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AMD Ryzen 7000 Smokes Alder Lake In Computex Keynote Zen 4 Tease (hothardware.com) 59

Posted by BeauHD from the new-and-improved dept.
"AMD's Computex 2022 keynote marks the first appearance of company's new Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 desktop chip in the flesh," writes Slashdot reader MojoKid. "And in its first quick benchmark tease, it's looking pretty buff." Here's an excerpt from a report via HotHardware: AMD Ryzen 7000-series processors that will be the first to ship with Zen 4 cores will include one or two 5nm Zen 4 CCDs -- topping out at 16 cores, just like Zen 3 -- as well as a new cIOD fabricated on 6nm chip process technology. The new cIOD will include PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 support, as well as an RDNA 2-based GPU for basic display support. [...] Initial performance claims regarding solid state storage weren't the only ones made during AMD's Computex keynote, however. As the keynote was wrapping up, Dr. Su showed two demos powered by a Ryzen 7000 series processor.

AMD Ryzen 7000-series processors that will be the first to ship with Zen 4 cores will include one or two 5nm Zen 4 CCDs -- topping out at 16 cores, just like Zen 3 -- as well as a new cIOD fabricated on 6nm chip process technology. The new cIOD will include PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 support, as well as an RDNA 2-based GPU for basic display support. In the second demo, a custom Ryzen 7000 3D image was being rendered in Blender, with an Intel Core i9-12900K 16-core / 24-thread processor running alongside an AMD Ryzen 7000 series 16-core / 32-thread processor. In the time-lapsed demo, the Ryzen 7000-based system finished the render 31% faster than the Intel system.

While AMD wasn't willing to commit to any specific date, the company did confirm that Zen 4 will be here this year, and well before the holiday shopping season. Dr. Su set a timeframe of "Fall" for availability of the new Ryzen 7000 CPUs, as well as the motherboards that will help enable the entire platform. Slashdot reader UnknowingFool also shared the news (via AnandTech).

You can watch the entire AMD Computex 2022 Keynote presentation here.
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  • Looks like they have given up on competing with Mac. Otherwise, they would be using a sentence like this which is true only for the x86 processors.

    • nm measurement is a moronic scale that has no real meaning except for marketing, I welcome its demise (though I doubt the idiotic dick measuring term will disappear).

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Z80a ( 971949 )

        They're not even real anymore.
        It's a measure of "what density we would have to go to if we did the things in the traditional ways instead of doing some wacky multi component nanotowers"

  • The summary forgot to mention (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Monday May 23, 2022 @06:41PM (#62559980) Homepage

    The summary forgot to mention:

    AMD Ryzen 7000-series processors that will be the first to ship with Zen 4 cores will include one or two 5nm Zen 4 CCDs -- topping out at 16 cores, just like Zen 3 -- as well as a new cIOD fabricated on 6nm chip process technology. The new cIOD will include PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 support, as well as an RDNA 2-based GPU for basic display support.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Duplicates in the summary saves the trouble of running duplicate stories.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Oh, you are the optimistic type! Why do you think there's not gonna be a dupe story in addition? :D

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Seems like AMD forget to mention Thunderbolt and USB 4 too. They have been promising it for years, and Thunderbolt in particular is really valuable for laptops. Still no sign of it for AMD CPUs.

  • What kind of demo is this? The Intel Core i9-12900K has only 8 full speed cores offering 16 performance threads, and 8 "efficient" single-threaded cores. I know these comparisons are always BS, but at least they could have compared their new 16/32 CPU to something similar from the competition? Then again, there's no mention of power, that Intel CPU is quite a beast in power usage, if the Zen can be 31% faster at the same or lower power, then that's a huge win - but I'd expect them to be pointing it out if t

    • It's basically the fastest desktop CPU Intel has to offer currently versus AMD's next gen Ryzen 7000. The Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU is a 8+6 configuration with 14 cores, 8 Performance cores (P-Cores) that support Hyperthreading and 6 Efficiency cores (E-Cores) that are single threaded, for 24 threads of throughput. In short, AMD is comparing the performance versus Intel's current fastest desktop CPU. Well almost the fastest except for the 12900KS, which just a few clock ticks up and a specialty chip of

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Ecuador ( 740021 )

        It is actually 16 cores as I said, 8+8, but you are right, there is no 12th gen with more than 8 performance cores, I forgot about that. Still, the comparison has to be in terms of power (and perhaps price), otherwise it is still rather meaningless...

        • It is not meaningless. It only suits one possible usage (brute-force computing in a massively produced consumer product). Other people might be interested in TDP. The best benchmark is the one that tests your workload. I agree that for this type of chip performance/TDP is more desirable, but I wouldn't call raw performance meaningless.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by edwdig ( 47888 )

            These are the top of the line desktop chips. You're not buying them for TDP, you're buying for raw performance.

            • I'd argue that people wanting the best parallel raw computing performance money can buy are looking at a Threadripper more than a Ryzen.

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by Chas ( 5144 )

                No. Not really.

                Threadripper is an 8lb sledge

                Top-end Ryzen are a roofing hammer.

                They're used in similar ways, but their actual use profiles differ significantly.

                Threadripper is meant to be tossed at massively parallel loads that're specifically designed for it.

                Ryzen is designed for maximum "grunt" within a certain powerr profile.

            • As a high end desktop part, you are buying for raw performance and TDP. Because you want your fans to be quiet in all except the most extreme loads.

        • Woops, yes, my mistake 12900KS is and 8+8 config.

    • We don't compare anything else on the number of a component. Like cars aren't measured in the number of bolts used. The number of cores should be essentially irrelevant as far as which product 'wins'. It's nice to know the specifics to try to predict performance for sure. certain loads like cores so more cores likely means more performance.... but it's just an indicator.

      We have other more obvious measures. ie, how fast can it do a specific load that you need. How much power does it draw doing that loa

      • We don't compare anything else on the number of a component. Like cars aren't measured in the number of bolts used.

        We compare cars on their load-carrying capacity though.

        (and that's probably proportional to the number of bolts and/or spot-welds).

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by msauve ( 701917 )
        >Like cars aren't measured in the number of bolts used. Is that a 4, 6, or 8 cylinder car you're talking about?

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        Core are probably more closely aligned to the number of cylinders in a car engine... You could have more cylinders, you could have larger cylinders, you could have forced induction to get more performance from lesser/smaller cylinders. All of these design choices result in different performance characteristics which may or may not be desirable depending on your needs.

    • AMD has a long history of having more physical cores than Intel at the same or lower price. Until very recently AMD absolutely spanked until in multicore performance. Even before Ryzen. It's just that it wasn't really until very recently that games and applications make decent use of multi-core CPUs. AMD bet early on multi-core and lost.. if you look at 8300 versus the equivalent i7s from that time the 8300 hold up better when trying to play modern games on them but now the CPU is really fast enough so it's

      • but now the CPU is really fast enough so it's kind of a moot to point.

        Ooooh, look at the insular little gamer.

        The CPU is never fast enough when you're running render farms, fluid dynamics simulations, etc.

        • Render farms thrive mainly on multicore performance, so does CFD, therefore you are full of shit. Please get a clue.

    • Re:What kind of demo is this? (Score:4, Informative)

      by K. S. Kyosuke ( 729550 ) on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:37AM (#62560714)

      What kind of demo is this? The Intel Core i9-12900K has only 8 full speed cores offering 16 performance threads, and 8 "efficient" single-threaded cores. I know these comparisons are always BS, but at least they could have compared their new 16/32 CPU to something similar from the competition?

      Why? Intel people have been comparing the 12900K against 5950X, which is also 16C/32T, so clearly this is a perfectly legitimate comparison in their own opinion.

    • What kind of demo is this?

      One that will be very interesting to people who do 3D rendering, video compression, physics simulations, virtual machine hosting, etc.

      Just because it's not relevant to you doesn't mean nobody else will want this.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Chas ( 5144 )

        Depends on the budget and the type of load and how well it plays with massive parallelization.

        Clock speed isn't everything. And if a load benefits from parallelization, things like Threadripper or Epyc are a better fit than Ryzen.

        Other loads, depending on where they sit on the clocks-vs-cores spectrum may benefit more from Ryzen.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Chas ( 5144 )

      Ryzen 7000 is spec'ed to use up to 170 watts.
      12900K is spec'ed for 125 watts. But, in practice, can pull of to 241 watts.

      • No you are confusing TDP with their power usage. Also the TDP calculations are not comparable between Intel and AMD so those numbers cannot be used for that.
  • Where are the 6000 series laptops? They were announced back in January.

    Specifically, I want a 15"-16" 6800U based one.

    Get your shit together, AMD!

  • 16 cores? (Score:4, Funny)

    by splutty ( 43475 ) on Monday May 23, 2022 @07:55PM (#62560132)

    "Topping out at 16 cores, just like Zen3"

    What kind of utter nonsense is this? Threadripper and Epyc are both Zen3 architectures, and have 32 and 64 core models.

    • Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 series has a max of 16 cores as it was the max in Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 series. AMD has not released any details on Zen 4 Threadripper or Epyc.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by sconeu ( 64226 )

        What part of "Threadripper and Epyc are both Zen3 architectures, and have 32 and 64 core models", -- i.e. some Zen3 architectures have more than 16 cores -- are you having a problem understanding?

        • What part of Zen 4 versions of Threadripper and Epyc details have not been released is hard for you to understand? You are aware that Threadripper had versions for every version of Zen right? Epyc missed a version for Zen + but had one for every other version. The announcement by AMD was about Ryzen 7000 series chips, not Threadripper. Not Epyc. Is that any clearer for you?

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by sconeu ( 64226 )

            TFS was COMPARING Zen4 to Zen3.

            OP was noting that the comparison had incorrect data. Neither TFS nor OP were talking about Zen4 versions of Threadripper or Epyc.

            • TFS was COMPARING Zen4 to Zen3.

              No the TFS was CONCERNING RYZEN. You seem to be ignoring that part. Every single article was about Ryzen 7000. It was not about Zen 4 in general.

              OP was noting that the comparison had incorrect data. Neither TFS nor OP were talking about Zen4 versions of Threadripper or Epyc.

              No you and the OP seem to forget the topic of the AMD's announcement was ABOUT RYZEN.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I have a feeling there won't be a Zen 4 Threadripper available to buy. AMD seems to have signalled that it will only be available to OEMs for their pre-built workstations.

  • This is like putting Usain Bolt in the Special Olympics. Of course he is going to win. How about setting it up against the Apple M1 Max?

    • How about setting it up against the Apple M1 Max?

      You could with some sort of synthetic benchmark that may or may not prove anything.
      That's the problem with completely different architectures running completely different software.

    • unless you are going to create some highly specialised benchmark that benefits the M1 Max even Intels special Olympics contender beats it on everything except power efficiency which is where the M1 shines..

      • The M1 Max consumes 3x less power than Alder Lake for the same task, therefore it is a better CPU architecture because they could have just added a few more cores and beat it by miles. Think about it you can have two M1 Maxes in the laptop and it will be faster and last longer.

        • Its a better architecture only if you care about power consumption. Most people buying the high end chips power consumption is a secondary concern that ranks way below performance which the M1 Max loses out on significantly.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by raynet ( 51803 )

          Though adding cores isn't that easy, plus most work loads don't scale linearly.

        • The M1 Max consumes 3x less power than Alder Lake for the same task, therefore it is a better CPU architecture because they could have just added a few more cores and beat it by miles.

          If it worked that way, then sure. But it doesn't. Glue logic is nontrivial. "Just" adding "a few more cores" isn't as easy as you imagine it to be.

  • The headline triggered me! (Score:3)

    by the_skywise ( 189793 ) on Monday May 23, 2022 @09:29PM (#62560302)

    I "smoked" a few Athlons in my early builds! :)

  • Wow. A family of processors to be released in Q4 2022 beat the performance of ones released in Q4 2021.

    Would one expect anything less?

  • What is this new cIOD they're talking about? Is AMD now making insensitive cIODs?

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