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Texas Plans To Become the Bitcoin Capital, Vulnerable Power Grid and All (bloomberg.com) 119

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Texas, already home to the most vulnerable power grid in the U.S., is about to be hit by a surge in demand for electricity that's twice the size of Austin's. An army of cryptocurrency miners heading to the state for its cheap power and laissez-faire regulation is forecast to send demand soaring by as much as 5,000 megawatts over the next two years. The crypto migration to Texas has been building for months, but the sheer volume of power those miners will need -- two times more than the capital city of almost 1 million people consumed in all of 2020 -- is only now becoming clear.

The boom comes as the electrical system is already under strain from an expanding population and robust economy. Even before the new demand comes online, the state's grid has proven to be lethally unreliable. Catastrophic blackouts in February plunged millions into darkness for days, and, ultimately, led to at least 210 deaths. Proponents like Senator Ted Cruz and Governor Greg Abbott, both Republicans, say crypto miners are ultimately good for the grid, since they say the miners can soak up excess clean power and, when needed, can voluntarily throttle back in seconds to help avert blackouts. But it raises the question of what these miners will do when the state's electricity demand inevitably outstrips supply: Will they adhere to an honor system of curtailing their power use, especially when the Bitcoin price is itself so high, or will it mean even more pressure on an overwhelmed grid?

Miners setting up shop in the Lone Star State can often count on a 10-year tax abatement, sales tax credits and workforce training from the state, depending on where they are located and how many jobs they add. Even without formal incentives, the cheap power prices and the state's hands-off policy toward business is often enough of a lure. The pitch is working: The grid operator Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or Ercot, will account for about 20% of the Bitcoin network globally by the end of 2022, up from 8% to 10% today, according to Lee Bratcher, president of the Texas Blockchain council. Right now, Ercot has somewhere between 500 and 1,000 megawatts of mining capacity, out of about 2,000 nationwide. The state grid will add another 3,000 to 5,000 megawatts of mining demand by the end of 2023, he said.

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Texas Plans To Become the Bitcoin Capital, Vulnerable Power Grid and All

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  • The demand for durable energy in a market is what creates the supply. So if the bitcoin people want durable energy, theyâ(TM)d want a market not invested in variable supply, but nuclear energy and natural gas. As a result, Texas gets a better grid, because you can put a residential zone without power (which is what California has gotten used to) but putting business without power gets the attention of the politicians.

    • by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:01AM (#62004963) Homepage Journal

      This is correct. They also have an independent power grid so they can build what they want, not beholden to other States or the DC Regime, unlike most other locations.

      What engineers understand, but the political types never will, is that a failure like they had recently was a stress test that shows how to fix their grid. They can plan and build with this new data.

      By contrast, New England is due to run out of capacity in the next year or two and insane NIMBY regulators are stopping all attempts to prevent it. An Interstate ISO really fucks things up when regulations are intrastate. It's a Tragedy of the Commons imposed on an unaware population by dimwitted politicos.

      • Re:Makes sense . (Score:5, Insightful)

        by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:12AM (#62004987)

        Texas hasn't learned a goddamn thing.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]

        Blackouts in 1989. Recommendation: Winterize plants
        Nah it happens once a century, we're good.
        Blackouts in 2011. Recommendation: Winterize plants
        Nah once a century event, never happens again
        Blackouts in 2021: Recommendation: Winterize plants
        FUCK YOU WE'RE TEXAS YOU CAN'T TELL US WHAT TO DO. THIS WAS CAUSED BY WINDMILLS AND DEMOCRATS!

        "These recommendations were not mandatory, and over the course of time implementation lapsed," said the August 2011 report by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and the North American Electric Reliability Corporation, titled "Report on Outages and Curtailments During the Southwest Cold Weather Event of February 1-5, 2011."

        That's what happens when you put your crony buddies in charge of "enforcing" regulations of utilities. Just remember, Texas sued the federal government for the right to fuck up their grid.

        • Re:Makes sense . (Score:5, Informative)

          by laughingskeptic ( 1004414 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:56AM (#62005103)
          You missed some, a still incomplete list:
          2021
          2014
          2011 - National news ... because Super Bowl
          2000 - Dec 25th
          1994 - Feb 9th
          1989
          1978 - Dec 31
          1948
          1937

          ERCOT is a State of Texas organized RICO organization. Power companies are not penalized when they fail to provide power they signed up to provide just hours earlier and they can game the system to charge a ridiculous $6000/KWhr. The very fact that "R" stands for Reliability is a joke. It should be "P" for profitability.
          • And they always happen in winter. Ironic in a way in a southern state. I've prepared for this year with a portable gen to run the gas furnace. But I wonder will I keep the gen maintained over the years or will I get lazy and freeze in 2025? I've had 2 extended power outages (2001, 2021) and this last one for 5 days I hope taught me to be prepared. Time will tell though. I will be screwed if the nat gas suppliers shut off residential in favor of power companies.
          • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

            What made national news during the Super Bowl was the fact that the state was snowed under. That's what a lot of people were expecting with the last winter storm because they've never experienced blackouts from winter weather.

            Storms during hail and hurricane season tend to cause much more predictable carnage.

          • Part of that was natural gas prices spiking, because they shut down before the freeze apparently, and then froze. Idk, it was in the news, that was a big part of the ridiculous costs the power companies had to deal with.

            Here you go https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... [arstechnica.com]

          • The people charged excessive rates for electricity in Texas this year were charged actual rates on the SPOT market. Prior to the 'big freeze' these people ran around bragging about how cheap their electric bills were, then the market inverted and they got screwed.

            They CHOSE to take RISKS they didn't understand.

            For example, they signed up with services like http://griddy.com/ [griddy.com]

            See: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/ne... [cbsnews.com]

            When a deep freeze shut down half the power generation capacity in Texas this week, the wholesale price of electricity exploded 10,000 per cent, with the financial consequences now being felt all the way from individual households to huge European energy companies.

            Astronomical bills face customers who opted for floating-rate contracts tied to wholesale prices in the stateâ(TM)s freewheeling electric market.

            Link: https://www.ft.com/content/0e7... [ft.com]

            • by Ly4 ( 2353328 )

              As your quote indicates: WHOLESALE spot-market prices went up over 10,000%. That affected almost everybody in the state.

              Some people had pass-thru plans, and saw immediate increases. For others, the effect was simply delayed - Texans will be paying about 15% more for the next *decade* to cover a few days in February.

          • This past winter 'oopsie' looks orchestrated to create a speculator windfall, which suggests you're right about the RICO thing.
            There wasn't enough peaking power called for. Power plants can't start when frozen, can keep running in those temps if they're on.
            Wind/Solar price give aways have made gas plants have a problem operating at a profit if they have to idle too much. Wind/Solar aren't reliable and for now, don't have to pay the cost of making up the reliable power shortfall.
            If more peaking power is k
        • by dciman ( 106457 )

          Not to mention utility customers as far north as Minnesota are being forced to pay for the irresponsibility of Texas based natural gas companies (Centerpoint Energy) through increased utility bills (and we are being charged interest on it at nearly 9% to boot!).

        • by shanen ( 462549 )

          Everything's stupider in Texas. Can't larn 'em nuttin.

          But I think you should have included mention of Enron.

        • Texas hasn't learned a goddamn thing.

          California: Here Texas, hold my beer.

      • Wasn't a big part of the problem the fact that they were told a lot of times what they should be preparing for and they chose to do nothing.
      • They can plan and build with this new data.

        Yes, but they haven't.

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        You're assuming the cold weather blackouts in Texas resulted from effects that were unforeseeable to engineers. Having learned through experience, they can make changes to the grid to prevent it from happening. But the *grid* was not the cause of the outages; simultaneous failures at a number of individual power stations were the cause.

        Operating a grid is a complicated exercise in balancing supply and demand. If a substantial fraction of your supply fails simultaneously, there's no grid magic you can per

      • A stress test? *chuckle* That's a new one.

        "The engineers" have been telling the state's governors exactly what they needed to do to fix their grid for literally over ten years. The GOPers refused then - and they continue to refuse to do anything to prevent a repeat now - because they don't care about the people of Texas, all they care about is the bribes from ERCOT.

        And Texas refuses to be connected to the national grid - which would have enabled them to draw power and prevented the tragedy this Februa
    • Power, especially nuclear are half century investments ... a flybynight parasitic consumer can only cause malinvestment.

      Of course in a truly transparant/free market, there would be massive discrimination against bitcoin by power companies and their investors to pay for the risk of long term unreliable consumption. But because of the obfuscation and regulation of wholesale markets malinvestment is ensured.

  • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:02AM (#62004969)

    Cali's power grid is rock-solid.

    They're professionals. In California they tell you exactly when the power will be out for days on end. They've been at it so long, they've got it down to a science.

    In Texas, they're inexperienced. They have no clue when the power goes out. It's like they think it'll almost never happen.

    • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:19AM (#62005003)
      In Texas they are experienced. Very experienced in avoiding any regulations like winterizing operations for . . . winters.
      • No, dude. Of course they have regs. You can't have an interconnected power market without having regs.

        Where their regs fall down is that they favor the spot market rather than a futures market. The former enables wind farm, solar, and battery bank operators to turn a quick profit by providing power some of the time. The latter would favor (winterized) baseload providers and winterization of things like gas pipelines, wind turbines, and nuclear power cooling intakes. But it would cost more both in the spot m

        • The plant upgrades can only be recommended. There is no authority to mandate changes. So if it's cheaper to cause blackouts instead of doing upgrades then you have your answer.

          • You can "mandate" it with contract law. If you promise me power on Feb 27 of next year and don't deliver, you're guilty of criminal fraud and do time.

            The usual way to weasel out of these commitments is with an 'act of god' clause, and the way around that workaround is with a 'due diligence' clause.

            They didn't do that in Texas because they cheaped out and they got their result.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              You can "mandate" it with contract law. If you promise me power on Feb 27 of next year and don't deliver, you're guilty of criminal fraud and do time.

              That is not a "mandate" that winterization is to be done. The contract is to provide power. There are provisions in any contract if this is not done. A common exclusion in most contracts is force majeure [wikipedia.org] (act of God). A winter storm would be classified as an act of God. Thus the utility company is off the hook. It is not criminal fraud when a civil contract is not fulfilled. Please consult an attorney before you post such nonsense.

        • No, dude. Of course they have regs. You can't have an interconnected power market without having regs.

          The Texas power grid is not connected to the rest of the country. You know this right?

          Where their regs fall down is that they favor the spot market rather than a futures market. The former enables wind farm, solar, and battery bank operators to turn a quick profit by providing power some of the time. The latter would favor (winterized) baseload providers and winterization of things like gas pipelines, wind turbines, and nuclear power cooling intakes. But it would cost more both in the spot market and long-term, so they didn't incentivize it.

          In February 2011, Texas experienced a major winter storm which almost crippled the state. In an analysis [ferc.gov], recommendations were made to winterize all energy operations. Recommendations are not regulations thus they were not done.

          In February 2021, Texas was crippled by a major winter storm. Again, winterizing operations was recommended. [ferc.gov] Unless there is a regulation to do so, none of the energy companies is required to do so.

          • They're not connected to the rest of the country but they're connected to themselves.

            If you think you can have a pure libertarian paradise like that, try hooking two car batteries together one way, then the other way, and see what happens. I recommend wearing goggles.

            • They're not connected to the rest of the country but they're connected to themselves.

              Since they are not connected to the rest of the country, you do understand that they are not required to follow federal regulations right? In fact the main purpose that was touted to disconnect was so that Texas would not have to follow federal regulations. You know this right?

              If you think you can have a pure libertarian paradise like that, try hooking two car batteries together one way, then the other way, and see what happens. I recommend wearing goggles.

              No I am pointing out that winterizing energy operations has been recommended before. Without regulations to implement, that was done. And most likely will never be done. I am also pointing out that most of the energy plans Texas has m

              • You understand that Texas sets regs in the absence of federal authority to do so, right? They chose regs that disfavor investment in winterizing infrastructure.

                • You understand that Texas sets regs in the absence of federal authority to do so, right? They chose regs that disfavor investment in winterizing infrastructure.

                  That's not what I said, was it? I said specifically Texas left the national power grid to AVOID following any federal regulations. Also you do know Texas in general is not a heavy regulation state right? Why must you post such misinformation?

                  They chose regs that disfavor investment in winterizing infrastructure.

                  Citation needed. My reading is that Texas never implemented any such regulations to winterize despite recommendations.

                  • Loose regulations != no regulations.

                    Regulations that do not favor winterizing != no regulations.

                    Please tell me exactly where I posted "misinformation."

                    • "I said specifically Texas left the national power grid to AVOID following any federal regulations." Since the beginning I have said this. Please provide any information to the contrary.

                      They chose regs that disfavor investment in winterizing infrastructure.

                      Please cite the regulations that Texas passed that does this. I am betting no regulations exist. Therefore is what you are posting misinformation?

                    • Avoiding federal regulations is not synonymous with declining to adopt one's own regulations.

                      Oh look: http://www.puc.texas.gov/agenc... [texas.gov]

                      Is that a set of rules for electricity production and distribution in Texas?

                    • Again I said Texas energy over the last decade has been avoiding regulations. In the case of federal regulations that is 100% true. You want to frame it in some other way despite that is the whole truth.

                      Oh look: http://www.puc.texas.gov/agenc [texas.gov]... [texas.gov]

                      Please. Citing the whole rule book when I asked for the specific regulation is dishonest at best. You might as well have linked the Texas Constitution.

                    • said there were no regulations, which you tacitly identified with the absence of federal regulations.

                      Please cite the regulations. You still have not done so.

                      I said that the regs that are in place disfavor winterizing etc.

                      Please cite the specific regulation. You can't can you? That is why you posted all of them in a dishonest move.

                      Nevermind that you're picking a fight over a point of agreement for some reason, can you point to any place where I said that Texas didn't opt to avoid federal regulations?

                      You are still trying to muddle the fact that Texas avoiding federal regulations did not happen by saying "But they are following Texas regulations." At best that is dishonesty. At best that is misinformation.

                    • My whole point has always been that Texas rules do not make for an environment where winterization investments occur. Then you jump down my throat and claim there are no rules and I'm a liar for trying to make a specific point and a fool for not having a link to a sound bite to prove me right?

                      Please cite those rules.

                      You just want to pick an argument.

                      You said: " They chose regs that disfavor investment in winterizing infrastructure." Please cite those regs.

    • Until a massive amount of deregulation. Funny thing that, when you let people put their hands in the cookie jar they take all the cookies.
      • I'll play the "true communism has never been tried" card.

        Deregulation without implementation of strong contract law isn't really deregulation. It's just shirking responsibility.

        • Strong contract law does nothing when you cause so much damage and loss of life that your corporation is bankrupted by the subsequent lawsuits.

          But your C-suite got some pretty nice bonuses due to the business neglecting its basic duties, and they'll just move on to another company.

  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:04AM (#62004975)

    and when the USA bank regs come to bitcoin?

    • They might as well try to regulate the weather, TBH.
    • by khchung ( 462899 )

      and when the USA bank regs come to bitcoin?

      When the bitcoin owners get rich enough (either by the current owners making a lot of money, or big money getting into bitcoin) and want to put up barriers so others cannot easily get in.

      This is how regulation begins in every industry in America, including banking. The big players, upon reaching a certain level, finds it cheaper to buy laws to close the door to entry than to compete against newcomers.

  • Enron started in Texas and they tried to rip off every other grid operators, mainly in California by price manipulation and then went bankrupt as the 'crooked E'. Bush's Kenny Boy Lay is now deceased and so is Enron's Cliff Baxtor who committed suicide. Enron CEO Jeff Skilling is now out of jail and moving into cryptos. 'The former CEO of Enron, Jeffrey Skilling who had been imprisoned for almost 12 years and was serving in prison due to 19 count conviction on his part over the infamous fall of the firm,
  • Bitcoin minochs. Chewing on the power cables.
  • ...already under strain from an expanding population and robust economy.

    Hi Texas, it's me. Just tell Joe Rogan to go back to California. Trust me.

    • I was thinking we should just give Texas back to Mexico.

      • by Shaeun ( 1867894 )

        I was thinking we should just give Texas back to Mexico.

        I'm fairly certain that the citizens of Texas would not agree to that.

        • I was thinking we should just give Texas back to Mexico.

          I'm fairly certain that the citizens of Texas would not agree to that.

          It's possible the citizens of Mexico wouldn't either ... :-)

          • Texas would survive as it's own nation at that point. It has it's own ports, electric grid, food supply. Sure, it would still import and export food with the US because well, that's how trade works.

            California is another state that would do just fine on it's own. Both states have big enough economies and enough diversity in those economies as well as large amounts of land and natural resources.

            • It would be a harsh transition though. Especially Texas - it gets substantially more money from the federal government then it pays in federal taxes. Things would get a lot worse before there was any prospect of them getting better.

              • I agree, though that's probably true for any single state, California included.

                • I looked it up. There are only eight states that, in 2021, paid more in federal taxes than they accepted in federal funding.

                  New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Connecticut, Minnesota, Colorado, Utah.

  • by marcle ( 1575627 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:32AM (#62005039)

    Are only concerned with staying in power and lining their own pockets, not necessarily in that order. The welfare of the populace couldn't concern them less. Their unstable and unregulated power grid undoubtably has more melodrama in store for the unlucky residents. If I lived in Texas I'd buy a whopping big generator.

    • Same with a few of those Silicon Valley companies moving to Texas. They aren't moving for the benefit of the employees. They're moving to Texas because of less worker protections so they can extract more profits. Employees won't see any of that.

      • Good thing they can take their awesome skills to some other company that could use them. In fact, now would probably be one of the best possibly times to look for a new job if your company is deciding to leave one state you like for another you don't.

        What's the problem exactly? You think California owns those businesses? They are just butthurt they will lose whatever taxes and jobs those companies provided, but surely those companies leaving will leave own spaces for new enterprises to spring up, right?

        I wo

    • by kenh ( 9056 )

      Talk to me about the marvelous power grid in Puerto Rico (it is part of the United States, remember) or about the California power grid that enjoys rolling blackouts to avoid setting mountain ranges on fire... Then I'll tell you about the reliability of the Texas power grid aside from once-a-century freeze.

      Generators in Texas are almost unheard of in residential settings (because the power grid is that reliable), when I lived in then North East home generators were becoming a thing, especially after the ext

      • Comment removed based on user account deletion
        • It's almost like you just choose to put your head in the sand and pretend like Texas grid goes down yearly when it doesn't. Yet in California, this does in fact happen. It's part of the reason I wanted solar panels and more battery backups in my home. If the state is to incompetent to keep the lights on, I'll have to take care of it myself.

          Now if only some smart people could discovery a break through in cheap battery tech so home size batteries didn't cost 75% of what the panels cost.

    • Last I looked, those fuck-ups were vote into office and represent a fucked-up population that is deeply stuck in some fantasy of their own superiority. Well, maybe they can still have a use as a negative example for the rest.

    • And then they turn around, with big puppy dog eyes, and wax God and Jesus.

        It is known that the most hypocritical people are the ones who sing their hymns the loudest in church.

  • by Alain Williams ( 2972 ) <addw@phcomp.co.uk> on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:05PM (#62005117) Homepage

    What a phenomenal waste of energy is bitcoin. Frittering away energy link this will do nothing to stop climate change.

    • Bitcoin is not the problem.

      The lack of carbon pricing to internalise the cost of the negative externalities of energy production are the problem.

      Solve the problem of carbon pricing, and bitcoin becomes an efficient use of scarce resources.

  • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:06PM (#62005119)

    Texas seeing the end of big oil seeks new ways in which it can massively fuck up the environment.

  • Most Vulnerable? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kenh ( 9056 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:08PM (#62005125) Homepage Journal

    Texas, already home to the most vulnerable power grid in the U.S.

    When did Puerto Rico [institutef...search.org] cease being part of the United States?

    Puerto Rico’s decades-old power grid is held together by patchwork repairs that has left it vulnerable to natural disasters such as earthquakes and hurricanes. It is plagued by aging equipment with generators averaging 45 years old, lack of maintenance and past mismanagement and political corruption of an inefficient system.

    The California power grid enjoys rolling blackouts [marketplace.org] to avoid setting major wildfires in less populous parts of the state and has gotten approval from regulators to "seize" electricity destined for other states that travels over it's power grid:

    California is the biggest importer of power in the U.S. and it lets other states borrow its grid to transport power. Under pressure, Mainzer approached the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and asked if California could hold onto power destined for another state, in a pinch. A few weeks ago, FERC said yes.

    The "Vulnerability" of the Texas Power Grid is limited to freezing when temperatures in Texas drop to near-arctic temperatures, something that could be reasonably discussed in non-scientific circles as a once-on-a-century event.

    • Re:Most Vulnerable? (Score:5, Informative)

      by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:19PM (#62005161)

      The "Vulnerability" of the Texas Power Grid is limited to freezing when temperatures in Texas drop to near-arctic temperatures, something that could be reasonably discussed in non-scientific circles as a once-on-a-century event.

      Except it's happened three times in 32 years. https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]

      So let's change that to once a decade event.

      • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 )

        How old is your signature? Fox has been controlled by a leftist for years. As usual people that don't research properly are a day late and a dollar short.

        - In June 2015, Rupert Murdoch announced he would be leaving his position as CEO of 21st Century Fox and his left leaning son James would take over the position.
        - In March 2019, 21st Century Fox was sold to ultra left-leaning Walt Disney Company, ending James Murdoch's tenure as CEO.

        • First, Disney is not 'ultra left-leaning.' Disney leans in whichever direction the scent of money blows from.
          More important though, Disney doesn't own Fox news. They purchased Fox's entertainment assets, but not the new division. Disney doesn't want that.

        • How fucking dumb are you?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          as a result of the acquisition of 21st Century Fox by The Walt Disney Company; the assets that were not acquired by Disney were spun off from 21st Century Fox as the new Fox Corp

          Fox News is not owned by Disney.

    • The California power grid enjoys rolling blackouts to avoid setting major wildfires in less populous parts of the state

      Yes, CA made the mistake of believing Republicans who said deregulating and privatizing the power grid would be fantastic. So under Gov Pete Wilson's direction, they did so.

      And so PG&E, newly freed from those terrible, evil, no-good regulations decided they didn't want to pay for basic maintenance like brush clearing. Or basic maintenance to prevent sparks. I mean, you do that and the C-suite can't take that money as bonuses!

      Then PG&E's negligence burned down a few towns, and killed a medium-size

    • Was part of America a long time ago. They've basically ignored them every time a major storm slams into them. Largely because they don't have proper representation being a territory. Also Texas has several other vulnerabilities such as just being really really old. The winterization is just the one that's likely to take it down again this year.

      Finally California's problems are entirely due to a lack of infrastructure spending which were about to start doing again. To be fair they're right wing has block
  • The outcomes may be entertaining...

  • Bitcoin miners are exquisitely aware of power costs. In texas, whenpower is cheap, they will mine. When their fundamentally-unstable grid causes a 100 thousand precent spike increase in prices, the miners will auto-shut down within seconds, if not milliseconds.

    Its the people, with their fundamentally slower reaction times, that will get caught flat-footed.

    So, one could argue that texas is a great place for bitcoin miners. Suitable for Humans habitation? Mmmmaybe not so much.
    • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

      Most residents have contracts with their power companies to buy power at predetermined monthly rates. When the grid wholesale rate spiked, it was those power companies that took the brunt of the hit. Of course, they'll probably increase rates to repay that shortfall.

      Bitcoin demand will increase rates too. Miners who can get the cheapest electricity will have the best ROI, which means more money to keep expanding their operations. They will soak up the cheapest electricity wherever that exists until the pric

  • the wrong end of bitcoin to be in. But then the government is picking winners and losers again. One does wonder why it is the taxpayers that "always" lose.
  • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @02:07PM (#62005441)

    crypto miners are ultimately good for the grid, since they say the miners can soak up excess clean power

    Wasn't it gimpy Abbott, and a multitude of other Republicans, who lied about the reason [statesman.com] for the power outages which killed Texans, claiming it was because the clean energy folks which caused it? Why yes, yes they did [newsweek.com].

    In fact, they were so gung ho to blame green energy, they are forcing taxpayers to cough up $3.4 billion [slashdot.org] to cover the debt natural gas companies incurred when the grid all but collapsed because these same companies couldn't be bothered to spend a few dollars to weatherize their systems.

    Yet now we're to believe there will be enough power for Texans despite the excess load being put into the already fragile system by cryptominers. That somehow there's an "excess" of electricity which can be sucked up by these folks who will also graciously throttle back their waste of electricity if asked to do so? If you're on life support in Texas, or need a continual source of electricity to keep you alive, you would be advised to move because at the first hint of the next power outage, you're going down.

    • by splutty ( 43475 )

      crypto miners are ultimately good for the grid, since they say the miners can soak up excess clean power

      They want the miners to soak up all the clean power, so it can't pollute their dirty powergrid. Seems perfectly logical to me.

    • That somehow there's an "excess" of electricity which can be sucked up by these folks who will also graciously throttle back their waste of electricity if asked to do so?

      Mining profits are very sensitive to electricity price. When the price of electricity goes up (for example, if some power plants fail and there is not enough power), miners will shut down until the price is low enough.

  • With this sort of gigantic, intense stupidity in Texas it is probably better that the Texas grid is (almost completely) isolated from the rest of the North American grid. Then the problems this will cause there won't spread to other electricity areas.

    Clearly, you should also isolate Texas from gas transmission and markets, so that electrical consumption idiocy can't make prices go crazy and cause people on the other side of the country to have to pay for it ( https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com] ).

  • Farm Chia and do not burn excessive electricity.

  • That's all I have to say about that.

  • ..it's the people who are not.

  • Proponents like Senator Ted Cruz and Governor Greg Abbott, both Republicans, say crypto miners are ultimately good for the grid, since they say the miners can soak up excess clean power and, when needed, can voluntarily throttle back in seconds to help avert blackouts.

    Reality and satire have finally merged.

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