Raspberry Pi Introduces a $6 Board With Wi-Fi (techcrunch.com) 64
Everyone's favorite versatile microcontroller maker, Raspberry Pi, just unveiled a handful of new, budget-minded products. The company is building on the success of its $4 Pico board, which has thus far moved just under two million units since its January 2021 launch. From a report: The new Pico W is launching today for $6 -- the "W" (and additional $2) brings 802.11 Wi-Fi connectivity to the system. The $5 Pico H adds a pre-populated header for interfacing with other systems; the Pico WH ($7) gets you both. The first two are available right now, while WH is shipping at some point in August. As the company notes, its boards have found a lot of success beyond their initial hobbyist and educational focus, as companies have begun to intregrate the controllers directly into their products.
Wish (Score:2)
I just wish I could get video acceleration working on a Pi 4.
Re: Wish (Score:5, Insightful)
I just wish I could find a pi 4
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I just wish I could find a pi 4
I could really use two more right now.
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I just wish I could find a pi 4
I just purchased one last week and it arrived today. Great fun so far.
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I'll sell you mine, without video acceleration it's worthless to me. R Pi 4GB Cannakit Ultimate I believe.
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If I remember correctly from my own problems with the Pi 4, video acceleration generally works, but the Pi 4 has no hardware support for H.264, so no software can ever enable it.
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There's some kind of hardware decode support, but I'm not sure if it runs on fixed-function hardware or is just using GPU compute for it. There are also various limitations in terms of supported formats, but it looks like some work was done to let a Pi 4 decode 4K video at around 40 FPS:
https://blog.eiler.eu/posts/20... [eiler.eu]
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I can't get mine to play 480 video without choppiness. I've tried the Raspian and Ubuntu distros.
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the Pi 4 has no hardware support for H.264
It does have an H.265/HEVC hardware decoder, however.
News Flash! More products you can't get! (Score:4, Insightful)
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So sad to see announcements for yet more products that are going to be nearly impossible to find in stock until the 2030s.
They were only able to ship two million Pico boards, during a global pandemic.
Confidence is...low?
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It doesnt say they shipped 2 million boards, just that they've sold 2 million boards so they may not have shipped any yet
Pico boards haven't been to hard to find in stock and at MSRP. It's mainly the Pi 3 and 4 that's been unobtanium. Unfortunately those are in demand by hobbyist as well as commercial customers and they just can't build them fast enough right now.
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It doesnt say they shipped 2 million boards, just that they've sold 2 million boards so they may not have shipped any yet
Pico boards haven't been to hard to find in stock and at MSRP. It's mainly the Pi 3 and 4 that's been unobtanium. Unfortunately those are in demand by hobbyist as well as commercial customers and they just can't build them fast enough right now.
Add to this the Pi Zero v2, which I think is the best Pi for headless (no-display) use. I've trying to source one for an IP camera project, given that most of the ready-made IP cameras (both PRC and Taiwanese) have Linux operating systems that require some dirty hacks to replace or even merely tweak.
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They were only able to ship two million Pico boards, during a global pandemic.
A small consolation for anyone trying to get their hands on a Pi 4. There's nothing to defend here. The Rpi foundation has always had logistic problems, the pandemic only made it worse.
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The problem is that they can't get enough of the processors. The manufacturing facility is not the limiting factor. The company that sells the SoCs for the Pi line (other than the Pico), Broadcom, isn't supplying them with an adequate supply. Broadcom, in turn, probably can't get enough of them from their fabrication partners (Broadcom operates one fab, but many of their chips are made by outside fabs), and what capacity they can get is mostly going to higher-profit products rather than SoCs for Raspberry P
Re:News Flash! More products you can't get! (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.adafruit.com/produ... [adafruit.com]
https://thepihut.com/collectio... [thepihut.com]
Picos have been in stock. They are entirely a Pi design so they have far more control over their components.
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Both of those links are entirely out of stock...
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I hope it's better than their Zero W boards, which even when they were in stock were limited to one purchase per customer at most sellers.
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I got 5 of the non-wifi models without any problem at all and pretty much at advertised prices. A quick search on Aliexpress has several sellers with ~ 10k available (original and clone) and item plus shipping to Europe at around $4. For this one I did not find a source, it is probably too new.
This is not a specialty low-volume chip were doing a run requires pooling due to low numbers and still not enough volume for a real run. It is also not a very high volume chip. Ideal for sharing with a number of other
WTF (Score:1)
Why have so many versions? One or two bucks does not make a difference. Just make everything with wifi on it. How can you make a smart product without wifi nowadays?
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If you're making a product that ships millions of units $1 or $2 does make a difference. Extra unnecessary components also possibly mean more power draw. Finally, adding wifi to things that don't require it is a security concern.
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Finally, adding wifi to things that don't require it is a security concern.
Yes, I'm sure security concerns will be raised, said no one representing the Internet of Thingy Greed...
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Finally, adding wifi to things that don't require it is a security concern.
Indeed. That is why I have 5 of the non-WIFI ones and will likely get zero of these.
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Why have so many versions?
Different use cases.
Just make everything with wifi on it.
Did you write: "Just make everything have a high battery drain"? Different use cases. If you don't like the features, don't buy it. For someone else the lack of pointless electronics is important.
How can you make a smart product without wifi nowadays?
The majority of smart products do not have wifi, they are some other wireless or bus based systems. If you're lucky they have a network gateway with wifi.
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The 'Pi Pico' is sort of an intermediate between being a dev board and being intended for use as the mainboard of something or integrated onto the mainboard of something(sticker price for the RP2040 alone is $1, the base-model pico is $3 for the(required for the 2040) external SPI flash along with all the passives and bits and pieces required to make a complete system on a board designed to be usable either standalone or mounted(edge castellations and through-holes on the 40
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It does make a difference. Not everybody earns a buck a minute. Also, power consumption with WiFi is higher and system complexity as well. There may even be people (like me) that do not want WiFi.
Available when? (Score:1)
I mean, for less than 200 bucks.
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Mine was in the mail before this posting came online and I paid about 7 Dollars, in Europe. Should arrive tomorrow.
And when I finished playing with it you can have it for 100 Bucks. Deal?
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Source or didn't happen.
"Everyone's favorite versatile microcontroller" (Score:2)
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I would call them microcomputers. It is on PCB, as SoC is expected to be on chip by definition.
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My issue with Arduino is that dumb c++ style coding scheme. If every line requires a semicolon at the end then it's the same as no line having a semicolon.
Re:"Everyone's favorite versatile microcontroller" (Score:5, Insightful)
My issue with Arduino is that dumb c++ style coding scheme. If every line requires a semicolon at the end
OMG, you prefer syntactically significant whitespace? I fear too much Python programming has rotted your brain.
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If you have an issue with programming languages requiring termination on their statements then please PLEASE help us, save us all by never ever programming again.
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Arduino isn't a microcontroller. It runs on the pico though.
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Arduino is not a microcontroller, it's a system. And these days it covers a lot more than AVR-based hardware made by the Arduino guys. In fact I'd go so far as to say that none of the most interesting Arduino-compatible devices are AVR, except maybe the attiny variants. Those are still super interesting for the most limited applications.
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If anyone rips out an AVR based Arduino I reach for my revolver. Any other board, that works fine with Arduino is 10-50 times faster and costs less. And smaller.
Hell, a Teensy 4 is about at price parity, runs at 600 MHz, uses less power and has a FPU.
Where are the useful ones? (Score:1)
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Um, Raspberry PI, your brand is dying.
Nobody uses them any more, they're too popular.
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In what way, in the way that they are perpetually sold out due to high demand?
RISC-V (Score:2)
If anyone wants to try the RISC-V bandwagon I just purchased a Sipeed Lichee RV from AliExpress. Before anyone bitches about sata ports or bandwidth no this board isn't designed for that. It has modest specs and perfectly fits my intended application. You'll need to buy the dock pcb as an extra and they do publish schematics. I think Alliwinner even publishes the Verilog code for the chip.
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I have both, must really run it through a power meter to see which uses more or less juice.
Missed opportunity (Score:1)
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Encouraging people to do SMD soldering an wreck the boards is seldom an engineering goal.
SMD soldering is a rather rare skill requiring a bit of kit.
ESP32 (Score:3)
Interesting to see how well this performs against the ESP32.
Raspberry has a solid brand name, but the ESP32 seems to perform significantly better, particularly floating point operations, and has been in the market for years now.
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I'm more interesting in how power efficient they are. The ESP32 isn't great for battery/solar powered devices. For really low power stuff you need a separate MCU that uses the ESP like a peripheral, only powering it up when it needs to talk to the wifi.
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ESP32 is also a lot smaller. Pico W is basically double the size, which kills it for me.