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Raspberry Pi Inventory Improving, Could Reach Pre-Pandemic Levels In 2023 (arstechnica.com) 55

According to CEO Eben Upton, "hundreds of thousands" of Raspberry Pi Zero, 3A+, and 4 models should show up next year. Ars Technica reports: In a "Supply chain update" blog post ("It's good news!"), CEO Eben Upton wrote that Raspberry Pi has "set aside a little over a hundred thousand units, split across Zero W, 3A+, and the 2GB and 4GB variants of Raspberry Pi 4, for single-unit sales." During the pandemic-spurred component shortage, most of the Pis produced every month were going to businesses, leaving those in need of one or two for a project refreshing rpilocator and cursing their timing. Zeros will start showing up first, then 3A+, then different models of 4. Upton acknowledged this reality (and even linked the locator) and asked that people buy only from approved resellers and consider the Pico and Pico W lines for projects that might fit, as those lines remain strong. As of this morning, a few 3A+ and CM4 models showed an optimistic green on the rpilocator spreadsheet.

Raspberry Pi will continue to serve its commercial and industrial customers, Upton wrote, but will "make sure that inventory-building behavior which would otherwise prolong the shortage for everybody else can't take place." Meanwhile, Raspberry Pi will increase the percentage of boards designated for single-unit sales. With that change and future chip allocations, Upton expects that by the end of the third quarter of 2023, things will be back to how they were before the Great Pi Shortage, with "hundreds of thousands of units available at any given time."

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Raspberry Pi Inventory Improving, Could Reach Pre-Pandemic Levels In 2023

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  • by Major_Disorder ( 5019363 ) on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:39PM (#63125824)
    I was just looking for one the other day, and they could not be had for love or money. (I offered both.)
    • If you need a Pi Zero you can buy a Mango Pi which uses a RISC-V chip. Same form factor and everything and they’re actually in stock!

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        How is the software and hardware support?

        Another option is to find an old x86 thin client on eBay. Some of them are extremely low power, rivalling the Pi. Plus you get more CPU performance, more RAM, and things like SATA to connect a real SSD.

        • Re:Great news. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by itsme1234 ( 199680 ) on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:33PM (#63126076)

          The point of RaspPi isn't to be a wimpy (till recently and I'm not sure but probably still recommended) 32-bit Linux machine but the GPIO. Therefore in general it can't be replaced with a wimpy x86 Linux box.

          • by caseih ( 160668 )

            And yet a lot of people were using (or wanting to use) the Pi for non GPIO tasks. For example Octoprint, Klipper, various kinds of little servers. I myself use one as a NTRIP server that passes data from serial to a network server. Many people use a Pi for Home Assistant and other IOT server stacks. There are countless uses for a small box that don't involve GPIO. From what I've seen recently on youtube and the internet in general, most uses of the Raspberry Pi do not seem to involve GPIO at all.

            And for

            • Andreas Spiess, a prominent youtube maker, just did a video on how he's replacing his collection of Pis with second-hand Lenovo mini PCs to run his Home Assistant server, and handle various IOT tasks.

              A podcast I listened to recently also mentioned how he's replacing all his Pis with x86 oDroid SBCs that are the same size as a Pi but x86 and way expandable (does not have GPIO obviously).

              You could argue that all of these uses were wrong for the Pi in the first place

              LOL, yes?

              • by caseih ( 160668 )

                But at the time Pis became popular for these tasks there was no other low-power devices on the market. Right or wrong, Pi became extremely popular in this space and still is. I mean people were promoting the Pi as a mini workstation, or a media center. You can buy a DIY laptop case based that houses a Pi. To argue that the Pi is only for embedded hardware tasks denies that whole reality.

            • And for these particular uses the small form factor x86 boxes now look pretty good. They don't use much more power, and are much more capable, and are now available at very good prices. I saw one person run two Klipper instances on a single, small x86 unit. Andreas Spiess, a prominent youtube maker, just did a video on how he's replacing his collection of Pis with second-hand Lenovo mini PCs to run his Home Assistant server, and handle various IOT tasks.

              A podcast I listened to recently also mentioned how he

            • Yeah the Pi works fine as a small server for IoT devices. If your requirements include a sata drive then these devices aren’t for you. There is literally no reason to use x86 devices if their primary role is to listen for a packet and toggle a gpio pin. An ESP8266 will do that just fine.

              • by caseih ( 160668 )

                Sure I could use an ESP8266 to do what I am doing with the Pi, but the software needed to speak the protocol is already on Linux and the Pi connects to ethernet. So it's a no-brainer. Shrug.

              • If your requirements include a sata drive then these devices aren’t for you.

                Funny, I use them for that purpose just fine. (Admittedly, Pi4s with USB3.0 HDDs.) I specifically chose them for their reduction in power consumption VS a traditional x86 device.

                One's a NAS that runs multiple services (FTP / iSCSI / NFS / SMB), another set of them run a glusterfs storage backend for my VMs. The NAS in particular is perfectly capable of streaming HD video. The VMs are good enough. Although most of the VMs are low storage-utilization services like DNS / LDAP / etc. I do have a few that run

            • Honestly no idea why someone would run a substantial HomeAssistant setup on a Pi today. I did it for a year on a small system (~10 devices), and it was kind numbingly slow with dashboards and other fairly easy operations.

              I switched to NUCs with Proxmox and now have so much better performance, better firewalls, and the ability to separate non-core functions out of the Docker-mess (like Influx/Grafana), as well as a simple place to put the PiHole, NextCloud, Unifi Controller, and everything else... with exter

          • Re:Great news. (Score:4, Insightful)

            by SniffTheGlove ( 1261240 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:59AM (#63126520)

            Just wish there was a cheap way to add GPIO to PC's

    • I've been eyeballing the Libre. Looks about like a Pi 3b+ with 2G ram instead of 1G. Supposedly runs Raspbian.

      • by caseih ( 160668 )

        Looks interesting. The problem always is that each SBC has slightly different hardware trees and incompatible booting systems, often with custom kernels maintained by each vendor, even if the user land can be Armbian. It's not ideal IMO. To say nothing of GPU support being so spotty (if you need that). At least the Pi has enough mindshare that it's well supported and has mainstream distro support.

        Another thing often missing from these SBCs is software power management. The Pi had no way of shutting itse

        • Supposedly there's a utility for the AML-S905X-CC that can render a card dual-bootable on both the Libre and the Raspberry Pi. Different boot sequence but the same Linux binaries. And the Libre uses the Pi's pinout and form factor so there's hardware compatibility with the hats.

    • If you go in and offer love and money someone may think you're in the wrong industry.

  • they were almost impossible to get in the before times, unless you bought some shitty makers kit with a power supply that was so bad the pi complained about it

    • I don't recall having any trouble laying my hands on a Pi 4 shortly after they first came out. Before that I bought bare Pis at Micro Center a number of times with no difficulty.

      • Pi4s, yes. Zero W2s? You could as well want to buy a pink invisible unicorn.

        • Zero W2's are caught up in the current supply chain problems. They came out well after the 4 developed supply chain problems.

          Zero W's... well, I bought about 10 of them at $5 each when they first came out. No problems.

    • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:49AM (#63126710) Journal

      The raspberry pi is INCERDIBLY picky about it's power supply and will complain about voltages that are in spec but on the low end for USB. Usb is 5v +/- 5%, so 4.75 to 5.25. The raspberry pi complains about anything below 5.

      Even if you have a perfect USB power supply with 5V right on the money, no ripple, no droop, your PI will probably complain because you'll get a slight drop down the cable and it'll see under 5V.

      This is probably my main annoyance with the pi, though I've never actually had it cause problems.

      • I have. Even with the Pi power supply. Granted the unit is over two years old and trying to drive a 4K tv, but I had similar issues with 70% of the units I bought. I don't think any of the 15-20 SBCs I have bought over the last 5-10 years has been measurably better though, and the Beagles were significantly worse (and more expensive).

  • I'm so glad I bought a bunch of RPi 4s and ZeroWs before the shortage hit. I have three on my desk right now and a couple in boxes on the floor.

    Woohoo... I think I'll turn them into cryptomining systems.

    Oh wait... yeah... that's not a thing any more :-D

    • Yo boss, forget that banking job this weekend. I think I just found some guy online who has 3 Pis on his desk and some more on the floor. Yeah Pi 4s and Zeros the ones with Wifi. You know the good shit. Should we get the twins to look into it?

  • Who on earth is using so many Pis if they are going straight to business, and not then resold to consumers? Is Amazon using them in warehouses, or some surveillance state putting them in lampposts? (Its possible. Join the dots people).
  • I caught CanaKit when they had a preorder of PI 4 8G available in Dec 2021

    FINALLY got it a couple weeks ago - so a full year

    At the original price point and easy availability, it was a no-brainer to set up for a specific use - but knowing if my pi hardware ever died I might have to struggle a bit to find a replacement.... well, it made me nervous - In theory one of the other ARM based SBCs would likely have worked but I just didn't have the spoons, and I found other shinies to chase and forgot till I got a "

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