Intel's 12th Gen Alder Lake Chips for Thinner and Lighter Laptops Have Arrived (theverge.com) 28
Intel launched the first wave of its 12th Gen Alder Lake chips at CES 2022 -- but only for its H-series lineup of chips, destined for the most powerful and power-hungry laptops. And now, it's rolling out the rest of its Alder Lake laptop lineup: the P-series and U-series models it briefly showed off in January, which are set to power the thinner, lighter, and cheaper laptops of 2022. From a report: In total, there are a whopping 20 chips fit for a wide range of hardware across the P-series, U-series (15W), and U-series (9W) categories, with the first laptops powered by the new processors set to arrive in March. Like their more powerful H-series cousins (and the Alder Lake desktop chips that Intel launched in late 2021 and at CES 2022), the new P-series and U-series chips have a lot more cores than 2020's 11th Gen models, with a hybrid architecture approach that combines performance and efficiency cores to maximize both power and battery life. And Intel is promising some big improvements focused around those boosted core counts, touting up to 70 percent better multi-thread performance than previous 11th Gen (and AMD) hardware. The company also says that it wins out in benchmarks against chips like Apple's M1 and M1 Pro (although not the M1 Max), and AMD's Ryzen R7 5800U in tasks like web browsing and photo editing.
"tasks like web browsing" (Score:1)
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Rest assured, the modern web and web developers will find a way to hog the newly available resources. That bloat aint gonna remove itself.
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The world where websites are choked with bloated javascript, either because of the plague of inefficient "framework"-y code, or because they are running a shitload of code to track users.
The old websites from the old days of the internet work fine.
Thinner ... (Score:2)
...Why?
No laptop is bulky now - who cares - certainly not the people who will use a laptop for anything that needs the most powerful chips
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Exactly. I would love to buy a THICKER laptop, not a thinner one.
I was browsing for an upgrade and half of them seem like flimsy minimalist plastic toys designed to break at the slightest wrong look. But, turns out that thin laptops is the current trend and what customers want.
I would love to look at their market research.
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I've got a Dell XPS 13 that has taken quite a beating and kept on running.
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I've got an ASUS ZenBook Pro Duo that's pretty effin thick- and has adequate cooling for the i9 in it.
Can get it with a 4K OLED screen and 32GB of RAM too.
Of course the dual screens and offset track pad may not be for everyone.
But I use it with a mouse, so that doesn't really bother me.
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Only 32? My decade + old thicc boi maxes out at 32, though I input have 16 installed. Sufficiently large dimms didn't exist when it was new.
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Non-upgradeable is my understanding, too. Soldered on or something. Which is disappointing, because I'd happily pay lots of money to upgrade to 64.
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Yeah that's bullshit for a thick & heavy laptop.
SODIMMs aren't that thick. Maybe too much for the really thin laptops, but for anything else there's plenty of room.
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But that aside, and even though it's only got 32GB, it's a great mobile workhorse. The RTX 2060 in it is capable of around double the OpenCL throughput as my new MacBook Pro (though my M1 Max slaps around that poor i9 like it's a toy)
My current semi-mobile work environment involves both of them a
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... and what customers want.
FTFY...
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I already have too many laptops (Score:3)
Maitre D: And finally, monsieur, a wafer-thin mint.
Mr Creosote: No.
Maitre D: Oh sir! It's only a tiny little thin one.
Mr Creosote: No. Fuck off - I'm full...
Maitre D: Oh sir... it's only wafer thin.
Mr Creosote: Look - I couldn't eat another thing. I'm absolutely stuffed. Bugger off.
Maitre D: Oh sir, just... just one...
Mr Creosote: Oh all right. Just one.
Maitre D: Just the one, sir... voila... bon appetit...
Are we going to see fanless laptops? (Score:3)
The article doesn't mention passively cooled solutions, but with 9W TDP they should certainly be possible. Even if you don't care about the noise, imagine how much more eco-friendly would be not to waste power for unwanted heat, and then even more power to dissipate that heat.
And no, I have never owned an Apple product, but for the first time I want to have something like the M1, and I would, if only I knew it would be possible to run Linux on it.
Re: Are we going to see fanless laptops? (Score:2)
I could of sworn I have seen articles about hacking arm based Linux and windows onto the new M1s but I think it still needs more time to really be back good build this way.
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Linux native is currently a dumpster fire. But they're working on it. The boot process is a fucking nightmare, so the easiest way to do it right now is tethered to another computer to upload the kernel and initramfs during boot.
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https://asahilinux.org/blog/
Mostly updates on progress with supporting different aspects of the hardware in Linux, and how far they've gotten into mainstream kernels. Pretty detailed. Some of the core devs are already running Linux full-time on an M1 Mac. By no means does that mean it's ready for primetime, but it definitely means it's getting serious attention.
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Linux definitely, no idea about Windows ... that is not interesting for me.
Re:Are we going to see fanless laptops? (Score:4, Interesting)
The OS definitely leaves a lot to be desired, coming from Linux (for about 15 years), but you get used to it.
That being said, I'm an active tester of work for a native port [asahilinux.org], and wait with bated breath to get an OS on this thing that isn't worse than fucking Windows.
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I haven't owned an Apple product since my Power Mac G5, but work bought me an M1 Max Macbook Pro. I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the performance, I really didn't expect it to be as fast as it is. I've been Linux only since 2007 (other than a Windows VM for some applications), so MacOS takes a little getting used to (and is frustrating at times), but homebrew really helps. The one thing that is really nice is that suspend/resume works instantly and reliably, which is something that has always been
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its the year of the linux desktop, dont you know
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On top of homebrew making it more than a toy, there's also MacPorts.
The driver situation stands to get worse, as they've clearly signaled that they don't want plebs installing Kexts into their kernel.
I also have a huge fucking beef with Apple being required to sign off on certain process privileges (like certain HVF functionality) on a per-app basis. They still allow you to get around it by running as root, but I hav
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Thinner is big business (Score:2)
The thinner they are, the more they get dropped.
What's not to like?