Intel: 10nm Tiger Lake CPUs Will Be in 50 New Laptops Coming This Fall (venturebeat.com) 45
Intel took the wraps off its not-so-secret central processing units (CPUs) code-named Tiger Lake, built with a 10-nanometer manufacturing process. It may has well been called Tiger Leak. From a report: The 11th Generation Intel Core Processor models include the Intel Core i7-1185G7 chip, with a base 3GHz frequency that can be boosted to 4.8GHz. The Santa Clara, California-based company has dual-core and quad-core variants in the new family, which will be used in high-powered laptops coming this fall. Intel is also unveiling the Intel Xe 12th Gen integrated graphics processing unit (GPU), which replaces the Iris Plus integrated GPU. It has improved AI performance, Thunderbolt 4 input-output, and software optimizations. Intel said it has 20% better CPU performance and two times the graphics performance than the previous generation. With the integrated GPU, Intel said it can deliver frame rates in games that are two times faster than previous models. All told, there are nine new Tiger Lake chips. The chips are the top of the line for now as Intel faces severe competition from rival Advanced Micro Devices, which uses external producers such as TSMC to make its chips and is making historic market share gains. Intel normally makes its own chips, and it is rumored to be talking to TSMC for contract manufacturing, but that deal won't come in time for Tiger Lake. "We're leading the ecosystem forward to deliver new PC experiences," said Gregory Bryant, executive vice president of client computing at Intel, in a briefing.
Simple math (Score:1)
"With the integrated GPU, Intel said it can deliver frame rates in games that are two times faster than previous models"
2 times 0 still equals zero. Rysen silicone still kicks their ass for less money.
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AMD processors used to run hot compared to similarly performing Intel processors, but that is no longer the case. It's all in the TDP. Despite this, the reputation of AMD CPUs being heaters remains.
Re: At what cost? (Score:1)
Call me old, but I still remember Intel selling space heaters under the name "Pentium 4".
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its funny cause the last people to show up with an industrial chiller was intel ... and it tripped the breaker right in the middle of the show
now go home fanboi everyone has their pro's and con's
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My laptop has both a Nvida 1070 and Intel Integrated GPU. I actually sometimes disable the NVIDIA to save power.
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I am always eventually forced to disable mine. 3 out of 3 laptops, the NVIDIA graphics eventually died (I assume bad memory). Quickest died in 4 months (thanks 3 month warranty), longest was 3 years.
In each case disabling the video card in the bios made the computer usable again.
now the i-gpu can have meltdown like bugs! (Score:2)
now the i-gpu can have meltdown like bugs! All to keep up with AMD.
Just 50 laptops? (Score:5, Funny)
Thats got to be the smallest yield ever! They really should increase their yields and maybe include 50 different production models if they want a big christmas boom.
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That's going to be hell of a waiting list (Score:2, Funny)
There must be thousands of people already signed up for those 50 laptops. I'll have to wait for a second run of them.
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Why would there be more than 50 people wanting to order these? Maybe Intel gauged the demand accurately.
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25 people that wanted them. And 1000 people who plan on reselling them on ebay at double the price.
Who cares? (Score:2)
PC have reached peak speed. (Score:5, Interesting)
With some exceptions like CAD, and Top End Games. The PC that was new 10 years ago, can still function well with updated software doing modern things.
Last decade you can expect a 6 year useful life from your PC. The decade before that 4 years.
For Intel Cpu timelines, I have them broken out into functional stages.
8086 - 286 16bit CPU DOS games up to VGA.
386 - 486 32 bit CPU Complex DOS Games, Basic Windowing OS Support.
Pentium - Pentium V 32 bit CPU, Nearly fulling Windowing OS Support with multi-tasking.
Intel Core - Modern 64bit and Multiple CPU Cores. for parallel processing
The CPU which use to be the big indicator is now just a worker, where the GPU is the shining star.
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Sure, your 100W+ desktop CPU can still perform somewhat-competently as long as you specced at least 3-4GB of RAM (if you have a Bloomfield, you have triple channel DDR3! Yay!). In the laptop world, a 10-year-old laptop is going to be pretty awful to use with "updated software doing modern things".
Even Bloomfield and Gulftown are looking a little long in the tooth these days, though. Also, CAD? CAD is mostly single-threaded. Think 3D rendering, media encoding, stuff like that.
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In the laptop world, a 10-year-old laptop is going to be pretty awful to use with "updated software doing modern things".
Running windows and windows software, even a 20 year old Linux and certainly a 10 year old OS X box runs just fine.
Faster processors on a desktop have rarely any useful application, besides software development where you want the whole deployment environment as docker images or local virtual machines.
What is benefitting from faster processors you most certainly you are not running on your
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A lappie from 10 years ago was lucky to have 4 GB RAM. You gonna run Chrome on Win10 with that?
For real?
And the battery life would be hellaciously bad by modern standards.
No thanks.
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I don't run windows, which was clear from my previous post, or not?
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"Windows and windows software".
But hey whatever. At this point I doubt you're even talking about laptops anyway, which is exclusively the domain of TigerLake-U.
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We talked about "old laptops" :D and my old ones are just fine :D
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I've got a decade old laptop (very high end) which I use daily.
Still works great for many things. Its first gen i7 Q820 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and heavier web pages are beginning to be less zippy. It's fine for compiling things which aren't huge. I can even do some lightweight video editing (not 4k). I've done a bunch of cad on it a few years ago, both EDA and 3D (injection mould, a simple one). Nothing big, but it worked. Still would I presume. The SATA2 drives have plenty of space but aren't
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and Top End Games
I take it you don't play many games. The requirement wasn't that a PC was new 10 years ago. You very much needed a top of the line PC 10 years ago to even have a chance with normal games to say nothing of the top end. These days it's not uncommon to see the *minimum* system requirements be a GTX 900 series GPU or better for a modern game and they were only released in 2014.
10 years ago 4GB of RAM was common. That would be considered crippling on any computer running windows 10.
The CPU which use to be the big indicator is now just a worker, where the GPU is the shining star.
That is entirely workload depe
Re: PC have reached peak speed. (Score:1)
Bullshit. 4GB run Windows just fine. May be you've enabled all the crap like Cuntanal and MS spying on you. It's the applications that do things like store a bitfield in separate 64 bit integer fields, one bit per field, and only of they do not encode the whole thing in UTF8 and XML.
Do they still have security issues? (Score:5, Interesting)
Have any of the security issues been fixed? If not when will they be fixed?
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Allegedly, most of the security bugaboos that affect Skylake-based CPUs are quashed in Intel's newer designs like Willow Cove (TigerLake). Allegedly.
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The real question is how many new security flaws they've burned in from cutting corners to fix the old ones...
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That's generally not how it works. Intel introduced a bunch of security flaws into their CPUs and/or platforms chasing higher performance. Not by wiping out security flaws in their previous-gen products.
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Why would you fix a security issue that is irrelevant to 99% of you customers, and 100% of your mobile customers?
I'd be much more interested in AMD adopting Intel's method and giving up some necessary security for a speed boost.
But then I'm a crazy person who has windows on my house that someone could throw bricks through at any moment, so clearly I don't take security as seriously as most people.
Re: Do they still have security issues? (Score:1)
It is relevant to 100% of people 100% of the time. Of course, unless you are too fuckin ignorant and dumb to see that.
Have fun with your 100% guaranteed highly infected computer!
Moron.
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I don't know what I'd do if I didn't have someone to serve me my Whopper and fries.
Now, oh brilliant one, pray tell how the Spectre class of exploits will result in a "100% guaranteed highly infected computer"
Andy givith and Bill taketh away (Score:1)
"Width between circuits"? Um, no (Score:2)
"7nm" is just a brand name like 4G. It means little in reality. Even back in the 1980s when process names matched silicon feature size, "width between circuits" wouldn't be quite correct. Well, it would be correct if 1) by "between" is meant the gap between transistors and not the more conventional "pitch" (start of one transistor to the start of the next) and 2) the gap size between transistors exa
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Regardless of the quality of the OP's analogy/parallel, the reality is still that the "nm" numbers from the fabs are primarily branding of the process as opposed to explicitly adhering to some standard between the fabs.
Only 50 (Score:1)
Thought they would sell more laptops than that, no wonder intel doesn't seem to be in any rush if there's only going to be 50
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Any news on backdoor performance? (Score:2)
How's the performance of the hidden TCP/IP stack with full memory access? I don't want no Internet slowdowns while all my private data is being sent to the mothership.
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