to build and operate than oil infrastructure (it's far cheaper -- that's part of why a joule of electricity costs so much less than a joule of gasoline). [pnl.gov]
Why electric cars? Here's a primer [daughtersoftiresias.org].
Re:Sigh (Score:2, Informative)