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DRAM Prices To Drop 3-8% Due To Ukraine War, Inflation (theregister.com) 47

Taiwanese research firm TrendForce said Monday that DRAM pricing for commercial buyers is forecast to drop around three to eight percent across those markets in the third quarter compared to the previous three months. Even prices for DDR5 modules in the PC market could drop as much as five percent from July to September. The Register reports: This could result in DRAM buyers, such as system vendors and distributors, reducing prices for end users if they hope to stimulate demand in markets like PC and smartphones where sales have waned. We suppose they could try to profit on the decreased memory prices, but with many people tightening their budgets, we hope this won't be the case. The culprit for the DRAM price drop is one that we've been hearing a great deal about in the past few months: weaker demand for consumer electronics, including PCs and smartphones, as a result of high inflation and Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine, according to TrendForce.

The weaker consumer demand means DRAM inventories are building up at system vendors and distributors, which means they don't need to buy as much in the near future. This, in turn, is why memory prices are dropping, the research firm said. On the PC side, DDR4 memory pricing is expected to drop three to eight percent in the third quarter of 2022 after only seeing a zero to five percent decline in the second quarter. DDR5 pricing, on the other hand, is set to drop by only zero to five percent in Q3 after seeing a three to eight percent plummet in the previous quarter. For certain DRAM products, prices could see a steeper decline of more than eight percent, according to TrendForce, though the firm didn't say which products this would include. TrendForce said PC makers are focused on getting rid of their existing DRAM inventories, and a continuously "sluggish" market means they'll be reticent to buy much more memory.

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DRAM Prices To Drop 3-8% Due To Ukraine War, Inflation

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  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @07:57PM (#62640870)
    we've entered what's called "demand destruction" territory. Where people start switching to electric cars or ditching SUVs.
    • by crow ( 16139 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @08:04PM (#62640890) Homepage Journal

      The demand for electric cars already exceeded production, so there is no real shift to EVs, despite reports to that effect. The real demand destruction for gasoline is from a number of factors:
      * Reduced driving (shorter trips, carpooling, etc.)
      * Multi-car families better optimizing use of their most efficient vehicle
      * New sales of more efficient vehicles (instead of trucks and SUVs)

      The last point is a minor impact since new cars are only a small percentage of the vehicles on the road, but the big question is whether consumers are spooked enough to stay away from inefficient vehicles for several years even if prices come back down, or if consumers will demonstrate typical short-sightedness and immediately forget history and only look at current prices.

      The only impact this is likely to have on EVs is to push manufacturers to accelerate their EV production plans.

      • * Reduced driving (shorter trips, carpooling, etc.)

        In particular WFH reducing commute-type driving might have an impact?

        • by crow ( 16139 )

          Maybe, but I'm under the impression that employers are cutting back on working from home. I don't think too many employees that were working in the office are moving back to working from home.

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      Yes, that's why there was divestment from refining hydrocarbons. Like most other things that Green thought about reality, it turned out to be wrong. Demand is way up, supply is constrained and refining margins are higher than they were in a very long time.

      And it takes about three years to get a new refinery going. We're starting to see investments in them again now, but prices aren't going to go down for at least a couple of years, unless there's a supply of mothballed refineries still somewhere that can be

      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @09:43PM (#62641024)

        Pretty much all of the fundamental requirements for making EVs that you don't need to for ICE vehicles? Russia is a major supplier. Ooops.

        Russia produces 6% of the world's cobalt, but DRC produces ten times that much. 99% of the super-magnet rare earths are from China. The biggest producers of copper are in South America. Lithium is produced all over the world. Russia is a major nickel producer, but Indonesia produces five times as much.

  • Profit Margin (Score:4, Interesting)

    by crow ( 16139 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @07:58PM (#62640872) Homepage Journal

    The profit margin on DRAM manufacturing is fairly high. Google tells me that last December, it as at 46%, as opposed to 30% a year earlier. While not great for the stock prices at Micron and competitors, there's a lot of room for prices to fall if production continues to exceed demand.

  • by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @07:59PM (#62640874)

    Russo-Ukrainian war basically halted production of neon needed for lithography lasers by the two huge refineries. Mariupol one is in ruins, and Odessa one cannot export because of the naval blockade in addition to the fact that much of its feed in materials were imported from Russian steel foundries.

    When is the neon shortage going to reduce manufacturing? Because right now, it seems to be trucking on just fine, and I don't see the upcoming shortages priced in yet. Not in more advanced lithography needed for complex logic chips and apparently not in memory ones either. At least for now.

    So how is the supply/reserves of neon holding up and has there been any potential attempts at replacing it with something else?

    • Unless the lasrs consistently leak neon, it would only be needed for new lasers?
      • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        Argon-fluorine-neon mix used in those lasers must be purged every couple of weeks and replaced because of contamination due to extreme operating conditions.

        Here's a decent explanation of the basics: https://www.advancedsciencenew... [advancedsciencenews.com]

    • The world wide existing chip factories already have lithography lasers.

      The neon is only needed for new lasers which are put into new lithography machines that are either used/needed in new factories - aka not yet existing factories - or in upgrading factories.

      So: how exactly is a little bit of lack of neon impacting chip prices?

      • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        Ok, adding this one to the list of "Germany controls wind" and "No winters below -20C in Nothern Europe because of global warming" stupidity.

        "Argon-fluorine-neon lasers only need neon at manufacturing and don't need it after".

        In real life on the other hand, those lasers need a gas mix purge and replacement about every two weeks, because it gets contaminated.

  • I'd guess that all those $170-$200 Raspberry Pi's are finding their way into rockets and missiles. Saddly, the Teensy 4.1's are gone, too. Still you have buy videos cards, memory, flash-everything except for system-on-chips.
  • New Inflation == Prices drop.... Monty Python here we come....
  • Was demand from either nation really so high that they could have a significant impact on the global market? I find it hard to believe that Russia's dying economy or Ukraine's developing economy supported that much demand. I also find it hard to believe that the war would impact consumer demand for RAM in the rest of Europe, Asia, the Americas, etc., where it is far higher than in either Russia or Ukraine. Besides, there are weapons systems that need RAM, and Ukraine can still buy them.
    • Ukraine was the biggest Neon "producer" in the world, more than the rest of the world combined.
      Funny is, it is basically a waste product from producing liquid nitrogen, used for making fertilizers.

      No idea why westerners always misinterpret the term "developing economy".

      E.g. would you consider Thailand a developing country? Or Vietnam? Guess if one makes a new company on one of those countries: what machines is he buying? Obviously - counterintuitive for you folks - the best of the best money can buy. E.g. I

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