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IBM Hardware Technology

New Models of IBM Model F Keyboard Mark II Incoming (theregister.com) 46

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: What's even harder-core than the IBM Model M? The Model F, the keyboard that launched alongside the IBM PC in 1981. After a 2017 relaunch, new models with the original layout are here. The project, which back in 2017 relaunched a modern keyboard inspired by a compact space-saver version of IBM's classic Model F, is launching its second generation of brand-new premium input devices, and this time, various layouts will be available. [...]

Enter the New Model F Keyboards project. "Ellipse" launched it in 2017 and attracted over $300,000 worth of orders, even at $399 each. Aside from the not-inconsiderable price, what put the author off was the layout. Space-saving and reduced-footprint keyboards are very popular among serious keyboard collectors, and the project chose two space-saver layouts from IBM's 4704 terminal, dubbed the Kishsaver after the collector who described it. The F77 layout has a numeric keypad, but no function keys; the even smaller F62 layout omits the keypad, or as the cool kids call it, it's a TKL layout, which we are informed stands for tenkeyless, presumably because it has 15 fewer keys.

Which is why the FOSS desk's bank account would tremble in fear if it were not an inanimate table in a database somewhere, because the Model F project has announced a new range, including full-size and compact 104-key layouts and most appealing to this large and heavy-handed vulture, a replica of the 122-key IBM Battleship, one of which we've been hunting for over a decade. The project occasionally has refurbished original IBM units. Now, though, a brand-new one is a $420 option. If that isn't exclusive enough, your correspondent also working on a model with beam springs, the mechanism from 1970s IBM business products. The first model of the brand new beam spring units is a mere $579.

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  • Aside from the price. ; ) I have the F77 kishsaver and it's worth every penny I paid for it. Nice to see there is still an audience for these keyboards. Unicomp has them too, and yes, I have their Model M mini. Great keyboard too. Some people really hate on the noise though, and I guess they have a point. But nothing comes close to the typing feel of a buckling spring keyboard. Let them hate on it, lol. That ain't stopping me for using one.
    • by TWX ( 665546 )

      I've done the "superfloss" mod on my Model M at work, it's not really any louder than anything from Cherry that coworkers use. Plus it doesn't have stupid backlighting or blue LEDs either, which is a plus.

    • Well, of course people hate on the noise. I was watching one of the videos testing one of the units out, and I decided that if I sat next to someone typing on one of these, it would take me under thirty minutes before I went insane and broke that keyboard over the nearest solid object. I'm sure those keyboards are incredibly satisfying to type on, but damn, that noise! But if we're working from home now, problem solved, and everyone can be happy.

      I totally get how people can get hooked on a particular key

      • Well, of course people hate on the noise. I was watching one of the videos testing one of the units out, and I decided that if I sat next to someone typing on one of these, it would take me under thirty minutes before I went insane and broke that keyboard over the nearest solid object. I'm sure those keyboards are incredibly satisfying to type on, but damn, that noise! But if we're working from home now, problem solved, and everyone can be happy.

        I totally get how people can get hooked on a particular keyboard, though. I've been using the same style for a few decades now. Nothing else really feels right to me. If I thought they were being discontinued, I'd probably buy a handful of them to make sure they last me the rest of my life.

        You should have heard the data pool (what we called the floor of data entry people back in the stone age) when those keyboards were "the" keyboard. I never put a decibel reader on them, but I know it'd make your ears ring if you spent the day among them. Thirty or so people all going clackety clackety clackety for hours at a time? It truly was the sound of madness.

      • by Megane ( 129182 )

        and I decided that if I sat next to someone typing on one of these, it would take me under thirty minutes before I went insane and broke the nearest solid object with that keyboard.

        Fixed that for you.

    • The MAIN problem I have with the model F is the lack of LED for caps lock.

      I have the compact model F -- no ideal why I'd want to recreate the loss of deskspace. I kept the narrow keypad on mine. I would have liked 4 columns instead of 3 but I've been adapting to using the Fn key on the split shift. The ability to configure the keyboard firmware is GREAT since the default isn't to my liking.

      I don't think it's so horribly loud. I had the Unicomp Model M previously full extrended and now I'm torn about buyin

      • I don't see a model F on Unicomp's product list. Could you clarify what you're talking about?

        The beam spring keyboard mentioned in the summary is a standard layout, with LEDs. It looks like the same is true for the new versions of the model Fs. It's the older reproductions, which hewed more closely to the originals, which had the funny layouts and no LEDs. They both have steal chassis and no plastic rivets, the plastic rivets were introduced with the model M.
        • modelfkeyboards.com now sells their version of a model M keyboard ; it's a model F but with the general appearance of the model M Unicomp makes. modelfkeyboards.com also now sells a beamspring too; most their keyboards are new variations; I'm on the mailing list, since 2018. Unicomp isn't doing anything new.

          I own both and I prefer the model F but the layout of the model M; my model M has problems after I tried to save it with a bolt mod (rivets broke forcing a bolt mod.)

    • these keyboards are no louder than a typewriter. I keep telling everyone around me, including my wife, but they act like they haven't heard the sound of a typewriter in decades.

  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @07:30PM (#63429084) Journal

    Ages ago I ended up with an Acer keyboard somehow, despite not having an Acer. The keyboard had a "fat" enter key, and no Windows key. Otherwise, it was like other keyboards with function keys, a numeric keypad, etc. I don't know if it's actually buckling springs, but it's got a very satisfying kerchunk and I got used to it. Then something like 15 years ago I found some that were in good shape from a place with stuff like that and bought one online.

    I pretty much wore those out so I'm sitting here with a small enter key, and not only a Windows key but some other proprietary meta key wedged in between alt and ctrl, and I have no desire to use those gimicks. It's not a high priority, but if disposable income were in better supply I'd probably scout out some more of those old Acers. The AT to PS2 to USB chain of converters was kind of crazy though. It's nice to see them coming out with stuff like this in (presumably) modern USB or Bluetooth.

    One really satisfying aspect of those old keyboards was that without all the clutter, you could reliably do the 3-finger salute with one hand, and *forcefully*. LOL, I used to bang on it like I was trying to resuscitate the system. Nostalgia of course. It's much better now that PCs, even Windows, almost never go down compared to 1990s stuff.

    • No buckling springs on Acers. Those were probably Alps switches, though Acer did have their own design. They mostly used Alps switches.

      Closest thing to clickie Alps switches that are currently being made are Clickiez [zealpc.net]. They're expensive, but not compared to the keyboards in the summary. You could get some of those and pop them into any hotswap keyboard.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      The Windows keys can be repurposed if your OS supports remapping. On Windows you need a third party app like KbdEdit.

      I use a Japanese keyboard, and when in English mode I have the Kana key set up as an additional modifier that lets me directly type special characters like Pi, arrows, the degree symbol, copyright symbol, division sign, not equals sign, greater/less than or equal to signs, omega (for ohms), plus/minus sign, footnote markers, and so forth.

      You can do it with the otherwise fairly useless Windows

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      If you want a keyboard with a fat enter key (basically they move the backslash/pipe key to another spot, usually beside a shift key), then get a keyboard using a non-US QWERTY layout. Asian English keyboards almost always have a fat enter key, for example but are US layout in basically every other way (unlike say, UK English which will have a UKP instead of $ on the 4 key).

      It's just how the non-US English keys are laid out. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft was the main reason for the US layout being wha

  • by RitchCraft ( 6454710 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @07:35PM (#63429088)
    I have a small collection of original Model F and M keyboards, some I purchased or saved from the trash back in the 90's, a few I've picked up over the last 10 years for parts and spares. I'm typing on a Model M right now. I don't collect them just to have them. I collect them because I use them. Best keyboards ever made. You'll have to pry them from cold dead hands to get me to part with them.
  • by marcle ( 1575627 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:29PM (#63429238)

    Not for bling, but to be able to see the keys in a darkened room.

    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      1. Why are you typing in a dark room?
      2. Touch typists don’t look at the keyboard. Learn how to use your tools properly.
  • WordPerfect (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:42AM (#63429424) Homepage Journal

    WordPerfect was designed for those function keys on the left. People got pissed when the Fkeys got moved to the top, as they couldn't one-hand all those function key formatting combos.

    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      All sorts of software was, including every software development tool and editor. Moving the F keys to the top was one of the great tragedies to occur in computing.

      Despite the article suggesting otherwise, this layout is nowhere. to be found. It was the AT layout, not the mechanism, that mattered.

  • I wonder what they should call it?
  • IBM gear was never cheap.

    Are these any more expensive than the originals in real-Dollar terms?

  • I miss my old Ortek MCK-142Pro. It was a masterpiece until it literally fell apart.

    Someone could stand out from the crowd and make a lot of money by building and selling a mechanical keyboard kit that matches that form factor.

  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Thursday April 06, 2023 @09:00AM (#63430126) Journal

    Look, I'm a capitalist; I get it, charge as much as the market will bear* but does this really have to be $399?

    For a KEYBOARD?

    Is there some tech/material in this that is particularly pricey or complicated to get today? Or is this JUST bespoke pricing because they can?

    I'd love to have a keyboard like this, but I'm never in my life paying more than $100 for a kb, and even that price would make me wince pretty hard.

    *actually, ideally, at the optimal point on the price demand curve which is NOT the 'highest price people will pay'

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Look, I'm a capitalist; I get it, charge as much as the market will bear* but does this really have to be $399?

      For a KEYBOARD?

      Is there some tech/material in this that is particularly pricey or complicated to get today? Or is this JUST bespoke pricing because they can?

      I'd love to have a keyboard like this, but I'm never in my life paying more than $100 for a kb, and even that price would make me wince pretty hard.

      *actually, ideally, at the optimal point on the price demand curve which is NOT the 'highest pri

    • They claim to be cheaper than the originals adjusted for inflation. I haven't checked. Anyway, I've watched the Youtube video and they have metal cases and internal structures so *some* of that price is justified.
      I guess it's part "it's expensive to make" and also "because this is a replica of an iconic product and keyboard enthusiasts are crazy enough to pay this".
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  • I have two or three Northgate Omnikey keyboards. They don't have broken backspace keys, and were recommended by Jerry Pournelle, who didn't tolerate screwy keyboard layouts. I need to find them again to see if they still work. They do require a male-to-male Mini-DIN-6 cable, but I think I left one or two wherever I put them.

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