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Microsoft Trims More CPUs From Windows 11 Compatibility List (theregister.com) 95

Posted by BeauHD from the PSA-to-OEMs dept.
Microsoft has updated its CPU compatibility list for Windows 11 24H2, excluding pre-11th-generation Intel processors for OEMs building new PCs. The Register reports: Windows 11 24H2 has been available to customers for months, yet Microsoft felt compelled in its February update to confirm that builders, specifically, must use Intel's 11th-generation or later silicon when building brand new PCs to run its most recent OS iteration. "These processors meet the design principles around security, reliability, and the minimum system requirements for Windows 11," Microsoft says.

Intel's 11th-generation chips arrived in 2020 and were discontinued last year. It would be surprising, if not unheard of, for OEMs to build machines with unsupported chips. Intel has already transitioned many pre-11th generation chips to "a legacy software support model," so Microsoft's decision to omit the chips from the OEM list is understandable. However, this could be seen as a creeping problem. Chips made earlier than that were present very recently, in the list of supported Intel processors for Windows 11 22H2 and 23H2.

This new OEM list may add to worries of some users looking at the general hardware compatibility specs for Windows 11 and wondering if the latest information means that even the slightly newer hardware in their org's fleet will soon no longer meet the requirements of Microsoft's flagship operating system. It's a good question, and the answer -- currently -- appears to be that those "old" CPUs are still suitable. Microsoft has a list of hardware compatibility requirements that customers can check, and they have not changed much since the outcry when they were first published.

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  • Wouldn't be surprised if this is to enable them to remove the meltdown related crap.

    • Re:Probably meltdown related (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Valgrus Thunderaxe ( 8769977 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @09:13PM (#65192945)
      I wonder what changed with these CPUs that they're no longer capable of running Windows 11?

      • I wonder what changed with these CPUs that they're no longer capable of running Windows 11?

        Wild speculation follows ...

        AVX2 code can have very different performance as you move further back from gen 11 Intel CPUs. Perhaps Microsoft wants to make AVX2 a standard baseline target architecture for Win11?

        Or maybe its AVX-512 Foundation that would be the baseline target architecture given Intel gen 11?

        • > AVX-512

          Some of the ML code I've worked with does much better with AVX-512.

          This is probably the real reason.

          Watch out, though, it was standard for a while on Intel desktop and some of the recent cheap Intels have dropped it.

          I don't know if they're smaller or just binned and fused.

          IIRC all of the AMD chips are safe.

          • Re: (Score:3)

            by drnb ( 2434720 )

            \Watch out, though, it was standard for a while on Intel desktop and some of the recent cheap Intels have dropped it.

            AVX-512 is highly fragmented, Its broken into various groups that may or may not be present. Its not a somewhat chronological approach as we had with SSE ... SSE4, AVX, and AVX2. It's more hit and miss for AVX-512. Each of the following must be independently verified to be available with CPUID:

            Foundation
            Conflict Detection Instructions
            Exponential and Reciprocal Instructions
            Prefetch Instructions
            Vector Length Extensions
            Doubleword and Quadword Instructions
            Byte and Word Instructions
            Integer Fused Multip

      • They are trying to push manufacturers to not stockpile cheap older parts and instead, start selling more stuff like 14th gen that include the neural processor for AI support. So they can brand more thing as Copilot+ capable.

      • They are still capable of running Windows 11.

        Microsoft doesn't want to give OEM licensing to hardware vendors still building 5 year old shit.

    • Re:Probably meltdown related (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @09:40PM (#65192981)

      I don't think they're removing any actual CPU compatibility. They're changing OEM licensing. OEMs can only pre-install windows on machines that they can get licenses for from microsoft. This is microsoft requiring newer machines.

      Everyone else can still install it on all compatible CPUs. That's down to what, gen 7 or gen 8 for intel?

  • So many gamers are gonna switch to Linux (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Shane A Leslie ( 923938 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @08:58PM (#65192923) Homepage Journal

    You only NEED Microsoft for work stuff. Nobody making art, music, or gaming absolutely has to use Windows unless the app will only runb on Windows, and there are Linux alternative or workarounds for almost every case. The longer Microsoft goes on with obsolete-ing perfectly functional hardware the more of that hardware will end up running Linux, and the more of the non-corporate--business related apps ( and games ) will just make Linux native versions as their primary compile with whatever extra steps for Windows or Mac done after the Linux code is golden.

    • If you're really making art you don't need a computer at all.

    • and the DRM / anit cheat code will move as well?

    • I think some will (Score:4)

      by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @10:18PM (#65193027)
      But I think the majority are still stuck on windows. You still take a hit even running under proton even if it's a small one modern GPUs are crazy expensive right now so people are trying to squeeze every ounce of performance they can.

      Also if you game online there's lots and lots of games you just can't play in Linux because the anti-cheat software doesn't work. As far as I know the big two fortnite and call of duty Don't a while Linux users. Although surprisingly marvel rivals is supported.

      I'm not saying that you can't do a lot of great gaming under Linux but that's just still too many asterisks. I think most people will just run unpatched Windows 10.

      Also I hate to say it but at the moment the state of Windows desktop environments is pretty dire. Default gnome is laughably painful to use and KDE plasma while better still has a lot of annoying UI problems that make something as simple as browsing folders painful. I suspect in a few years in overhaul will get done and clean things up but just right at the moment it's kind of a pain to use Linux on the desktop. At least based on my most recent experience running Linux and some VMs to write some Python code and a small flask app.
      • It has been demonstrated time and time again, that performance in Wine is better than on Windows. Of course, that is not guaranteed, there are many elements at play, just saying that such argument is not realistic. Also opposing the DE argument. You don't go Gnome, yes, that has taken the road to Hell. Cinnamon works nice, hadn't got any worries for years. Not used KDE for some years, but when I used it, the file browser was unrivalled in functionality. Regex to list files so easily usable, that was nice, I

      • Re:I think some will (Score:5, Informative)

        by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @02:06AM (#65193183)

        >"Also I hate to say it but at the moment the state of Windows desktop environments is pretty dire."

        I think you meant to say state of Linux desktop

        >"Default gnome is laughably painful to use and KDE plasma while better still has a lot of annoying UI problems that make something as simple as browsing folders painful. I suspect in a few years in overhaul will get done and clean things up but just right at the moment it's kind of a pain to use Linux on the desktop"

        There already has been an overhaul. It is exactly how we ended up with Cinnamon and Mate. If people are using "default gnome", then of course most people are likely going to have a negative experience. KDE is fine- just big and complex, but can do anything and works well. But for "the masses", Cinnamon/Mate/XFCE/LXDE will provide a familiar and non-painful Linux desktop experience (not forced "tablet" mode and yet not overly complex).

        >"At least based on my most recent experience running Linux"

        Join the last decade and try Linux Mint/Cinnamon and get back with us on your experience. Otherwise, I think your observations on the current state of the "Linux Desktop" are woefully outdated.

        • I'm in the process of rolling up out stock Gnome on Debian Bookworm and yeah, it's a weird beast, but a plugin or two and tweaks to the UI and it becomes a nice clean UI. Admittedly it's a work environment, so it's a bit more restricted, but I don't find anyone getting too confused. For the most part UI paradigms have moved in the same direction, so that someone can jump from Windows to Mac to Gnome or KDE and not explode.

        • Regarding linux desktops, you could be using Xfce, and you would have a functional, familiar, and stable experience since ... forever?

          Some people would also say "lightweight"... that is arguable, but I'm guessing, compared to gnome or plasma, it's probably the lightest of the three.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by DMJC ( 682799 )
          MATE is getting a big update in 1.30. Wayland support has been greatly expanded. We're a small team but I'm using 1.28 with my own patches as a daily driver and it's nice.

      • Re:I think some will (Score:4, Insightful)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @04:47AM (#65193365) Homepage Journal

        I think the biggest blocker to Linux adoption is not the UI, it's that you can't just google a solution to common issues. Every distro is somewhat broken out of the box, and when you google you get some copy/paste terminal stuff that has a 50/50 chance of bricking your install, and about a 10% chance of actually fixing your problem.

        It comes down to the great variety in the Linux ecosystem. Even between versions of Ubuntu things change radically and old fixes no longer work. That also makes it painful for software vendors to support, because they need to package and test with so many different distros. If they don't they get railed for not supporting distro X, and if they leave it to volunteers to package up they get support tickets for ancient versions.

        • "it's that you can't just google a solution to common issues."

          I've not had much trouble googling solutions to common issues. I am using Mint which certainly helps. Either the Mint or Ubuntu sites have an answer. But you are correct about the main point, google is essential to use Linux. Then again, I've had to look up "how to" on MacOS as well especially since Apple rearranged the system settings. I don't use Windows anymore so I don't know what 11 is like.

        • ...and when you google you get some copy/paste terminal stuff that has a 50/50 chance of bricking your install, and about a 10% chance of actually fixing your problem.

          Also relevant... when you do find some info, it turns out to be a forum post that's 5 years old, and whatever instructions are provided are woefully out of date and don't work.

          Information pollution is a huge problem.

      • Anti-cheat only has meaning for competitive MOBAs and the like, people playing single player games don't need to support anti-cheat. In regards to the issue with 'desktops', if all you ever do is load up Steam or Firefox then the 'desktop' really doesn't have much impact on how you use your computer. My Windows box is pretty much used exclusively to run Chome, Steam, and Epic, and the next time its Win10 installation cacks out I'm definitely making the transition to Mint or Ubuntu and just abandoning any ga

        • Yeah but that's something like 800 million people who aren't going to switch to Linux under any circumstances. Online multiplayer dominates gaming now. I wish that wasn't true because I prefer a single player but it is what it is

      • Also...the state of Windows desktop environments is pretty dire.

        While a Freudian slip, I couldn't agree more with this statement. When going from Plasma to Windows, I have to reach deep back into the "what the fuck" part of my brain to figure out how to do things. Windows' user interface is soooo unintuitive and broken on multiple levels compared the Plasma.

        KDE neutering Konqueror as a file manager in favor of Dolphin was a huge mistake, but it's STILL a superior file manager to whatever Microsoft calls that abortive excuse of a file manager in Windows.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by DarkOx ( 621550 )

          This I quit daily driving Windows after XP and boy anytime I try to use it now it feels like a constant WTF. I generally can figure out how to do what I want an usually fairly quickly but even basic copy/past/move operations are half hidden by default. Its one of those things where you are just like who thought this was the right default?

          I am also aware there are settings to change a lot of this menu behavior thank you very much, but out-of-box experience is just horrible. It is obviously geared toward u

    • And even for work, carrying a Linux laptop (or MacBook) and remoting into a Windows workstation can be a solution for many scenarios. It's only when it comes to screensharing that that's a bit of a pain.

    • On one hand, I am seeing more gamers than ever before who are switching or have switched to Linux, or who are now dual booting when previously they ran only Windows, and using Windows only for gaming. One cannot deny these are positive trends.

      On the other hand, most gamers are not doing that. Most of them are staying with Windows and mocking Linux, claiming that it is too fragile or difficult to keep working. Speaking as someone who has experience with Windows since fairly early days (Windows 3.0 and Window

      • 'On the gripping hand'... I'm feeling the tingle of berries across the back of my teeth... Helmet must be on the fritz.
        I see you're a follower of the the Wordsmith as well! First encounter in the wild!

    • You only NEED Microsoft for work stuff. Nobody making art, music, or gaming absolutely has to use Windows unless the app will only runb on Windows, and there are Linux alternative or workarounds for almost every case.

      I wish this were true. I've fought Linux for years on trying to get my DAW plugins working so I can do all my recording and mixing under Linux. My only alternative is to use "not as good" free solutions rather than the stuff I've paid hundreds of dollars for for basics like drum programming or orchestral arrangements. Yes, I know, the Linux user stance is it's my fault for supporting commercial software, but sometimes there just aren't available alternatives that give you results you can live with, no matte

    • You only NEED Microsoft for work stuff. Nobody making art, music, or gaming absolutely has to use Windows unless the app will only runb on Windows, and there are Linux alternative or workarounds for almost every case.

      If Valve can truly make SteamOS a smooth Windows gaming and desktop Linux experience, it'll eat half of Microsoft's home market. And I can't wait.

    • Microsoft would celebrate if everyone stopped using Windows.

      They make their money on SAAS and on Cloud services. You don't need to run Windows on your client to use what they are selling (even Office is a web-app).

      Windows is their legacy product. It is huge and complicated due to to having to maintain backwards compatibility. The profit margin on Windows is tiny compared to the margins on the rest of their business.

      Do them a favor and switch.

  • A friend brought by a new laptop he'd purchased from an ebay seller at a bargain price, wondering why it would hang while trying to complete the Windows 11 setup. I did a little investigation and discovered that this was "normal" behavior when attempting to setup Windows 11 on an unsupported CPU. The CPU in the laptop was a low-end Intel chip that was on the list of unsupported CPUs, yet the laptop builder had shipped it with Windows 11 pre-installed. I installed Windows 10 which worked, but at the end of t

    • The "normal" behavior when attempting to install Win11 on an unsupported CPU is to immediately refuse to even begin installing.

    • Apart from RAM and disk size, it's probably faster than my laptop. My 1st gen Core i7 Q820 is about 15 years old now, making it about 14 years obsolete. And it's stuck on a SATA II bus. Runs linux like a charm. I have a fast desktop for heavy tasks, but I mostly use this machine.

      Though it had an OK screen (matte, not immensely bright, 1080p) which is showing its age and a keyboard which is decent. And a trackpad which definitely exists!

    • Well that's a problem, because not everyone has the money for a newer laptop, and the amount of landfill MS is creating with 11 is criminal. Older pc's can run 11 fine, it's MS pushing new hardware.

  • Details, please. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @09:41PM (#65192983)

    ... building brand new PCs ...

    50% of Windows computers are running Windows 10: Which Microsoft is forcing people to 'upgrade' at the end of this year. How can Microsoft demand the latest CPU in a machine and allow a 2 year-old machines, to "upgrade"? This seems like an arbitrary demand for more-expensive parts in new equipment. And possibly, a plan for more control of someone's data.

    ... around security, reliability ...

    A little more detail would be nice: What problems are fixed by an 11th-gen. CPU? IIRC, Spectre and Meltdown flaws were discovered after a year of use. There is nothing preventing the latest model CPU suffering the same fate.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      There are no details needed. If you're building a brand new PC and you want to put Windows 11 on it, you need to use an 11th gen CPU or newer.

      If you have Windows 10, then you're doing an upgrade to Windows 11 (and this applies if you're going from Windows 11 23H2 to 24H2 as well - it's upgrading) in which case your CPU requirements are lower and you can go all the way back to 6th gen.

      It's only if you choose to release a brand new PC for sale at Best Buy or whatever that comes with no OS beforehand do those

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by evanh ( 627108 )

        Most are not buying at all. 10 year old hardware is still perfectly adequate hardware.

        • Yep. I have a 27" iMac from 2012, I think, and it works fine with the Ubuntu I put on it for Jetson programming and management. A newer machine would really provide no benefit.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      They are doing this so that in 10 years time they can drop support for 11th gen Intel CPUs. Even if there is no particular benefit with 12th gen, it's one more configuration to support, i.e. additional cost to them.

      Unfortunately 12th and 13th gen Intel CPUs self destruct. There is a BIOS update that fixes it now, but any damage that was done before it was applied is permanent. Better hope your OEM remembers to apply that patch because 99.9% of users won't.

      • Re:Details, please. (Score:5, Funny)

        by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:34AM (#65193719) Homepage Journal

        They are doing this so that in 10 years time they can drop support for 11th gen Intel CPUs.

        Microsoft never needed an excuse to do anything shitty in the past, and they won't need an excuse to do something shitty ten years from now, either.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          The reason Microsoft puts so much effort into maintaining backwards compatibility with software, and offers a 10 year lifecycle for Windows, is because businesses demand it.

          • The reason Microsoft puts so much effort into maintaining backwards compatibility with software, and offers a 10 year lifecycle for Windows, is because businesses demand it.

            Microsoft doesn't want to do either of those things anymore.

            Further, they have never actually been good at it. They have always had to special case all kinds of things to make popular applications work. This broke other applications.

    • You quoted the most critical part but seemed to have ignored it in your reasoning. This limit applies exclusively to OEM licenses on new machines. I.e. If you have a computer the CPU compatibility list is unchanged, go install Windows 11 on your 8 year old hardware. It's okay and supported. If on the other hand you are Dell and you want to ship a PC with Windows 11 on it, you're expected to have a 2 year old or newer CPU.

      Spectre and Meltdown flaws were discovered after a year of use. There is nothing preventing the latest model CPU suffering the same fate.

      This level of reasoning is truly dumb as you've just yadda yadda'd away every security

    • 50% of Windows computers are running Windows 10: Which Microsoft is forcing people to 'upgrade' at the end of this year. How can Microsoft demand the latest CPU in a machine and allow a 2 year-old machines, to "upgrade"? This seems like an arbitrary demand for more-expensive parts in new equipment. And possibly, a plan for more control of someone's data.

      Actually, not allowing the majority of Win10 systems to transition to Windows 11 without major expense may be a good
      thing in the end to finally get those frugal older people off Windows. Because having to throw away perfectly usable work computer
      at such a large scale is unacceptable. MS telemetry was always feeling icky - but with the new, no-longer-leader-of-the-free-world
      US administration in place, running your life and business off a Windows 11 PC may soon become a pill too hard to swallow.

      • > get those frugal older people off Windows

        Half of them are still running XP and wondering why it's so damn slow.

  • Running Fedora 41 no issues. I'm running Ryzen. Rule 1) no Winblows Rule 2) No intel crap ..... So far it's working out quite well!

    • Mint here. I share your rule 1, but 15 years ago, Intel was king of the hill especially for laptops, so here I still am with my intel laptop. It refuses to die and Linux refuses to be crap on it, though I did recently have a python package that failed with an illegal instruction. Likely compiled against a newer cpu.

  • What's the backroom deal? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Required Snark ( 1702878 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @10:06PM (#65193013)
    The only way this happens is if there is some hidden coordination between Microsoft and the CPU vendors. There's a quid pro quo going on.

    Microsoft gets revenue from new licenses, has more lock in to the latest Windows release, and reduces cost by eliminating support for CPU variations. Chip vendors also benefit from forced upgrades and having an excuse to cut their very low end products and move to more expensive chips.

    This how cartels extract guaranteed profit by controlling markets. When there's no effective competition, i.e. no free market, they can collude and charge what they want.

    A captive market is every capitalist's dream. The controlling players compete within very constrained limits and the only question is how the pie is divided between the entrenched parties. They win, consumers loose.

    • It's ensuring the existence of the TPM so they can really lock it down

      • The TPM is on the motherboard and has nothing to do with the CPU. There's already a separate system requirement for a TPM

        • Gen 8 or later Intel Core CPUs have TPM embedded in the processor. It's called Intel PTT and has all of the capabilities of TPM 2.0.

        • The TPM is on the motherboard and has nothing to do with the CPU.

          Aftermarket TPM connectors are on the motherboard. The actual TPM that 99.9% of the world is in the CPU (called an fTPM) and has been for over a decade (Intel started including TPMs in their CPUs in 2013, and TPM 2.0 since 2017)

        • My motherboard has a TPM socket.

          My CPU has a TPM inside. I can decide which version it acts like, 1.x or 2.0.

          My BIOS allows me to decide which is used, so if a new TPM spec comes out that will still work with a SPI bus, I can install an aftermarket TPM.

          All modern amd64 CPUs (including those from Intel) have internal TPM functionality.

      • It's ensuring the existence of the TPM so they can really lock it down

        ^This.
        They require new hardware with the newest TPM to protect their software against modification and control/limit how it is used.
        Otherwise they'll offer you some virtualized Windows App remote control cloud solution that locks you into their new software rent-seeking revenue model.

    • The only way this happens is if there is some hidden coordination between Microsoft and the CPU vendors. There's a quid pro quo going on.

      What quid pro quo is there in expecting new PCs to have CPUs in them manufactured sometime in the past 2 years? I mean this is Slashdot, a place where we were complaining about software limits on 8 year old hardware, and now you're suspecting some evil conspiracy because Microsoft is trying to make sure that your hardware lasts as long as possible and you're not screwed by Dell shipping you a new PC with 3 of those 8 years already expired out of the box?

    • This is only for new builds by OEM's, not for already existing builds using those CPU's. Those CPU's will still work perfectly fine with Windows 11 if you already own it. This list is purely for OEM's and Microsoft forcing them to use newer chips in new builds if they still want to sell the system with Windows 11.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by kriston ( 7886 )

      I fully expect government intervention to either extend the October 2025 end-of-life for Windows 10 or for Microsoft to extend support for older microprocessors in Windows 11.

  • MS must force upgrades to make money (Score:4, Insightful)

    by renuk007 ( 638802 ) on Monday February 24, 2025 @10:26PM (#65193037)
    In my opinion, the best OS MS ever made was Win7. It had an absolutely beautiful UI, and every "improvement" was shitty. It's possible to fix underlying problems without breaking everything else, but MS knows that if they don't break things, they can't then pretend to fix things and charge money for it. Windows 11 is absolute crap, and has 100% more unwanted bloat and bullshit than ever before. This affects the reputation of all the (formerly) great software engineers at MS, because very clearly it's the MBAs running things. Watch out for a "Boeing 737" type crash soon.

    • I know people who swear by Windows 7 in a virtual machine, in concert with other security measures to deal with bad actors.

      • Windows 7 was great in its day, and if you are using a VM then the architectural changes since then probably don't matter much to you. But if you are allowing it to access the internet or vice versa, you are doing it wrong.

        • The biggest threat to a Windows user is not the Internet, it's Microsoft and their spyware machine. You can't even search for files on your computer without it being sent to Microsoft for analysis. That little searchbox on the taskbar, everything you type in it is being collected and sent across the Internet. Are people so complacent they can't recognize this as a threat to their privacy?

          • Some of us aren't so complacent. My involvement with Windows will end the day I completely retire.

          • The biggest threat to a Windows user is not the Internet, it's Microsoft and their spyware machine.

            How do you expect they're going to exfiltrate your data without internet access? IP over avian carriers? That's not going to be a viable medium much longer...

        • I'm not the person in question, but no, they aren't giving it internet access as far as I know.

  • It has been known for some time that Microsoft doesn't care about it's user base, using any excuse to force them into buying newer systems that really aren't needed to run Windows at all apart from the built-in list of incompatibilities. At this point sticking to Windows 10 and bullet-proofing the system, or moving to a good Linux distribution would be the best option, rather than giving in to their ever increasing demands and abanoning your old hardware for a newer and shittier Windows 11 setup.

    • Oh please, this list is only for OEMs. Microsoft just says OEM's can't build new systems with these CPU's. If you already own a CPU which has been added to the list, you're still fine, and you'll still get normal support.
      That's the problem with internet these days, people don't read the full article and only the headline, which is written as clickbait. So this only refers to the OEM list for new builds.

  • It's hard to get too worked up about the OEM requirements specifically(especially given the bottom feeder tendency to use that long period of consistent intel branding to advertise "i7!" for some random garbage a decade old); but it seems potentially concerning given that relatively tightly restricting what the OEMs are shipping in a given year is also what you would do if your plan is to continue deprecating hardware on a much more aggressive schedule than you used to and you want to minimize the number of 'practically new hardware unsupported by win12/win1125Hwhatever' stories that come out when you do so.

    If we had some reason to be reassured that this was just MS remembering the lesson from that time they let intel pretend that a bunch of really garbage iGPUs were actually capable of running Vista, despite that being basically false, then it would be hard to get too excited; but we don't exactly have that.
  • Since my four year old gaming PC is not upgradable to Win11 because reasons, end of the year will see Linux on it, and that will be the last of MS that I have to deal with. Fuck them

  • Apparently it's a requirement for OEMs producing new machines. They must be 11th gen or higher.

    A few stories around the internet have clarified that you are still able to upgrade an 8th Gen or higher Intel machine to 24H2.

  • Still crap, slow, and tasteless after all these years.

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