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Instacart Bets on Robots To Shrink Ranks of 500,000 Gig Shoppers (bloomberg.com) 43

Instacart has an audacious plan to replace its army of gig shoppers with robots -- part of a long-term strategy to cut costs and put its relationship with supermarket chains on a sustainable footing. From a report: The plan, detailed in documents reviewed by Bloomberg, involves building automated fulfillment centers around the U.S., where hundreds of robots would fetch boxes of cereal and cans of soup while humans gather produce and deli products. Some facilities would be attached to existing grocery stores while larger standalone centers would process orders for several locations, according to the documents, which were dated July and December.

Despite working on the strategy for more than a year, however, the company has yet to sign up a single supermarket chain. Instacart had planned to begin testing the fulfillment centers later this year, the documents show. But the company has fallen behind schedule, according to people familiar with the situation. And though the documents mention asking several automation providers to build the technology, Instacart hasn't settled on any, said the people, who requested anonymity to discuss a private matter. In February, the Financial Times reported on elements of the strategy and said Instacart in early 2020 sent out requests for proposals to five robotics companies.

An Instacart spokeswoman said the company was busy buttressing its operations during the pandemic, when it signed up 300,000 new gig workers in a matter of weeks, bringing the current total to more than 500,000. But the delays in getting the automation strategy off the ground could potentially undermine plans to go public this year. Investors know robots will play a critical role in modernizing the $1.4 trillion U.S. grocery industry.

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Instacart Bets on Robots To Shrink Ranks of 500,000 Gig Shoppers

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  • Human automation. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Ostracus ( 1354233 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:18PM (#61444200) Journal

    Investors know robots will play a critical role in modernizing the $1.4 trillion U.S. grocery industry.

    As Walmart and Amazon demonstrate people are still more versatile and cheaper.

    • Re:Human automation. (Score:4, Informative)

      by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:24PM (#61444230)
      Well sort of. Amazon has a LOT of automation its warehouses.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      That is of course different from "shopping" in aisles next to regular human shoppers who are messing everything up. From the article it looks like they have their eye on both: "Some facilities would be attached to existing grocery stores while larger standalone centers would process orders for several locations."

      • Well sort of. Amazon has a LOT of automation its warehouses.

        By turning all the toilets into water bottles?

        Not exactly what I would call "automation", especially when the next efficiency level will be diapers.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by bobthecow ( 67269 )

        My first visit to an Amazon Fresh a few weeks ago store was less than encouraging. The Dash cart is neat, but it got confused when I had to rearrange things to make them fit (the basket area is small). The employees seemed annoyed that there were actual shoppers in the store. I had to be fairly obnoxious to get their attention when trying to make my way down the aisle past the pallet jacks and the personal shoppers (or whatever Amazon calls them).

        And then I had to cart several things back into the store

    • The point is it's a completely replace humans. The point is to replace enough of them that you can crash wages find dramatically reducing the demand for labor.

      People sometimes wonder what it is about a CEO that makes them worth billions of dollars. And sure some of that is just them being members of the ruling class. But in terms of what they actually do for a living a huge part of it is figuring out how to reduce the cost of Labor. A large part of that is eliminating jobs. Your job.
  • These sadistically psychopathic crapitalists will stop at nothing to drive to the cost of labor to precisely zero.

    To them, you are nothing but a line item on a balance sheet.

    Pwn thyself, as an S-Corp or as an LLC, else prepare for a life of slavery in service of your crapitalist/kkk0mmunist overlords.
  • Products are not packaged to be handled by robots. You would need to have manufacturers on board to make versions of their products that can easily be grabbed and handled by robots. No manufacturer would bother with that. There is not standard for robot-friendly packaging.

    • Products are not meant to be scanned by lasers. You would need to have manufacturers on board to make versions of their products that can easily be scanned and identified by lasers. No manufacturer would bother with that. There is no standard for barcodes.

      • by fermion ( 181285 )
        Yet people still have to scan the products. I can check myself out, but I canâ(TM)t just put the products in a bag and then leave. Can you imagine being in line behind a robot at the checkout?
        • You haven't been to an Amazon Fresh store. The carts have a ring of cameras on the inside that scan the items as you put them in the cart. You check out using the Amazon App on your phone. It's surprisingly easy and has worked well every time I've used it.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • There is no standard for barcodes

        I guess you mean the location on packaging, there should be one on every side. Larger heavy items already mostly have them on opposing sides so you don't have to move a bulky package all around searching for that one spot.

        • by Sneftel ( 15416 )

          No, I was referring to the fact that, once upon a time, there was no UPC standard; yet manufacturers absolutely did get on board, because it was either that or be dropped by stores/distributors.

      • Honestly you can just put everything in the same place every time and then have the humans check all the robots work before they deliver everything.
      • There is no standard for barcodes.

        UPC/EAN beg to differ. Pretty much everything I've bought in the past 20 years has had a standardized barcode.

    • But there is a market for frustration-free packaging.

    • by Pascoea ( 968200 )
      When you are talking about packaged, non-perishable foods, there are a finite number of packaging options. Automating picking them is not out of the realm of possibility. Hell, better than 90% of it could probably be handled in a vending machine style arrangement. I guess you still have the problem of stocking the vending machines without getting ran over by a robot.
  • Crazy people (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fermion ( 181285 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:31PM (#61444252) Homepage Journal
    I am pretty tolerant of paid shoppers. They are not relaxed like the rest of the shoppers say, at Whole Foods, getting drunk on cheap wine, looking to hook up for a quickie before they have to get home to the spouse, but they are people and deserve respect. But robots that get in my way, they are just going to be damaged. If I want a cookie, and these robots are all in that space, it will be mayhem. And if a robot touches me, I will never have to work again.
    • Thank you fermion for telling me where I should be shopping for companionship, in addition to groceries! Can I get an Handy behind the asparagus display?

    • Re:Crazy people (Score:4, Informative)

      by Sneftel ( 15416 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:56PM (#61444352)

      Big words for the guy without a metal exoskeleton or high-torque servos.

    • If a company is building robots to go to retail grocery stores rather than wholesale warehouses, then they are doing it wrong.
    • Wow. I've apparently been missing out at Whole Foods. Can I go and get a quickie behind the olive bar?
    • It's 500,000 employees dude. You'll never see the robots they'll build entire sections of the store for just the robots. Or forget that entire warehouses for just them.
      • by fermion ( 181285 )
        They serve three hundred chain stores. That is an average of about 1500 workers per chain. Kroger has 3000 stores just under their main name.
  • How does this even get out? What the heck is "nstacart"?
  • I’m surprised Amazon hasn’t stepped in and taken over home grocery delivery. There must be a reason, like the logistics making it not profitable.
  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @03:17PM (#61444468)

    I've used Ncart a couple time now.

    Once the fulfillment had not just expired items, one of them was fulfilled with meat 3 days beyond "best by/use by" dates. I did allegedly get my $5 back.

    Next time I got some lunch meat, one was good for 30 days, the other was good for about 4 days after I bought it.

    If "AI"/bots could select items that were not expired (or soon to be expired), I'd be OK with it.

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      That's nothing. A couple of weeks ago, we bought some cookie dough from the Walmart Neighborhood Market in Sunnyvale, only to discover that it was two (or was it three) *months* past its expiration date. Worse, no one seemed even slightly alarmed when we told them.

      Expired food products on shelves won't stop being a problem until a few high-profile people die of food poisoning and regulators start cracking down on stores for having out-of-date products on the shelves. As long as there are no random spot

      • For most products those expire dates are only points when the product starts losing quality - starts losing color, gets to hard or soft, doesn't dissolve properly etc. Only for very few of them (unprocessed meat being prime example) exceeding those dates is likely to cause any health problems.

        • by radaos ( 540979 )
          Don't know about the US, but in the EU, 'Best Before' and 'Use By' have specific meanings defined by food safety regulations.
          They are definitely not synonymous. https://www.fsai.ie/uploadedFi... [www.fsai.ie]

          Best Before = May not taste as good after this date.
          Use By = Unsafe to eat after this date.
  • by tomkost ( 944194 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @03:19PM (#61444478)
    I don't know about other areas, but here in Texas, we have HEB Grocery chain. They have their own curbside and delivery service and it's great. The curbside is completely free now for $35+ purchase. That only takes 1 or 2 items at today's prices. I seriously doubt HEB will let Instacart have part of the space or let their robots roam around. I agree with the previous comment. If the Instacart robot is in my way, I'm not gonna be to happy about it. Good Luck!! They're gonna need it!
    • They can't be putting this forward in good faith, right? Like, surely they know the impracticality of the idea. Is there a negotiation with labor going on, or is this some other form of posturing? I'm not sure if I'm being too cynical or not cynical enough. Maybe they really are serious.
      • None of these 500,000 shoppers work for instacart, they outsource everything to the gig economy so that's 500K independent contractors with no rights or recourse when robots come for their jobs. you are entirely at the whim of the corp and in every state except california you can be paid below any minimum wage for your work. CA tried to change the situation to get these workers properly classified as employees (and they really are because they have none of the traditional controls over work done that a real
        • by tomkost ( 944194 )
          ya, "cheap food delivery".. I can drive 10 minutes or pay $90 for some cold food... The gig workers are not the only one's being exploited.
  • by swm ( 171547 ) <swmcd@world.std.com> on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @03:35PM (#61444544) Homepage

    This makes no sense on multiple levels.

    What they are trying to automate is the labor done by shoppers as they move products from shelves to shopping carts. But that labor is
    - hard to automate from a robotics standpoint (unstructured problem domain)
    - even harder to automate in terms of getting the shopper what they actually want (no apples; substitute canned beets y/n?)
    - already free to the grocery store

    What you need to do this is a grocery chain + robotics. The grocery chains won't do it because it cannibalizes their core business; the robotics companies won't do it because it is a hard problem with no clear ROI, and if a grocer and a robotics company did get together and do it why should Instacart get a cut?

    It reminds me of the early days of the web, when everyone had an idea for a web site that would make them loads of money...if someone else would just build it for them.

  • I'm sure they'd like to get rid of 500k "team members", but it's no trivial task to build robots and integrate them into random stores to pull items, complete the checkout process, then get them to customers. I'm not saying its impossible, but good luck doing this in the next decade!

  • Uber bet on "driverless vehicles" to make them profitable. Then after billions squandered, ended up selling its self driving division. https://www.business-standard.... [business-standard.com] Amazon and Walmart are already in this space and they have deeper pockets, years of expertise in distribution where these tech-bros are just more gig-economy scammers.

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