Intel Says Its Desktop Core Crashes Don't Extend To Mobile Chips 25
Intel continues to grapple with the mystery surrounding crashes in its latest 13th- and 14th-gen Core desktop processors, but it's refuting claims that the issue extends to its mobile chips. From a report: Matthew Cassells, the founder of Alderon Games and developer of Path of Titans, claimed on Reddit that the company had noted crashes on Intel's mobile processors. "Yes we have several laptops that have failed with the same crashes," he wrote. "It's just slightly more rare then [sic] the desktop CPU faults." Previously, Alderon had issued a statement blaming "thousands of crashes," as noted by its own crash reports on the Intel CPUs. It also claimed it would switch its server infrastructure to chips made by AMD.
Intel's problem with its latest Core chips has persisted since January, but simmered for months while developers began pointing fingers and PC makers started working on solutions. To date, the most bulletproof solution has been simply to swap out an affected part for a replacement, which Intel has been willing to do. Intel has also issued guidance as to what power-profile settings users and board makers should use while it works to solve the problem. An Intel representative said Friday via e-mail that Intel still remains in the dark about the root cause of the issue. However, Intel claims that its mobile processors aren't being affected.
Intel's problem with its latest Core chips has persisted since January, but simmered for months while developers began pointing fingers and PC makers started working on solutions. To date, the most bulletproof solution has been simply to swap out an affected part for a replacement, which Intel has been willing to do. Intel has also issued guidance as to what power-profile settings users and board makers should use while it works to solve the problem. An Intel representative said Friday via e-mail that Intel still remains in the dark about the root cause of the issue. However, Intel claims that its mobile processors aren't being affected.
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Oh it's much worse than just the i9. Data centers are reporting up to 50% failure rates (mind you this means crashes and errors, not a completely dead CPU) from chips going all the way down the scale to the i5-13600. This means the problem of oxygen getting into the copper layers is widespread and systemic, which does not bode well for that fab line.
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Thats the stuff the classic computing community is seeing but on decades old TTL and DRAM chips.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a couple generations of Intel CPUs take on the same stigma as MOS chips have in the current day. If you are having issues, and one is present, it's the problem more often than not.
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Do you live under a rock? These problems have been reported on for a few weeks now, MoBo manufacturers have released BIOS updates (which helped a bit) after Intel told them they were the ones causing it.
How could Intel have "alerted us users"?
Not all our products are crap! Honest! (Score:3)
That is what I am reading here. Well, I guess it is time for some giants to die.
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They will weasel out of it, like they always do.
Remember the FDIV bug? They didn't replace most of those, you had to give them a reason why you needed it fixing and then they might swap your CPU out. Same with the Spectre and Meltdown flaws, they just released patches that trashed performance and you had to threaten legal action to get any cash out of them.
It seems they are already pushing new microcode and BIOS updates to limit performance and reduce the crashing.
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Microcode: The gift that keeps on giving....
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Why waste money on quality when you can buyback stocks instead?
How the mighty have fallen (Score:2)
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My 6700K is still humming along nicely with plenty of power for today's general needs. I used to be a gamer until Windows 8 came along but now I don't care. I have thousands of games from the Windows 7 to DOS era to keep me entertained.
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I'm looking at my i5-8500 in a better light. It's not so hot as the 7th gen, Windows 11 likes it, and the lack of Hyperthreading (compared to the i7-8700) doesn't really seem to matter for what I do with it. Any time I actually need performance, I'm running tasks that compete for the same execution units and block each other from Hyperthreading anyhow. It was also really cheap because I bought a used office PC and parted it out. There was no way I was getting a full size RTX 3060 in the original pizza box c
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They should never have put a fan on the CPU. (Score:2)
At least, not on consumer hardware. To be fully consumerized, it should have been able to run without a fan and special thermo-conductive grease physically attached to the CPU. Yes, I know - MS-Windows and JAVA would only now be reaching usable on consumer hardware; the alternative is to admit that the modern PC is designed to be like, say, brake pads, a throwaway commodity.
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HX chips seem affected. (Score:2)
The low end mobile Raptor Lake products may not be affected, but high end HX chips appear to be having similar problems to their desktop cousins.
intel has had issues with c-states causing issues (Score:2)
On multiple generation (at least 2 in the last 10-14 years) intel has had a serious crash issue when c-states were enabled in *SOME* specific cpus. Ie 100 cpus of exactly the same type and 10-25% will have the issue and replacing the ones that have the issue with another one will fix it around 10-25% of the time. It appear to be that on the voltage/frequency changes the pci/memory busses don't always work 100.00000% of the time. And when they fail it will be an MCE error of some variation and the OS may
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It goes far beyond that now. Allegedly at least one of their fabs produced defective Raptor Lake chips on Intel 7 causing oxidation of vias.
There's a miocrode fix coming in August. (Score:3)
The irony that I didn't buy an AMD because of memory problems, and instead bought an Intel. I'm not effected as of now and here's hoping it stays that way.