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Facing High Demand, Texas Asks 26 Million to Use Less Electricity This Weekend (cnn.com) 240

Friday a heat wave hit Texas — prompting the non-profit that manages power for Texas's 26 million customers to...ask them to use less of it.

"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) made the appeal in a statement Friday, saying that soaring temperatures increased demand and caused six power generation facilities to trip offline," reports CNN. "That resulted in the loss of about 2,900 megawatts of electricity."

The statement asks Texans "to conserve power when they can by setting their thermostats to 78-degrees or above and avoiding the usage of large appliances (such as dishwashers, washers and dryers) during peak hours between 3 p.m. and 8 p.m. through the weekend." CNN reports: The appeal comes as record temperatures across most of the southern U.S. this weekend are expected to worsen a deepening drought. From Phoenix to Amarillo, Texas, record temperatures are expected to reach triple digits, with a chance for some parts of Texas to break daily records over the next seven days.

ERCOT came under scrutiny last year after record cold temperatures in February caused the state's highest electricity demand and more than 200 people died during the power crisis, with the most common cause of death being hypothermia. In March 2021, ERCOT's president and CEO, Bill Magness, was fired following widespread power outages during a series of winter storms that left many residents in the dark for days. Now the heat is testing Texas' power grid....

Temperatures from the mid-90s to the low 100s are expected on Sunday, with much of central and western Texas reaching 100 to 105 degrees — approximately 10 to 15 degrees above average.

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Facing High Demand, Texas Asks 26 Million to Use Less Electricity This Weekend

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  • by The Evil Atheist ( 2484676 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @10:42AM (#62535626)
    You're not allowed to abort your electricity use in Texas.
  • unprepared (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @10:42AM (#62535630) Journal

    that's the normal texas weather for the summer. once again ercot is unprepared. texas needs to be connected to the national grid to solve this problem

    • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @10:51AM (#62535656)
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      • by splutty ( 43475 )

        It's not even cheaper :P

      • Re:unprepared (Score:4, Interesting)

        by stabiesoft ( 733417 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @12:19PM (#62536004) Homepage
        Just so you know, TX is connected. You can see the power flows real time at their website. I routinely see about 1GW flowing between the 4 tie points.
        • Just so you know, TX is connected. You can see the power flows real time at their website. I routinely see about 1GW flowing between the 4 tie points.

          That is not factually true. There are parts of Texas that are connected to the national grid; however, those parts are not connected to the Texas grid. Texas on the whole is not connected.

      • Wait, you directly imply that such as California has regulated, modern, robust, flexible, more reliable, ecologically less irresponsible power. No on all counts.
    • ERCOT Renamed EUCOT
      "Electrical Unreliability Council Of Texas"

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      What part of

              "Temperatures from the mid-90s to the low 100s are expected on Sunday, with much of central and western Texas reaching 100 to 105 degrees — approximately 10 to 15 degrees above average."

      did you fail to understand?

  • The governor sued the feds over having to connect to the national grid. Good luck on your bootstrap power.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @10:51AM (#62535660)
    50 of them blocked any serious attempt at infrastructure expansion. How the hell do you go through school and not know what the Tennessee Valley Authority was? If you're not rich or serving the wealthy then have electricity because the Federal Government, backed by voters, decided you should have it.

    Do you really think the elites would pay the taxes for you to have power if they weren't forced too? How much richer would Mr M and Mr B be if all the money spent on your appliances went into their pockets? You think that though hasn't crossed their minds? You think they haven't discussed it with at least some of these governors?

    Apple Computer and Tesla showed that the real money is in selling luxury goods to a handful of consumers. Right now there's a baby formula shortage because there's 3 companies that made all of it, and it wasn't profitable enough for them to bother upgrading their equipment to maintain production.

    Seriously, please stop fucking that chicken. It's 2022, we know better [twitter.com]
    • by dfghjk ( 711126 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @11:01AM (#62535716)

      Correct. It's not a Texas thing, it's a Republican thing. Texas can solve this by getting rid of Republican rule. Texas has the worst access to voting in the nation.

      Also, this is not like the February cold wave. That weather was unprecedented, this hot weather is common for Texas.

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      When your only two options are two horrible parties, you probably should rely more on what you can do instead of waiting the government to do anything for you.
      The "easiest" path in this specific problem is just get yourself a solar panel setup.

      • Try doing something yourself but ONE party is in bed with big biz and turns all that regulatory power that is supposed to keep big biz from screwing everybody after YOU!

        My wind/solar have way too many BS obstacles put in my way. The system is bipolar because of flip flopping between two parties and ONE is at best the "bad cop" but usually is just a bad guy... one who rails against crime to distract from their behavior.

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      • by q_e_t ( 5104099 )

        Texas' grid is physically large enough to justify keeping it isolated

        Germany's grid is big too, and it has a bigger population than Texas. It's interconnected, though.

      • attaching Texas to the other two grids should require Texas to bring their systems up to Federal standard first, by which time there will be little if anything to gain by spending the money to provide the physical connections needed.

        I don't think that's accurate. If you get the connections up then you can sell power if you have an excess, and there's other states that need power, and Texas' debt is substantial... almost as big as California's surplus :D

      • The reason Texas keeps their grids separate is because the private corporation that runs it doesn't want to pay for the weathering and upkeep that is required if they connected to the other grids. It's kind of like how NATO works where everybody has to prove that they can provide aid when it's needed because if you don't people cut corners. In order for Texas to join the rest of America they have to prove that they're not just going to be takers but that their grid will be reliable enough to be of use to t
    • The GOP has no leaders. Donald Trump is currently the de-facto leader of the party despite being a loser because everyone is too afraid to challenge him. Mitt Romney and Dick Cheney's daughter are the moral anchors. Yeah.

      The GOP has no platform. Aside from "tax cuts for rich people" and "bomb brown people", the GOP has had zero legislative successes in 20 years. They couldn't even kill Obamacare despite having the votes. When was the last time the GOP talked about actually governing?

      The GOP has no prin

  • by Deal In One ( 6459326 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @11:00AM (#62535710)

    How about asking Crypto miners to stop for a while? After all Texas is now going all in, into crypto now, right?

    I assume the other industries there, like the Tesla factory, etc, will have more value for the state then the crypto miners now.

    • Lol, Tesla can use batteries to keep the plant running during the blackouts.

    • Many of Texas's crypto data centers are using their own natural-gas generators in rural locations, by generating electric power from natural gas that otherwise in the past had been burned off as waste via a big outdoor flame. Hence, non sequitur for those cryptocurrency miners.
      • by doubledown00 ( 2767069 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @01:24PM (#62536252)

        No, not "many". A handful.
        Most look like the Compute North datacenter in Granbury or the monstrosity in Rockdale, both of which are connected to the grid and are way too big to be powered off flared gas.

        And, if these companies are setting up near fracking wells (most are as they produce the higher amounts of flared methane) then they're in for a nasty surprise as the production horizon of fracking wells drops off precipitously after 6 - 8 months. By the end of the 1st year the well must either be re-perforated or shut down due to poor production.

    • That decision will be made based on who gives Greg Abbott and his party the most money and attention.
    • The big surprise for me is when the news asks people to limit use of large appliances, they never mention delay charging until overnight. Seems to be much like crypto mining. Easy way to cut large amounts of juice off the grid if needed. I actually don't know, do the 10+ KW home chargers automatically power down on command from grid operators? Maybe they already do this.
    • by eth1 ( 94901 )

      How about asking Crypto miners to stop for a while? After all Texas is now going all in, into crypto now, right?

      I assume the other industries there, like the Tesla factory, etc, will have more value for the state then the crypto miners now.

      Better yet, pass legislation that commercial-scale crypto mining can only use excess grid power from solar, wind, and nuclear.

      That might help solve one of the problems of nuclear (slow ramp time), since they can quickly ramp mining demand to consume excess power from the nukes without having to turn them off/down.

      For solar and wind, it would encourage/fund building excess capacity that can again quickly be freed up by stopping mining.

  • soaring temperatures increased demand and caused six power generation facilities to trip offline

    Gee, whoever would have thought that you would have to design power plants to be able to sustain high temperatures in Texas?

    What a bag of absolute chucklefucks.

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    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      "Gee, whoever would have thought that you would have to design power plants to be able to sustain high temperatures in Texas?"

      Temps in Texas are not unusual and literally everyone in Texas has understood this longer than any of us has been alive. Your high school snark is misplaced.

      "What a bag of absolute chucklefucks."

      No, it is corporate greed combined with Republican politics. They aren't stupid, they're goals are simply not aligned with reasonably thinking people.

      • "Gee, whoever would have thought that you would have to design power plants to be able to sustain high temperatures in Texas?"

        Temps in Texas are not unusual

        Yeah, that was the basis of my comment. Good catch, tiger!

        and literally everyone in Texas has understood this longer than any of us has been alive.

        It's literally impossible to understand it for longer than you've been alive, sport.

        They aren't stupid, they're goals are simply not aligned with reasonably thinking people.

        Can't sell power when you're not generating power. I thought they were in the business of selling power?

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      design power plants to be able to sustain high temperatures

      They could air condition them.

  • by woodsonja ( 1322981 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @11:13AM (#62535762)
    Based on Texas's past rhetoric, I'd say they'll probably try to blame the Solar and Wind industries for the outages instead of the poor management of their grid.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 )

      I must admit that it's rather entertaining to watch this positive feedback loop of "electrical system failure/blame renewables/elect even shittier conservatives who neglect and sabotage the system even harder/repeat" that Texas is willfully holding itself in, there was once a comedy article that joked that Sarah Palin would "uninvent electricity" but Texas conservatives might actually pull it off with their state grid at this rate! XD

      Conservatives are pretty good at both tolerating and deflecting blame for

    • Based on Texas's past rhetoric, I'd say they'll probably try to blame the Solar and Wind industries for the outages instead of the poor management of their grid.

      Of course they are. What’s causing the heat? The sun. What drives solar? The sun. What moves hot air around? The wind. Who supports them? DEMOCRATS. It’s Biden’s fault.

    • by dstwins ( 167742 )
      No, they will blame Solar and Wind for making it "too hot".. basically no matter what, its solar and wind's fault..
      I'm halfway surprised they didn't blame solar and wind for making them stub their big toe.
  • Because you get what you pay for. In this case the grid supply can't handle the max demand

    • Their grid is a classic example of cronyism. The utilities commission are all friends with politicians and the body has no real power. They can only recommend changes or upgrades, not mandate them. Like with the once in a century ice storms that happened in 2021, 2011, 1988, etc etc.

  • Average it in with the 2021 winter storm, and everything works out to be average.

  • by crow ( 16139 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @12:45PM (#62536108) Homepage Journal

    https://electrek.co/2022/05/14... [electrek.co]

    Tesla advised drivers to avoid charging at times of peak demand to reduce the strain on the grid. Most EV drivers charge at night anway, though, so EVs shouldn't be a significant factor in the current shortage.

  • Right wing myths (Score:5, Insightful)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @12:54PM (#62536154)

    They try to act like life is hell in democrat states, but it isn't,. For example, if you look at the top 10 highest violent crime states, 7 of them are Republican run. The right wing pushes the narrative that DeSantis (who is hoping Trump chooses him for VP in 2024) made Florida safe, but Florida has a higher murder rate than California even though it is full of old people.

    They claim California is broke, but we had the highest budget surplus by far of any state. California is richer and safer than Florida or Texas, yet Repblicans want us to think California is a hellhole, while Florida is a paradise. Fuck you fools.

  • Or just cut off the republican stupidity?
  • Of course, it's individuals and not industry that is being asked to cut back on power usage. Empty office buildings will be maintained at a nice cool 71ÂF.

  • by cats-paw ( 34890 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @03:33PM (#62536664) Homepage

    yeah , these might be record temperatures for May, but come June they will turn to slightly above normal and in July they will be normal.

    Whatever is going on, they better fix it soon, or they are going to be completely and totally screwed this summer.

    I mean, if they don't have enough power now, how exactly are they going to have enough power in August ??

    So let's watch in Nov 2022 and see how many of the asshats currently responsible for this mess get re-elected...

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