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Intel Hardware

Intel Unveils Full Tiger Lake-H Processor Line-Up For Higher Performance Laptops (hothardware.com) 39

MojoKid writes: In January, Intel officially announced its Tiger Lake-H mobile platform, but today disclosed full details on the new, higher-end variant of Tiger Lake manufactured using 10nm SuperFIN technology, that brings with it a few significant platform enhancements beyond just its clock speed and core count boost. Intel is refreshing the lineup with higher-power and higher-performance Tiger Lake-H45 processors, with up to 8 physical cores (16 threads). In addition, the CPUs feature 20 reconfigurable PCI Express 4.0 lanes attached directly to the processor, which enable PCIe 4.0 NVMe RAID -- a first for any mobile platform. The platform features all of the latest IO and connectivity technologies, like Killer Wi-Fi 6 / 6E, Thunderbolt 4, and support for Resizable BAR. There are an array of consumer and commercial Tiger Lake-H based 11th Gen Intel Core H-series processors coming down the pipeline. The top-end consumer SKU is the Core i9-11980HK, which is an 8-core / 16-thread processor, with a base clock of 2.6GHz and maximum turbo clock of 5GHz on one or two cores. What also makes this particular processor interesting is that it is fully unlocked and overclockable via Intel's XTU utility. Intel has shipped millions of units volume to laptop OEMs already and expects to have laptops in market from all of the majors this month.
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Intel Unveils Full Tiger Lake-H Processor Line-Up For Higher Performance Laptops

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  • Where are we on the whole Spectre/Meltdown, IME, multi-core performance (with the aforementioned avoided), and chip availability thing?

    All I know that Intel's "10nm" is equal to TSMC's "7nm" and they're both really about four times that, so they're both fraudulent thugs already.

    • And finally: I like my backdoored CPU wireless-networking-free and my wifi non-murderous, thank you very much.

    • It will be funny because when they get to the angstrom feature size, because of the fraudulent size marketing, they will still be able to claim sub-atomic feature sizes. IBMâ(TM)s 2nm process claims 330 million transistors per millimeter squared. That means that means along each side there are 9,000 blocks per transistor. Each of those blocks is actually 110 nanometers in length, not 2 nanometers .. the reason being you need spacing wiring other devices etc. those distances are dictated by the current

    • by DamnOregonian ( 963763 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:07PM (#61374114)

      Where are we on the whole Spectre/Meltdown

      About the same as AMD.

      My 9th gen i9:
      Vulnerability Itlb multihit: KVM: Mitigation: VMX disabled
      Vulnerability L1tf: Not affected
      Vulnerability Mds: Not affected
      Vulnerability Meltdown: Not affected
      Vulnerability Spec store bypass: Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
      Vulnerability Spectre v1: Mitigation; usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
      Vulnerability Spectre v2: Mitigation; Enhanced IBRS, IBPB conditional, RSB filling
      Vulnerability Srbds: Mitigation; TSX disabled
      Vulnerability Tsx async abort: Mitigation; TSX disabled

      My zen2 ryzen:
      Vulnerability Itlb multihit: Not affected
      Vulnerability L1tf: Not affected
      Vulnerability Mds: Not affected
      Vulnerability Meltdown: Not affected
      Vulnerability Spec store bypass: Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
      Vulnerability Spectre v1: Mitigation; usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
      Vulnerability Spectre v2: Mitigation; Full AMD retpoline, IBPB conditional, STIBP conditional, RSB filling
      Vulnerability Srbds: Not affected
      Vulnerability Tsx async abort: Not affected

      You can obviously ignore the TSX shit, since there is no analogue to TSX on any AMD procs.

  • by dnaumov ( 453672 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:26AM (#61373308)

    Is is anywhere near close to matching M1 at the price/performance/powerdraw ratio?

    • Is is anywhere near close to matching M1 at the price/performance/powerdraw ratio?

      I'm betting the M1 crushes it when both are running on battery alone. I'm also betting that the fans will be very loud next to the fan-less MacBook Air.

    • more ram then M1 and pci-e video + m.2 storage (not apple locked in over priced storage)

    • CPU wise? No. Not by a long shot. The x86 guys are going to be feeling that particular black eye for a while. Apple changed the game in speculative execution. The M1's speculative depth appears to be 2-3x that of top end Intel's.
      If your average x86 chip is superscalar, then the M1 is ultra-fucking-scalar.
      You can expect the big guys to (begrudgingly) accept the new status quo and become competitive within a couple generations.
      On the power side... nobody is going to touch the M1 until they move to 5nm alon
      • Don't forget: SSDs not soldered directly to the mainboard.

        The RAM was bad enough, but that is enough to blacklist any product that does it immediately.

        • Yup- forgot the SSD.

          But now for the pros:
          This passively cooled wonder easy keeps up with my i9-9980HK for an entire 7 minutes before it throttles- and it can do that using about 1/5th the power.
          That is fucking remarkable.
          If you cut through all the apple hype, this processor really does represent a paradigm shift.

          So, I don't regret the money I spent. I've spent a lot more on laptops far less cool. But you're right: the SSD and the RAM would have been deal breakers for any "regular" machine I was looki
      • I should also clarify on the x86 support before anyone beats me up over Rosetta 2.
        Rosetta is awesome, and it does a fucking fantastic job at running x86_64 macOS apps.
        However, it would be super nice (for me) if they supported doing their dynamic translation inside of the HVF, so that my qemu virts could have that level of speedup when running an x86_64 image.
        And on the 32-bit side, that's a pure Apple-ism, and just an assaholic business move.
        They have decided they no longer support 32-bit anything, so R
      • Only Microsoft makes screens comparable to Apple's (across its entire product lineup).
        You might get gimmicks like 120Hz and 144Hz but you usually lose one or more of brightness, contrast, viewing angle, color accuracy, improved color space, ...
        (which doesn't mean that you can't find _one_ particular laptop screen that _for you_ is better than anything Apple offers - like 17 inch screen laptop for example).

        However, limited RAM, limited SSD space, huge markup for more RAM/SSD, nothing user-upgradable are huge

        • Only Microsoft makes screens comparable to Apple's (across its entire product lineup).

          What are you talking about? I literally have several 4k laptops with higher pixel density, and superior screen technologies (OLED) and color space than my M1.
          You're making shit up.
          Believe me, you haven't seen beautiful until you've seen 10-bit images on an OLED screen.

          As for better GPUs, x86/32 bit support, not having to use MacOS - those might not matter. M1 is basically made for "thin and light" laptops not for desktop replacements, mobile workstations or gaming powerhouses.

          the new M1 iMac, and M1 MacBook Pro would like to have a word with you.

  • Herp (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Cmdln Daco ( 1183119 )

    Herp Derp

    Eeeh Emm Dee.

    (Can't believe it wasn't already in the comments)

  • 20 + DMI or just 16 + DMI for pcie lanes?

  • by Crash Gordon ( 233006 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:14PM (#61373952)

    Deprecated after brief test.

  • Their legacy for this CPU architecture is legendary, and that is the problem. It carries so much with it that revolutionary change is practically impossible. It makes it easy for a large company to become an old one.

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