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Sergey Brin's Airship Aims To Use World's Biggest Mobile Hydrogen Fuel Cell (techcrunch.com) 58

Sergey Brin's secretive airship company LTA Research and Exploration is planning to power a huge disaster relief airship with an equally record-breaking hydrogen fuel cell. From a report: A job listing from the company, which is based in Mountain View, California and Akron, Ohio, reveals that LTA wants to configure a 1.5-megawatt hydrogen propulsion system for an airship to deliver humanitarian aid and revolutionize transportation. While there are no specs tied to the job listing, such a system would likely be powerful enough to cross oceans. Although airships travel much slower than jet planes, they can potentially land or deliver goods almost anywhere.

Hydrogen fuel cells are an attractive solution for electric aviation because they are lighter and potentially cheaper than lithium-ion batteries. However, the largest hydrogen fuel cell to fly to date is a 0.25-megawatt system (250 kilowatts) in ZeroAvia's small passenger plane last September. LTA's first crewed prototype airship, called Pathfinder 1, will be powered by batteries when it takes to the air, possibly this year. FAA records show that the Pathfinder 1 has 12 electric motors and would be able to carry 14 people. That makes it about the same size as the only passenger airship operating today, the Zeppelin NT, which conducts sightseeing tours in Germany and Switzerland. The Pathfinder 1 also uses some Zeppelin components in its passenger gondola.

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Sergey Brin's Airship Aims To Use World's Biggest Mobile Hydrogen Fuel Cell

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  • What could go wrong?
  • Presumably, he's not doing this out of the kindness of his heart. So, how do you make money from disaster relief? Who do you charge for this?

    BTW - The actual definition of fascism isn't someone that's conservative or someone you don't like -- It's an economic model where traditionally state-run institutions are owned by private interests.
    • It's high-profile advertising. If they can prove that they can carry out humanitarian missions then it can also handle humdrum cargo transport.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Probably also just the usual billionaire thing of whitewashing their image by doing a few humanitarian things that actually make them money and distract you from the on-going catastrofuck they are causing.

    • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday February 26, 2021 @10:54AM (#61102210) Homepage Journal

      Making money isn't what motivates someone with $88B. Once a person is super rich, while they must maintain their wealth to keep their status, they need to seek out other means to increase their status. Especially among their peers. For them once you've met one guy with $88B, meeting a richer one with $100B is not significantly more impressive.

      • What would motivate a person to be eternally ridiculed for wasting the world's scarce helium?

        • It's going to an uphill battle to convince the general populace to give a shit about any non-renewal resource, especially one that is seems so cheap and abundant as helium. We can't even get most people to agree that we should stop burning coal. And that stuff release toxic smoke and mercury. And most importantly you can't use coal to make festive party balloons. There's zero chance of fixing this before it is too late.

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      "Disaster relief" is a convenient excuse; its basically a floating sky palace, an aerial vacation home that he ostensibly plans to put to good use if someone makes a request and he feels like taking them up on it.

      This sort of thing is common with billionaires. Paul Allen used to travel around the world in his megayacht Octopus [wikimedia.org], which was like a floating apartment complex at sea (the thing moored itself in the bay north of Reykjavík for weeks at a time, it was a real eyesore). But he always pitched Octo

      • "1.5-megawatt" FLYING LASER with sustained loiter capability. Forget Puff the Magic Dragon, [wikipedia.org] this is SMAUG.
        • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

          One giant fat unarmoured target, in disaster relief, during chaos, entirely foolish concept. What you want is to review what the navy is up to, and replace all large warships with one design, a mid sized carrier that can beach and unload many vehicles, nuclear powered to supply unlimited hot water and electricity and instead of unloading the merchandise of war and slaughter, unload construction equipment and the merchandise of constructive and development, as well as handling helicopter rescue and recovery

          • by Rei ( 128717 )

            To be fair, airships aren't as easy to shoot down as you may be picturing. They're not like a party balloon; the helium pressure inside is only barely above ambient, and takes a long time to leak out through holes.

        • >sharks
    • by Zagnar ( 722415 )

      BTW - The actual definition of fascism isn't someone that's conservative or someone you don't like -- It's an economic model where traditionally state-run institutions are owned by private interests.

      There's a lot more to fascism than that, maybe you're thinking of privatization. Here's an excerpt:

      Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy

    • how do you make money from disaster relief?

      An airship for disaster relief is a stupid fucking idea. Somebody must have thought that one up in all of ten minutes toilet time.

      • It depends. I saw some proposals for airships as emergency vehicles for some remote regions, especially jungle regions. The benefits seem obvious - no airstrip needed, not even a heliport-sized flat area.
        • And if it happens to be too windy out for an airship that day, oh well, the jungle villagers can die. And with the severely limited speed, you're not getting many cargo runs in per day. And somehow I doubt Sergey will be frequently stationing it in the Congo to be ready to react quickly when disaster strikes anyway.

          • Sure, in that case you'll use the other transportation option that they've been using before, namely wishing that item A magically appeared in place B. It worked out great in the past. (Also, why Congo? This was mostly proposed for Amazonia -- it's obvious why conquering Amazonia from the air would be attractive for Google people. ;))
  • Every billionaire needs their far-out wow project, just to keep up with the Joneses.

  • by La Gris ( 531858 ) <<lea.gris> <at> <noiraude.net>> on Friday February 26, 2021 @10:31AM (#61102158) Homepage

    Anyone has a non monetized privacy invading tracker link to the poster's article?

    https://techcrunch.com/2021/02... [techcrunch.com]

    That redirects to https://guce.advertising.com/c... [advertising.com]

    and redirects a 2nd time to: https://guce.techcrunch.com/co... [techcrunch.com]

    and redirects to: https://consent.yahoo.com/v2/c... [yahoo.com]

    Consent bullshit since guce advertising already collected my privacy for profit.

    • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

      I experienced no redirects when visiting that URL.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Interesting. I'm in the EU and which I click it I get a redirect to A Yahoo cookie consent page, and then back to Tech Crunch.

      Looks like people in the EU are ask if they would please take pity on us poor advertisers and allow some tracking cookies, while US users just get privacy raped automatically. It actually detects what legal jurisdiction you are in before deciding if it is going to be nice or get out the anal probe.

    • Firefox with the right plugin takes care of it, or you can just get your host file updated search for no place like 127.0.0.1
  • why bother?
  • "Although airships travel much slower than jet planes, they can potentially land or deliver goods almost anywhere."

    If memory serves, a hydrogen airship made a particularly spectacular delivery at Lakehurst, New Jersey a while back. I wonder if rumours are true that Brin is having trouble choosing a name for his airship. The leading candidates at present, apparently, are Columbia and Challenger, with Titanic a close third.

    • Name your fuel, and I'll show you a photo of it going up in an inferno.
    • More Hindenburg passengers survived than from a typical fixed wing aircraft crash, but that idiot narrator ensure idiot plebs would fear hydrogen forever.

      • Zero Hindenburgs survived, pretty much the story of every large airship. Most got torn up in the air, storm force winds are a bitch.

      • Fear? Please try not to be stupid. Electricity, hydrogen and oxygen isn't going to be a good mix in the near future. No, every trip isn't going to result in a horror story, but would you like to compare reliability of fixed wing versus airships over a range of weather conditions?

  • if it hits the ground.

  • Don't Be Evil? Or perhaps there will be no pretense this time around?
  • Giant storm disasters might not be dirigible-friendly.

  • During World War I the Germans used hydrogen for bouyancy in the Zepellins that bombed England. I remember seeing a documentary and the Zeppelins were not that prone to having hydrogen fires, despite being attacked by aircraft. Eventually the attacking pilots learned to concentrate fire on one particular spot in the gas bags to get something started.

    There's been a lot of debate and suspicion about the Hindenburg disaster. So, while I wouldn't call Hyrdogen utterly safe, it's probably not as dangerous as

  • Want to make a scarce resource even scarcer? Fritter it away in a monumental vanity project. Not only that, but large airships are mainly famous for crashing. That is because wind and lighter than air do not mix well. Does Sergey have any idea how much force can be exerted on a large object by an 80 knot gale? I think not.

    I hope this awful project dies the death it deserves.

  • "While there are no specs tied to the job listing, such a system would likely be powerful enough to cross oceans."

    Power is not the constraining factor in "crossing oceans". What's worse, ignorant reporting like this or /. reproducing it without knowing better?

  • After reading the title with "airship" and "hydrogen", I then scanned the first line of TFS. Autowrap cut it off at "planning to power a huge disaster" and I immediately agreed.

    BTW, several posters have gone off about wasting precious helium. Does anybody know what they're going on about?

  • It is my understanding that hydrogen is difficult to store. It will leak out of any container.

    Another problem is that making hydrogen uses more energy than it saves. Unless you use nuclear power, using hydrogen is going to cause a bigger carbon footprint.

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