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Several US Universities Want to Use Micronuclear Reactors (apnews.com) 69

The University of Illinois plans to apply for a construction permit for a high-temperature, gas-cooled micronuclear reactor, reports the Associated Press, "and aims to start operating it by early 2028."

And they're not the only ones interested in the technology: Last year, Penn State University signed a memorandum of understanding with Westinghouse to collaborate on microreactor technology. Mike Shaqqo, the company's senior vice president for advanced reactor programs, said universities are going to be "one of our key early adopters for this technology." Penn State wants to prove the technology so that Appalachian industries, such as steel and cement manufacturers, may be able to use it, said Professor Jean Paul Allain, head of the nuclear engineering department. Those two industries tend to burn dirty fuels and have very high emissions....

"I do feel that microreactors can be a game-changer and revolutionize the way we think about energy," Allain said. For Allain, microreactors can complement renewable energy by providing a large amount of power without taking up much land. A 10-megawatt microreactor could go on less than an acre, whereas windmills or a solar farm would need far more space to produce 10 megawatts, he added. The goal is to have one at Penn State by the end of the decade....

Nuclear reactors that are used for research are nothing new on campus. About two dozen U.S. universities have them. But using them as an energy source is new.

Other examples from the article:
  • Purdue University in Indiana "is working with Duke Energy on the feasibility of using advanced nuclear energy to meet its long-term energy needs."
  • Abilene Christian University in Texas "is leading a group of three other universities with the company Natura Resources to design and build a research microreactor cooled by molten salt to allow for high temperature operations at low pressure, in part to help train the next generation nuclear workforce."

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Several US Universities Want to Use Micronuclear Reactors

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  • Students love to fiddle with tech.

    Article needs a whatcouldpossiblygowrong flag.

    • If the NRC is involved I doubt you have to worry. Very strict they are.
    • by Burdell ( 228580 )

      Georgia Tech had a research nuclear reactor on campus for over 30 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neely_Nuclear_Research_Center [wikipedia.org]

      • by ezelkow1 ( 693205 ) on Saturday February 11, 2023 @07:08PM (#63285849)

        Yea and Purdue has had one for more than 60 years now. Any engineering college that has a nuclear program probably has some sort of small scale teaching reactor, it would be criminal not to if you're offering a nuclear engineering program

        • by tri44id ( 576891 )

          The U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign had a TRIGA reactor for many years, but itâ(TM)s shut down now. They undoubtedly want a new one to get back into the hands-on training game. Not to worry, though, there are thirty other universities that have reactors to train with if you are committed to becoming a nuke engineer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          Itâ(TM)s a shame that the new reactors donâ(TM)t have the swimming pool water moderated design; students will never get to see the beautiful b

          • You need to check your editor settings. Unless, of course, you want all your "it's" to come out as "itâ(TM)s".

            I'm not sure you're doing the industry any favors telling us how we should get into engineering while failing Internet 101.

    • we have an homer on staff we will be fine

    • by AutoTrix ( 8918325 ) on Saturday February 11, 2023 @05:04PM (#63285613)
      McMaster University in Canada has had Plutonium reactor on campus since the Manhattan project.
    • Article needs a whatcouldpossiblygowrong flag.

      Modern nuclear reactors are so foolproof not much can actually go wrong with them.

      They are lots after than probably a ton of other lab equipment on a modern campus.

      Witness a Ukraine nuclear plant taking direct hits in an active war zone with no incidents.

      • by Rei ( 128717 )

        Every single reactor deals with immensely, mind-bogglingly toxic materials, covering every possible combination of chemical properties. By definition.

        And don't expect a 10 MW microreactor to have a several meter-thick concrete containment structure able to resist tank shells.

        Lastly, until this war is over, I wouldn't be breathing any sighs of relief about the ZNPP. It's still being used as a military base, will need to be retaken at some point, has huge number of casks of spent fuel just sitting out in th

        • > several meter-thick concrete containment structure able to resist tank shells.

          Tank shells will easily penetrate several meters of concrete. Any modern round will go right through the containment building, through the reactor, and through the other side of the containment building.

          One "problem" is that penetrators go right through such targets, if you are trying to destroy it then this is not ideal. For that reason, the US has things like the AMP round, which is destined to penetrate up to 8 inches of

      • Fool proof, yes. But what about "bad intentions proof"? As the number of reactors grows it will be more and more difficult to keep an eye on them and make sure that the fuel is not going to end up in the wrong hand. Micro reactors sound like a good idea until you consider all possible negative consequences.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday February 11, 2023 @05:16PM (#63285651)
      It's not really that big a deal. Nukes are perfectly safe when they're run by governments and public universities are basically an arm of the government.

      This was a private company or corporation that wanted to run nukes I would worry about it because they would inevitably cut corners for the sake of profit. But for the same reason I don't worry about nuclear subs I'm not worried about this.
    • As I recall, many years back when I was in Uni, we had a nuclear reactor on campus. Wasn't a problem, except when the anti-nukes decided to do something on campus.

      It always shocked them to learn there was a nuke reactor in "that building right over there"....

    • Students love to fiddle with tech.

      Article needs a whatcouldpossiblygowrong flag.

      New source of steam heat for the student dorms. Replaces fossil fuel powered plants used at many Universities in the US.

    • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

      Quite a few large universities already have experimental nuclear reactors. You can watch Youtube videos of them turning on so you can see the cool glowing Cherenkov radiation.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Saturday February 11, 2023 @04:53PM (#63285583)

    Penn State is the biggest party school in the US. Is it really a good idea to give 50000 drunken college students easy access to a nuclear reactor?

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Saturday February 11, 2023 @05:13PM (#63285639)

    and aims to start operating it by early 2028

    I was assured by the smartest minds of Slashdot that every nuclear reactor takes no less than ten years to build.

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      Given that the head of the university's nuclear department promoting it thinks that the alternative is "windmills", I'm not sure how much confidence to have in that claim.

    • by Local ID10T ( 790134 ) <ID10T.L.USER@gmail.com> on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:49PM (#63285807) Homepage

      I was assured by the smartest minds of Slashdot that every nuclear reactor takes no less than ten years to build.

      To build? No.

      To fight the lawsuits along the way? Yes.

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      Micro reactor, micro building time.
      Hopefully they don't keep the trend of making em smaller too much, or we might end up with phones that have tiny nuclear reactors in em.

    • I was assured by the smartest minds of Slashdot that every nuclear reactor takes no less than ten years to build

      Ones that will power cities? Yes. Ones that will power five or six houses? Oh yeah, you can totally build it in fairly quick fashion. But comparing the reactor they want to build here and the kind we build at say Watts Bar in Tennessee is like comparing the water delivery of a straw to a municipal water system. Yes, strictly speaking they both are moving water from point A to point B, but I'm hopeful the difference between them is apparent.

      Now you might ask about this part from the story:

      Microreactors will be “transformative” because they can be built in factories and hooked up on site in a plug-and-play way

      And the thing

      • > Oh yeah, you can totally build it in fairly quick fashion

        Name a single example of a rapidly built production microreactor design in use today.

        Oh, there are none?

        This needs to be pointed out because the industry has a 50-year history of telling us how they fixed construction problems with large designs and then building the next one even slower. For instance, Westinghouse stated that the AP-1000 was going to take five years to build. It did not. They went bankrupt as a result.

        So I think it is a good ide

    • by c-A-d ( 77980 )

      Building it isn't the problem. Getting past all the regulatory approvals and NIMBYs is the problem.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      They all "aim" to build reactors much faster, what actually happens though...

      Thing is this is a little 10MW unit. It's purely for research, it makes no commercial sense to build them that small for anything but the most niche applications. In 99.999% of cases it will be cheaper to get electricity some other way.

      You have many of the downsides of of larger reactors, the security, the oversight, the waste, the safety systems - but you only produce a piddly 10MW. They are only doing it because they want a nucle

      • They all "aim" to build reactors much faster, what actually happens though...

        What actually happens is that the NIMBY's sue everyone involved in the design, construction, and approval of the reactor. And as soon as any of the lawsuits is rejected, they'll sue again. And again...and again....

        They continue suing till the project is cancelled.

        Then they go home, pat themselves on the backs for saving civilization again, and then complain about air pollution, blackouts, and AGW,,,,

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          If that's true then as frustrating as you may fine it, it's a thing and it needs to be addressed. Thus far calls for NIMBYs to be prevented from filing lawsuits seem to have failed, as do efforts to change the law. So what is your novel solution?

          • Don't have one.

            I'm old enough I probably won't survive the next round of lawsuits (or possibly the one after that), and so I don't really care much what humans do to themselves or the planet anymore.

            In other words, enjoy your AGW, guys. Or your collapse into barbarism, whichever comes first. ;-p

  • Clearly there aren't enough of them already.

  • Bigger is better for nuclear reactors. In terms of logistics for maintenance and security. For amortizing development costs. And for managing waste. Even the efficiency is better with a large reactor.

    We're wasting time and money any time we're doing something other than putting multiple 500MW+ reactors on a single site. If you're not running a gigawatt then you should consider a battery system with a wind farm or solar panels or a small hydroelectric plant. If you want a nuclear power plant but don't want a

    • *given a fixed technology.

      High temperature reactors have an opportunity to be significantly better at an order of magnitude or two smaller scale than a conventional reactor. When you scale them up to the 100MW-1.5GW range they would be even better, but as a "research" reactor starting small is smart.

      • > High temperature reactors have an opportunity to be significantly better at
        > an order of magnitude or two smaller scale than a conventional reactor

        Many high-temperature reactors have been built and operated started in the 1960s. They have all failed to be remotely competitive with conventional LWR designs.

        For instance, the entire UK fleet of AVR reactors is high-temperature. This was, in fact, their big selling point when they designed them in the 1960s. They said that by matching the output of the

  • by sound+vision ( 884283 ) on Saturday February 11, 2023 @06:07PM (#63285751) Journal

    Research is one thing, but if these reactors are there just to generate power, this is the totally wrong way to do nuclear. To reduce the potential number of fuckups you want to concentrate the reactors in exactly the right locations, with exactly the right crew and security. The number of proper locations (no earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, etc) is small and probably not where some random school is. Distributed nuclear just sounds like more points of failure and a larger attack surface to me.

    The job of nuclear power is to get us off fossil fuels. It's a civilization-level endeavor. Build the reactor in the right spot and, from there, transmit the power to your school or steel mill or whatever. If that's not feasible, move your mill. Move your school. Don't move the reactor.

    Maybe it's time for a commercial nuclear nonproliferation treaty.

    • If the technology is inherently safe then fewer precautions are necessary. High temperature solutions offer a lot of possibilities, without reliance on centralized generation and lots of transmission capacity.

      • The development of high-temperature, gas-cooled micro nuclear reactors by various universities, including the University of Illinois and Penn State University, is set to change the way we think about energy. Microreactors can provide a large amount of power without taking up much land, making them an attractive alternative to traditional renewable energy sources like windmills or solar farms. The compact design of microreactors makes them useful for meeting the long-term energy needs of universities, resear
        • The development of high-temperature, gas-cooled micro nuclear reactors by various universities, including the University of Illinois and Penn State University, is set to change the way we think about energy. I was writing work about it at a university, it was a mathematics in nature essay, and it was a great project [samploon.com]. Microreactors can provide a large amount of power without taking up much land, making them an attractive alternative to traditional renewable energy sources like windmills or solar farms. The c
  • Large Public universities are often several hundred large buildings all interconnected by a centralized steam heating system. This makes them the perfect target for a nuclear reactor as a means to release it's heat waste or as one of it's main purpose. A lot of universities use coal or natural gas boilera to do this so a nuclear reactor can make a whole campuses heat and electricity usage carbon neutral in one go.
  • If it's good enough for Penn State, it should be good enough for me...

    I've got 4 acres. Let's do some math and compare this against solar.

    I did a rough calculation and found that, if I wanted to, I could install about 1MW worth of solar panels on my property. Scaling up to 10MW would take my nearest 10 neighbors, but lets roll with it. Cost would likely be in the range of $2/watt installed. (DIY I'm looking at $1) So call it $10m. In my area I pay $0.0981 per kWh, and I generate about 1400kWhr/year with a

  • None of these will be built.

    These are rather odd projects. Are the supposed to be cost-effective power generators? Research tools? The story also mentions prototypes for industrial adoption.

    Small power plants as cost-effective power generators are fighting the general rule that larger generators produce power more cheaply. Yes, the modular power companies expect that factory construction of a standardized design will get costs down - but that my just mean that cancel out the small size disadvantage. Indeed

  • What do they do to control it in operation - Thoughts and prayers?

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