A Handful of States Are Driving Nearly All US Electric Car Adoption (axios.com) 337
Using monthly vehicle registration data, Axios is tracking the transition to electric vehicles in the United States. What they found is that a handful of states are driving nearly all the country's electric car adoption. From the report: California -- no surprise -- leads the U.S. in electric vehicle ownership, accounting for 39% of all EVs registered nationwide. Look more closely at the numbers, however, and it turns out EVs represent less than 2% of all vehicles on the road in the Golden State. [...] 4.6% of the new vehicles registered in the U.S. this past May were electric, according to the [S&P Global Mobility's] most recent data. That's more than double EVs' share of monthly registrations in May 2021 (1.9%). EVs still account for only about 0.6% of all registered vehicles in the U.S. Take California's EVs away, and it's just 0.4%.
As of April 1, Florida has the second-highest share of the country's EVs, at 6.7%. Then comes Texas (5.4%), Washington (4.4%), and New York (3.6%). Yet, EVs account for only 1% or less of all vehicles within each of these states. Besides California, the states or areas with the highest share of EVs within their own borders: Hawaii (1.3%), and the District of Columbia (1.2%). "Tesla's brand loyalty more than doubled in the month of May and was higher than any brand in the industry, including Toyota and Ford," S&P Global Mobility analyst Tom Libby tells Axios, noting that the Ford Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 are growing in popularity.
"We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of what's coming," says Libby.
As of April 1, Florida has the second-highest share of the country's EVs, at 6.7%. Then comes Texas (5.4%), Washington (4.4%), and New York (3.6%). Yet, EVs account for only 1% or less of all vehicles within each of these states. Besides California, the states or areas with the highest share of EVs within their own borders: Hawaii (1.3%), and the District of Columbia (1.2%). "Tesla's brand loyalty more than doubled in the month of May and was higher than any brand in the industry, including Toyota and Ford," S&P Global Mobility analyst Tom Libby tells Axios, noting that the Ford Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 are growing in popularity.
"We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of what's coming," says Libby.
The US needs a better charging infrastructure (Score:3, Insightful)
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Sure, you can charge enroute with planning;
If you don't mind waiting half an hour at each stop. Compared to five minutes or so when filling your vehicle with gas.
One thing is for sure, you'll never see an electric vehicle try the Cannonball Run [wikipedia.org] across the country.
Re:The US needs a better charging infrastructure (Score:5, Interesting)
Sure, you can charge enroute with planning;
If you don't mind waiting half an hour at each stop. Compared to five minutes or so when filling your vehicle with gas.
One thing is for sure, you'll never see an electric vehicle try the Cannonball Run [wikipedia.org] across the country.
...and here's why that's a good thing: https://www.nsc.org/road-safet... [nsc.org]
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Aluminium air with battery swaps could challenge the record.
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I'll bet you are a lot of fun at parties...
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No, more the part that you seem overly concerned with someone driving on a roadtrip and not taking breaks every couple hours.
It was also said, somewhat tongue in cheek.
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How are the parties you go to?
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Yep I and my friends have all driven after a "party", no problems.
These days, however, since we have Uber, if I know I"m going to be drinking, I just Uber wherever I need to go, but in the old days, it was extremely common to drive even after you'd had a few. Everyone did it.
Those parking lots outside of bars, were NOT all driven by designated drivers, and at closing time, they were all gone home.
Different times...more a
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If you don't mind waiting half an hour at each stop.
If you're not taking a half hour break every few hundred miles, you're probably a menace on the road due to lack of concentration.
One thing is for sure, you'll never see an electric vehicle try the Cannonball Run across the country.
That's bad why?
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Geez, we seem to more and more be becoming a nation of pussies.
Let me guess, you always drive the speed limit too, right?
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Out of curiosity, I just used A Better Route Planner to plot a route for a Tesla Model 3 to do a Canonball Run (Darien, CT to Los Angeles, CA). The 2842 mile route requires 19 stops for charging and is estimated to take 46 hours and 22 minutes, which includes 5 hours and 56 minutes of charging over 19 stops along the way. This is slower than the Canonball Run record of 32 hours and 51 minutes, but ABRP is assuming that you'll not exceed the speed limit by more than 5 mph along the way.
The longest stretch be
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> One thing is for sure, you'll never see an electric vehicle try the Cannonball Run across the country.
Ask me how I know you didn't even look at that Wikipedia page...
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Re:The US needs a better charging infrastructure (Score:4, Informative)
There's a lot more charging infrastructure than you probably realize.
The reason California is so far out in front is they've been incentivizing EV sales and adoption for over a decade at this point. Only a handful of states have had any kind of emissions/efficiency requirement (of which California is one) which are usually the targets for sales of "compliance cars" - cars that are only made and sold in select areas because local laws basically require they offer something. Lot harder to buy a vehicle in a state that it's not sold in.
So basically what we see today is the result of 10+ years of legal framework promoting, incentivizing, and in some cases mandating electric vehicles until they reach a critical mass of public adoption and become normal and desirable.
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re: charging infrastructure (Score:4, Interesting)
IMO, the charging infrastructure is still pretty poor, relative to the "standard" of how many gas stations there are to stop at.
I mean, let's look at the facts. At a typical gas pump, one customer only needs to spend several minutes at it. Then it's freed up for the next customer who needs to use it. At a typical "DC fast charging station", you're looking at an electric vehicle occupying it for more like 30-40 minutes.
Even giving the benefit of the doubt (assuming 5 minutes for each person filling up at a pump and 30 minutes spent charging), that means the EV charger can serve 6x fewer users per day.
The "saving grace" for EVs is simply the fact that in most cases, their owners are charging up at their residence whenever their vehicle is parked there. Presumably, they start out each day with basically a full charge -- and that's enough to handle their daily commute and "around town" use, without ever needing to use a public fast charger.
Still? That doesn't help anyone trying to do a road trip with their EV, or the folks who drive more than usual (realtors, traveling salespeople, delivery drivers, etc.).
Compounding the issue? Many DC fast chargers reside on car dealership lots, where realistically? You can't rely on being able to use them. They may advertise them as "free and available to the public", but often, they're locked up behind a gate when the dealership closes. And during the day, the dealerships use them for their OWN hybrid or EVs they're trying to sell, AND they often block them with other vehicles since their lots get crowded with cars left for service work, customers visiting to shop, etc. etc.
I've been driving a Tesla for the last 4 years or so now, and I've gotten really familiar with the charging options out there. Tesla has done a good job of expanding their supercharger network -- but they've also raised prices considerably to use them. It's typically not much/any cheaper than gasoline with the current electric rates in many cities (big "demand" surcharges for drawing high amperage current like those fast chargers use). When the cost savings over gas isn't really there anymore for a road trip, it gets tough to justify driving it -- given the much longer stops to charge up along the way. And on at least one trip, I had to find a 3rd. party fast charger to use because a big power outage in the area took down the Tesla supercharger station I planned on using (when my battery was really low already!).
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Counter argument: It's very dangerous to drive long distances without proper rest breaks. Why not take the train or plane & hire a car when you get there if you need one? It's far more relaxing.
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Here's a sample run from Richmond, VA to Sacramento, CA, in a Tesla Model 3: https://abetterrouteplanner.co... [abetterrouteplanner.com]
Here's the same thing in a Hyundai Ioniq 5: https://abetterrouteplanner.co... [abetterrouteplanner.com]
Note that this is of course assuming you drove non-stop (apart from charging), and in reality you would have multiple stays at hotels where you could probably charge and reduce your need for charging stops.
Apparently the infrastructure, at least along that route, isn't so bad after all.
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I'm actually surprised at the number of EV charges when you start looking at the map https://www.plugshare.com/ [plugshare.com] Sure not every one is a Tesla super charger but the amount of smaller 6kw chargers in little towns is a great sign. I mean we now have an official Cannonball run time (fastest time from NY to LA without getting arrested) for a Tesla. https://www.roadandtrack.com/n... [roadandtrack.com] The Tesla record isn't far from the 1971 record time.
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It's interesting to note that the Porsche Taycan has problems, in that it was often faulting out during charging because the charger was sending it too much power. Some software issue with the car IIRC.
The Taycan can theoretically charge ~10% faster than the Model 3 (270kw vs 250kw max for Tesla V3 superchargers), so if they fix the software problems it might be possible to take the record back. The CCS chargers themselves are theoretically capable of 350KW.
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The problem is the lack of a convienent charging infrastructure. EV's are great if you never venture beyond your home, but on longer trips becomes problematic. Sure, you can charge enroute with planning; but unless where you are saying has charging stations you still have to find a station, go there and wait for a charge. Since ICE is a lot more convenient, until the charging problem is solved EV uptake will remain small. Some of my Tesla owning friends dumped them because of the lack of charging availability on vacations or business trips despite liking the vehicle.
EV's only work when most people don't have one. The UK's grid is pretty solid but it's not going to handle 10 million cars charging at once... let alone the 37.2 million registered vehicles we have. The 4 or 5 charger per station (only about 2 work at any given time according to my PHEV owning colleague) aren't going to cut it and work has just said that no-one can use the chargers they installed in the basement car park (because they cost too much, so they terminated the contract).
First there will be a
Re: The US needs a better charging infrastructure (Score:2)
It is being built right now, across the nation. We're building charging for trucking now, and others are building charging for light trucks and cars. It's still early days, but it's coming.
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Wrong.
The problem is actually building the things. If you want an EV right now, you are in for a ~ 3 month wait. If you want an EV right now *that is not a Tesla*, you are in for a ~ 12 month wait. That is how backed up all of the manufacturers are due to supply chain issues.
There is no issue with EV demand. The core issue with EVs right now is its impossible to build them fast enough to meet said demand.
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It depends on your needs, a lot of people never travel beyond their local area or do so extremely rarely (if you're going long distance for a once a year holiday you can rent a car, or fly etc). Other people will have a car for local trips (commuting, shopping etc) and something else like an RV for long trips.
Many countries are also a lot smaller than the US, so a car with a 300 mile range can get you anywhere you need to go and often back again too.
EVs currently cater to these people, and there are a lot o
Re: The US needs a better charging infrastructure (Score:2)
Apartment complexes will install more chargers, because competition. People will move into the complex a half mile away because it has a few chargers. So there will be an incentive to add chargers to compete for "better" tenants. Gas stations will also start adding fast charging stations, and apartment complexes near those will prosper. It's taking longer than people like, but it's going to be resolved eventually.
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Utilities are already working on expanding infrastructure for charging. They know there is money to be made by selling more energy.
Just a population map (Score:3)
Relevant XKCD [xkcd.com]
Ok, so it doesn't match up perfectly with population, Washington state seems to be an outlier, but the fact that they report on total number of cars rather than cars per capita doesn't really help. Electric cars are going to be popular in places that have more and denser populations. They are also going to be less popular in colder climates because of the belief that they just don't work in cold weather (even if they do work reasonably well).
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The gross number of vehicles does at least reveal whose purchasing preferences and whose state legislatures will have the most say in driving the market and thus shaping the products' design. (Of course CA was and is the 800 lb gorilla with gas cars too)
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But they were talking in percentage of sales, not numbers of vehicles sold, so it was already more 'per capita'
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It's a little different as they expressly talk about percentage of new car sales, rather than a metric like 'total number of EVs sold'. So that sort of metric doesn't have to be tied into population.
For example, the converse statement "ICE sales are higher" in the same sense, but would be something of an inverse population map.
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Nevermind, they go back and forth between talking about percentage of EVs sold and percentage within a state but doesn't do percentage comparisons state to state...
It's a weird mix and match that is really just trying to support a certain story...
this makes sense (Score:2)
the places with the most population in the country have the highest volume of sales. im like get the fuck out, right?!
Massachusetts? (Score:2)
Odd... but while I can see MA is in the 2-4% range, you can't hover over it to get the actual figure (you can get it for RI and CT, though).
This doesn't include PHEV's, does it?
I agree some relative numbers (e.g. EV/capita) would be more useful. They do specify EVs as a percentage of registered vehicles overall, but not by state.
It's just the beginning (Score:3)
Every consumer car manufacturer has committed to making electrical cars, and most have committed to ending making gas cars. It's the future, and it's on the way. By 2030, most cars sold will be electric.
Don't worry about the numbers today. Think of the numbers in 10 years.
Should use quarterly data... (Score:2)
They should use quarterly, not monthly, registration data.
Some vendors are not delivering every month. In particular, Tesla tends to deliver all their orders at end of quarter. If you look at the monthly figures you see all sorts of weird month-to-month swings. If you look per-quarter, it's much more consistent and intelligible.
Asking the wrong questions. (Score:2, Interesting)
Making more battery electric vehicles is the wrong answer, because people are asking the wrong questions. The question people are asking is how to build the most electric vehicles when the question they should be asking is how to lower CO2 emissions in the least amount of time.
We'd get every plane, train, and automobile to net zero carbon emissions with synthesized fuels. The average commuter car is a small portion of the total CO2 emissions, and battery electric vehicles are only practical for these cars
Re:Asking the wrong questions. (Score:5, Insightful)
battery electric vehicles are only practical for these cars where daily miles driven are low, and total mass moved is also low.
So, "only" practical for the majority of uses.
Cargo vans
https://www.ford.co.uk/vans-an... [ford.co.uk]
You are simply, objectively wrong. No two ways about it. Multiple companies use make and sell electric vans.
trains,
https://www.alstom.com/press-r... [alstom.com]
But you know there's less incentive because rail electrification has been a thing for a very long time.
Re:Electric vehicles are not green (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Electric vehicles are not green (Score:5, Interesting)
The amusing thing is that these anti-EV memes are structurally very similar to the criticisms my spouse's grandfather was subject to when he took the decision to be one of the first in his county to convert his farm from mules and horses to tractors and pickup trucks. He would was always fascinated by new vehicle technology and would have been first out the door to take a drive in my PHEV. But some people just can't handle difference and change.
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Speaking of trucks, that's probably the real reason EVs didn't take off more in the US. The F-150 has been the best selling vehicle forever now and the other trucks are close by, as are SUVs. Outside of the ridiculous Model X, this market hasn't been covered by EVs at all now. The F-150 Lightning or whatever it's called is probably going to make a huge difference.
Re: Electric vehicles are not green (Score:2)
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Why do you have to subsidize something if it's better??
Why do you need to subsidize it, since it's better?
Your plastic example argues against your own point. Petroleum is successful in many other ways. So why does it need subsidies?
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The price delta is reducing and the cause is more the car companies treating it as an exclusive premium feature to recoup development costs. Higher insurance is due to the higher price, so you just repeat the price point issue.
As to why a subsidy may be called for, because we have identified an externalized cost in gasoline usage that isn't captured in the pricing of the vehicle or fuel. We want to mitigate emissions everywhere possible, and for passenger vehicles, a subsidy for the alternative is easier
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Why do you have to subsidize something if it's better?? If it's a better mousetrap people would buy it - they don't have to give a crap about renewables. There are legitimate issues like no way to charge in apartments and limited charging networks. The price is 20K more for similar size ICE, higher insurance. 20K buys 10 years of gasoline for some people and by then they can wait for better technology and batteries
Pretty much this.
Europe went down this route years ago and didn't learn when it subsidised diesels only to realise years later they're actually more polluting than petrols (especially in urban environments). If EV's really are better, they don't need subsidies. However the fact is that with EV's we're trading one resource (oil) for another, much rarer resource (lithium).
I'm no luddite, but we're much better off working on synthetic fuels given a basic understanding of how lithium based batteries work
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Why do you have to subsidize something if it's better?
You don't. Electric vehicles would have overtaken ICEs years ago if they didn't receive massive subsidies, especially in the form of externalised costs. Imagine if ICE owners had to pay for the healthcare costs induced by the pollution they cause!
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no cell phone for you eh?
Your comment is not intelligent (Score:5, Informative)
No cars are "green", unless you paint them that color. They are inherently less efficient than using rail mass transport. But this has been studied at length and an EV has less cradle to grave emissions than an ICEV even when charged from coal, because they are so much more efficient.
If you wanted to know this, you would. But you don't. You're willfully ignorant. That makes you worthless here.
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I mean sure, but I can buy an EV today; it would take at least 10 years for even a light rail to be set up along my commute. I think it would also take a significant short-term increase in emissions and ecological modification (for new rights-of-way, etc.) to build a new light rail, only with a long-term payback.
Re:Your comment is not intelligent (Score:4, Insightful)
All of that is true, but none of that is a reason not to do it.
I'm pro-EV in the interim, but they're not a long-term solution.
Re: Your comment is not intelligent (Score:5, Insightful)
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Maybe if the grocery store was only 5 minutes from your house, you would be able to go more than once a week. You also wouldn't feel the need to drive all over hell's half acre and go to multiple stores just to get the best deals.
I live without a car and have a family. The area I li
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Well, we have multiple grocery stores in the area....they all have different sales each week..and it isn't that big a chore to plan a trip on Saturday to run and hit them all to get what I want.
I don't, however, want to have to take time more than once a week to deal with food.
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Maybe if the grocery store was only 5 minutes from your house,
In places like NYC, those are called bodegas. There's one on every block. Convenient for buying chips, malt liquor and tobacco products. But not much else. Hence the complaints about NYC being a "food desert" in the past.
You have to look at the economics of operating large, well stocked supermarkets with fresh vegetables and lots of selection. They only work with large market territories. So finally, NYC encouraged several to move in. With their requisite attached parking garages. And then they proceeded
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Ok...I'm guessing "lift" means elevator?
If so, that would indicate you're putting me in a high rise apartment building. Sorry, no way.
I refuse to share walls again...I did that as a kid/student.
Over the years, I've put together a very nice A/V system and on occasion, I like to exercise the decibel range of my system and I don't want to annoy neighbors. I don't want to hear the
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I've explained to you before that mass transit and door-to-door transit are not mutually exclusive. There are several types of PRT system which could provide that functionality.
It's also been pointed out to you that you are in the minority. Most people want to live where the action is. And in fact, they do. Addressing the impact caused by minority groups isn't where you get the most benefit.
You have an outsized idea of your importance in this equation.
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Re:Your comment is not intelligent (Score:4, Interesting)
They are inherently less efficient than using rail mass transport.
That assumes there are a large number of people or large amount of goods travelling between very specific places.
Many places simply don't have rail stations - or even tracks, because below a certain level of usage it's going to be significantly less efficient.
In many cases it's also necessary to take a highly indirect route via rail, using more time and energy.
You also have rail systems which are only carrying an efficient passenger load at certain times, whereas at other times you're wasting energy moving large heavy trains around that are empty.
What's going to be far better for the environment is to significantly decrease the need for travel - by having people work from home, or live within walking distance of where they work. Then electric cars and delivery vehicles can pick up the slack for the significantly reduced levels of travel.
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This is a planning failure. If you look at Japan, the availability of public transport drives the growth of things people want to go to. Jobs, shops, education, homes.
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I think we're all meant to migrate into big cities to facilitate that. Which I would not do, but the truth is, it is more efficient for people to live like they do in Singapore, packed like sardines.
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If you think getting people to use EVs is difficult, imagine what it would take to get them to give up the single-family suburban sprawl :)
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Count me in on that last one.
I hope to NEVER have to share walls with neighbors again like I did when I was a kid.
I don't see myself regressing to have to live stack on top of other people like sardines.
I want my own walls, yard and driveway which support my current preferred lifestyle.
I didn't work hard to just live in a small box.
I'll save that type of abode for
Re: Your comment is not intelligent (Score:5, Informative)
Typical ignorance.
Typical failure of reading comprehension.
The ICE is just an engine.
Wow.
Changing the fuel changes its environmental impact.
What it doesn't change is its efficiency, which is always shit.
It doesn't matter whether you're burning gasoline, or diesel, or biodiesel, or green diesel, or hydrogen, or synfuel. No matter what, it makes more sense to burn it somewhere else, and charge an EV, because ICE efficiency is garbage.
A open cycle BEV (always the case, batteries aren't economically recyclable)
It doesn't matter if it's economical, what matters is if it happens. Since EV batteries tend to have a second life after they're used in an EV, rather than being recycled immediately, that second use also has to be taken into account when considering their impact. Batteries actually are being recycled as we speak, however.
never come close to an ICE running on hydrogen
The inefficiency of running an ICE on hydrogen compared to using a hydrogen fuel cell is abysmal. That is a complete dipshit move.
or well sourced ethanol (both closed cycle).
There is no such thing in quantity, and as usual, it would still make more sense to burn it in a power plant than to put it in your car. Ethanol is a particularly shitty road fuel in the real world because of its intensely hygroscopic nature, and its tendency to destroy seals.
ICEVs are just crap for daily use. They have basically two valid purposes today. One, driving into the back of bumfuck where you can't plug in an EV. Two, for operation in extremely cold climates where EV range is currently unsatisfactory. Both of these factors are irrelevant to the majority of people on the planet.
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That's not ignorance, that's just recognizing the reality, which is that hydrogen is just gas with more steps and ethanol is at the expense of food crops that people can eat.
Re: Electric vehicles are not green (Score:3)
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It's grading on a curve.
Usual current option: An ICE vehicle that takes a lot of pollution to produce and further itself combusts gasoline in a manner according to it's mechanical need for power with emissions controls according to the constraint of having to move around.
EV option with fossil fuel power plants: Power plants that operate on whatever fossil fuel makes the most sense for an area, operating according to peak efficiency rather than having to run at whatever level the wheel speed and gearing curr
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I beg to differ. I just drove from Mid-Norway to Northern Italy and back (total 5000 km) in a Tesla M3 and that was the easiest ride ever. The car found itself its charging spots (Tesla has their own, but no reason any other brand could not implement the same kind of navigation), and the range was just fine. The car handled well on ridiculously tight roads like Tindevegen [tindevegen.no] and on the Autobahn in Germany.
Part due to Tesla's Autopilot, part due to the fact that EVs do not vibrate
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A modern ICE engine similarly equipped will provide all of that, and the engine vibrations can be nearly imperceptible to passengers. Driving a hybrid on a freeway trip recently with lane following assist, automatic lane changes, adaptive cruise control. The car was such that I could barely tell the engine was running. It was every bit as taking care of things as autopilot and comfort wise pretty much just as comfortable.
BEV has a lot of advantages, and the downside will evaporate if basically every mall
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A used EV that still has a useful battery.
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Re: Electric vehicles are not green (Score:2)
Not really. One of the principle motivations for selling an EV is to avoid the impending $20,000 bill for battery replacement.
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Right. So how long will it be before a used EV for under $15,000 will have a good battery in it and not an impending $20,000 bill? Presumably sooner or later there will be batteries that will last 10 or 20 years, but that could be a while.
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Don't you dare interfere with my freedom of religion. There's a half dozen bought-and-paid-for Supreme Court Justices that will fuck you up [nbcnews.com] if you mess with my prayers.
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Thing is, "well sourced ethanol, hydrogen" isn't economically doable. Ethanol, for example, is by and large energy neutral - just as much petrol is burned if you're burning it than you would have burning the petrol directly.
Same deal with hydrogen, it would have been better to just burn the natural gas directly. And if we go so far as to be using green electrolysis to generate it, generally speaking, again, just putting the electricity in BEV batteries is better.
We're already recycling much of the batteri
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Well, if the label fits.....
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Re: Florida? Texas? (Score:5, Informative)
Close. The three largest states have about 27% of the US population and they account for about 53% of EV sales, so EVs are selling more than just their population would explain.
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Pet Peeve #208: Geographic profile maps that are basically just population maps [xkcd.com].
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Florida is not a deep red state.
Its more of a border zone between all of our various factions, that's a bit more purple overall.
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Hahah hook line and sinker. Slashdot wannabe socialists fall for trolling every time. Good job Comrade Pavlov.
Child, when your trolling becomes indistinguishable from Donald Trump's talking points at one of his rallies you are failing at trolling. When you do that I'm just going to treat you as if you really believe the stupid alt-right shit you are regurgitating and lay down a really thick layer of sarcasm on top it.
Re: Florida? Texas? (Score:5, Informative)
Even Donald Trump does not say stuff as stupid as I do.
You overestimate your skill at stupid.
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Mod fatarse incel sock puppet troll down.
Re: Florida? Texas? (Score:5, Informative)
The Democrats beat him to it, elite libs can no longer get an EV credit on $100,000 EV's. The new EV credits only apply to cars that sell for less than $55,000 and only to people who make less than $150,000.
Re: Florida? Texas? (Score:5, Informative)
If you are single on $150k at least, with a family it jumps to $300k.
. They would be limited to families with adjusted gross incomes of up to $300,000 annually.
https://www.reuters.com/market... [reuters.com]
Also, the $55k limit is only for cars, the truck and van limit is $80k, so the F-150, Rivian, Hummer, and Cybertruck should make it under that number as long as they aren't the top model.
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Here's what a home hydrogen station [greencarreports.com] looks like in reality: a 2 1/2 meter tall box with the floor space of two industrial refrigerators, capable of holding up to 5kg H2, at a price unstated but said to be "much less than $2-3 million" and takes 15 minutes to fill the first kg (unclear if it slows down over time or maintains its speed). And if you know anything about electrolysis, you'll know that the efficiency of such small-scale electrolyzers is vastly less than that of industrial (steam) electrolyzers an
Re: Champagne Socialists (Score:2)
Necessity is the mother of invention, assuming we survive long enough then whether by CO emission limits or peak oil change will come.
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It's OK, even if you had a charger you could not buy one, because they are backordered for 12 months due to demand outstripping supply.
Welfare states should get no say (Score:3)
The rich states must prop up the welfare states... yet most the time the POOR states are blocking the majority of the nation (who live in rich states) from doing what they want... Senate: Undemocratic and the filibuster is unconstitutional legalese who's history in helping the fall of Rome should have been a lesson for all of recorded history (to say nothing of it's racist history.)