AMD Shows Off Impressive Ryzen 5000 Mobile Processors and 3rd Gen Epyc Server Chips (venturebeat.com) 34
Advanced Micro Devices showed off some impressive Ryzen 5000 mobile processors today and teased the performance of its 3rd Gen Epyc server chips. From a report: Those chips are aimed at keeping AMD's performance lead over its rival Intel in the mobile and server markets. AMD CEO Lisa Su showed off the new chips in a keynote speech at CES 2021, the online-only tech trade show. AMD is launching its Ryzen 5000 Series mobile processors for gaming laptops and thin-and-light notebooks. These eight-core x86 chips are built with a 7-nanometer manufacturing process (where the circuits are 7 billionths of a meter apart). They are also based on the Zen3 design for processor cores, which can process instructions 19% faster per clock cycle than Zen2 cores.
The H-Series focuses on top performance in laptops for gamers and content creators, while the U-Series focuses on thin-and-light notebooks with great battery life. The chips have four to eight cores and they range in power consumption from 15 watts to 45 watts. AMD said the 5000 Series will be available in PCs in February, and we'll see more than 150 systems using it. That compares to 100 systems for the Ryzen 4000 Series and 70 for the Ryzen 3000.
The H-Series focuses on top performance in laptops for gamers and content creators, while the U-Series focuses on thin-and-light notebooks with great battery life. The chips have four to eight cores and they range in power consumption from 15 watts to 45 watts. AMD said the 5000 Series will be available in PCs in February, and we'll see more than 150 systems using it. That compares to 100 systems for the Ryzen 4000 Series and 70 for the Ryzen 3000.
the circuits are 7 billionths of a meter apart (Score:5, Informative)
Um, no. A "7 nanometer process" is a process in which the smallest planar dimension of the transistors is nominally 7 nanometers. Ostensibly. I say "nominally" because in modern processes there is substantially nothing that is at the process node length.
The design rules of the process typically place circuits much, much further apart than the process node length.
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How's that working out for you?
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What is that in football fields?
Well, since there are many types of football fields, and many parts of them to measure, it's difficult to give a definitive response. However, to a first approximation a typical football field is approximately 100 meters in length, so a physical feature of 7 nanometers is approximately 70 picofootballfields in length.
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A "7 nanometer process" is a process in which the smallest planar dimension of the transistors is nominally 7 nanometers.
Wrong, and you were modded up by a number of similarly ignorant people. It is widely understood that "7 nanometer" is a marketing term, not corresponding to any physical dimension of the circuitry.
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Wrong, and you were modded up by a number of similarly ignorant people. It is widely understood that "7 nanometer" is a marketing term, not corresponding to any physical dimension of the circuitry.
Yes, "7 nanometer" is a marketing term, not corresponding to any physical dimension of the circuitry. That is why you will note that the second and third sentences of the post read, "Ostensibly. I say "nominally" because in modern processes there is substantially nothing that is at the process node length."
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Yes, the qualifications are good. The first sentence however is not, it's misleading. There is currently no meaning at all to stated dimensions, other that being less than or equal to some previously announced process, again for marketing reasons. In particular, with multi-fin transistors even transistor dimension has lost its meaning. What do you measure? The width of a fin? Length? Spacing between fins? Distance between outside fins? Center to center or outside dimensions? So there is no such thing as a 7
AMD is really killing it as of lately (Score:5, Interesting)
I recently updated my travel (sigh...) laptop for a HP Envy x360 13-inch sporting a 8-core 4700U AMD CPU.
This machine was notably cheaper than any Intel offerings, runs as fast as my main desktop and it sips power. I can regularly get well over 8hs of battery life out of it, without even trying.
Holy ****, 8 hours? (Score:2)
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Yes - and again, this is without any special considerations. If i bothered to do some power management i'm pretty sure i could get even more battery life out of it.
This laptop has an integrated GPU (Radeon RX Vega 7, with 7 CUs), which performs great. HP currently does not offer AMD-based laptops with discrete graphics, as far as i know, but i was looking for an integrated solution anyway for battery life and compatibility issues. I dual boot Linux on it, and it runs just flawless.
You can actually game pret
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Confirmed. My Ryzen 4500U plays isometric games like Battletech very nicely in 1080p. I don't do any FPS stuff on that laptop so I can't make mention there. Doesn't match the Nvidia in my desktop but then again its not supposed to.
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I was shocked by how well stuff like Doom Eternal plays on that little machine.
Re: Holy ****, 8 hours? (Score:2)
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Pretty much the same as it is for Windows. It has some quirks, like HP not properly enabling some sleep states in the BIOS, but my experience is from Linux 90% of the time on it.
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What CPU is in your desktop? I'm curious what that comparison is.
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AMD Ryzen 7 3700x (8 core, 65w) - which is also pretty great, i might add.
AMD is making computing sexy again (Score:2)
After years of drought and only small iterations of what has been before, the previous Ryzen generation achieved something remarkable: I do not merely want to replace my old hardware with new hardware, but I want the new shiny things *just because*. And it's not just me, but also pretty much the same for all my IT friends.
I think the last time such collective excitement over new hardware generations happened was when the first core2duos hit the market, or maybe the first i-Processors. But it certainly has b
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Yeah I held off updating my i7 PC for a decade, other than yoinking a cheap 1060 into it.
But the Ryzen stuff is so great. I've updated to a game laptop with a GPU that on paper seems to be less performance than the 1060, but in practice, and likely due to the meaty CPU I'm getting consistently better frame rates. And this thing can sit on its battery all day before i need to plug it in again.
AMD have pulled off some dark magic.
Less marketing the chips, more making the chips. (Score:1)
I can't buy what you don't offer, AMD.
Re: Less marketing the chips, more making the chip (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sure the fab production lines will run faster if the CES both girls stop wasting time and go work in the factory.
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AMD can't do a whole lot about it. TSMC is backed up, making chips as fast as they can. There are a variety of factors in the way of TSMC ramping up production as as fast as the market wants. Though I have not been tracking it closely, I heard talk of a potential ingot-quality sand shortage recently. Covid has been a significant factor in gumming up the works. Adding new capacity is getting more conservative as the fab lines get more expensive. This creates significant lag. Somebody actually in the industry
But I still can't buy a 5900x (Score:1)
Maybe they should focus on manufacturing the products they have already released before promising more?
Re: But I still can't buy a 5900x (Score:3)
Intel just had a press release claiming their new CPU is marginally faster.
AMD is at a point now, where they can just whip out the prepared next generation right after, and go "...Nope.". :D
And after so many years of hardship and anticompetitive fire ... I don't blame them. :)
(Just don't get too cocky, AMD!)
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Intel parts run very hot, so while it may theoretically be slightly faster in single core performance with specific carefully selected tasks, in practice the laptop you buy with one is unlikely to be able to cool it enough to sustain those speeds.
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The entire industry is having capacity issues. Everybody is at 100%. If they could make more they would.
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So a viable product launch now consists of shipping a few thousand chips,
Running out,
Then shipping a few more a half-year or more later?
Hahaha.
NO.
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The existence of older chips is probably because those were in the supply chain already.
With a new release, it's a case of it all being "New production", so they have to filter through supply and then out to customers. If production is having issues and is the bottleneck, then this will simply mean that all production is going to be hit. Old and new. So yes, the new release is a small number, but it'll pick up over time.
The only other way forward is to simply keep churning out the old chips, and run in