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What the Heroin Industry Can Teach Us About Solar Power (bbc.com) 151

ljw1004 writes: Helmand Province in Afghanistan produces two thirds of the world's opium. Its opium production has more than doubled in the past eight years, due mostly to solar power. "Solar is by far the most significant technological change" in the region for decades, says Dr. Mansfield, author of the report (PDF). The first solar panels were introduced there in 2013. More recently, solar panel installations have doubled every year, and now stand at 67,000. In Lashkargah, the capital of Helmand Province, solar panels are stacked in the market in great piles three stories high. For an up-front cost of $5,000, farmers can buy panels and a pump to irrigate their fields, and then there are virtually no running costs. "All this water is making the desert bloom," says Richard Brittan, a former British soldier whose company, Alcis, specializes in satellite analysis of what he calls "complex environments."

$5,000 is a lot of money -- the average dowry is $7,000 -- but the panels pay for themselves within two years. Farmers used to rely on diesel, which was more costly, unreliable and adulterated, which led to frequent machinery breakdowns. This "is perhaps the purest example of capitalism on the planet. There are no subsidies here. Nobody is thinking about climate change -- or any other ethical consideration, for that matter. This is about small-scale entrepreneurs trying to make a profit. It is the story of how Afghan opium growers have switched to solar power, and significantly increased the world supply of heroin. What does this tell us about solar power? That is simple. The story of the revolution in Afghan heroin production shows us just how transformative solar power can be. Don't imagine this is some kind of benign 'green' technology. "Solar is getting so cheap that it is capable of changing the way we do things in fundamental ways and with consequences that can affect the entire world," reports the BBC. (Those consequences: far more opium in the world; water table dropping by 3m a year; and a major crisis brewing in 10-15 years when the water runs out, the land returns to desert, and 1.5 million people are forced to migrate.)

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What the Heroin Industry Can Teach Us About Solar Power

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  • by Armantamzarian ( 6609100 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @12:08AM (#60337893)
    Seems like an opportunity to hit up Shark Tanks for some series A funds.
  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @12:19AM (#60337905) Journal

    ... water table dropping by 3m a year; and a major crisis brewing in 10-15 years when the water runs out, the land returns to desert, and 1.5 million people are forced to migrate.

    (Imminent environmental catastrophe. Film at eleven.)

    Now that energy is getting cheap, if the water table gets low they can just deploy "air wells". Suck some water out of the air with a bit of energy, water the plants with it. They use it for their life cycles and put it back into the air. Round and round and the water table can recover at its own convenience.

    There are several ways to do this, with various amounts of energy input per unit water output. More efficient ways are being developed even as we post to and read from slashdot.

    High tech is like high explosives. If you still have a problem after its use, it's usually because you didn't use enough of it.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      I can't tell if you're serious or not. Hopefully not.

    • by nasch ( 598556 )

      Humidity is pretty low in Afghanistan during the warm summer months. I would be surprised if there were enough extractable water in the air to water much of anything.

      • I think the idea of the parent poster is that after 10-15 years, if you have pumped enough water for the water table to be menaced, that would mean there is now a lot more humidity generater by all this "bloom" that TFS mentions, i.e.: the desert of Afghanistan will not look that much deserty within a decade and you could start considering concentrating humidity from the air.

        I.e.: all the pumped water has to go somewhere (converting the desert into a grassland that grows poppy) and this is the somewhere whe

        • >I.e.: all the pumped water has to go somewhere

          What do you think plants are made out of? Mostly water and CO2,which have now been chemically converted to nice stable cellulose (plus sugars, opium, etc). If you compost it it will gradually be broken back down into water and CO2 by molds, but that can be a very slow process and tends to leave a lot of it as organic material in the soil.

          I don't know poppies well, but if they thrive in the desert they probably don't "exhale" a lot of water, and like you sa

        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Water condensation tech isn't going to improve dramatically. It's limited by the laws of thermodynamics.

        • by tragedy ( 27079 )

          It could potentially work if you can create a captive water cycle. That would mean building a lot of greenhouses and basically trapping all the water that evaporates away from the crops. Sometimes the solution to problems caused by technology really is more and better technology. I would suggest desalinating ocean water, but Afghanistan is land-locked, so they would need to source that through a neighboring country, which would leave them dependent on that country.

        • The only way to transform a landscape permanently is to plant woods.

          Regarding water, they could build pipelines into Himalaya, but ATM I think all those countries are still to busy with the aftermath of the colonizations and cold war.

          • by HiThere ( 15173 )

            The water of the Himalayas is already being contested over by India, China, Pakistan, etc.

            • Not really, most of it simply flows down rivers and then "is gone".

              With water management there is enough for everyone (and more).

          • I think you've forgotten plate tectonics.

            For certain, small, values of "permanently".

            • Well, I doubt plate tectonics can move Afganistan to a place where it became green.
              But it is not really impossible after all it bottom line only needs enough rain at the right time.

        • Meanwhile, gigantic, multi-segmented, non-chordatic, non-arthropodic organism fusing silicon-dioxide to create fragrant, hallucinogenic, consciousness increasing chewing gum, take over and the Bedouins ride them to victory against the infidels.

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        The relative humidity in a desert might be 25% during the day and 50% at night. That's why there can be dew in the early predawn hours, which some desert animals rely on to survive.

        There's not much water there, but it's there, and if you put energy in you can presumably recover some of it. Whether it's practical to recover enough to support agriculture is an entirely different question.

        • by kwerle ( 39371 )

          As someone who grew up in Southern California, 25-50% sounds really high.

          Today in Kabul it's 'sunny with a few clouds', high of 94F, and 11% humidity. That's closer to what I'd expect.

          That's just one tiny data point - but I do wonder where you got your 25-50% numbers.

          I think it's pretty hard (lots of energy) to pull moisture out of the air at 11% humidity.

          • by HiThere ( 15173 )

            It's probably correct, at some part of the night. Deserts can get pretty cold at night, and relative humidity is highly temperature sensitive.

        • Clear skies let a lot of energy to be dumped into space, which is why dew can form even at 50% humidity. There are some experimental thin-film techs that really good at passively dumpting heat into space. Even then, the thermodynamics aren't on your side. You have to dissipate a lot of heat to get any amount of water.

    • by Dutch Gun ( 899105 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @01:26AM (#60337959)

      What they really need is a droid that can speak the binary language of moisture vaporators.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Technology to extract moisture from the air, even at fairly low RH exists. The problem with this is what you extract is likely to be low in mineral content. If you water long enough with distilled water, you could leach a lot of minerals out of the soil. It would be the opposite of the problems you get when you use slightly saline well water. If the two technologies were equal in cost, they could alternate--salinate, rinse, salinate, rinse... It might be sustainable but the humidity to water tech is a l

      • >Technology to extract moisture from the air, even at fairly low RH exists

        And gold can be refined from sea water, but it's not profitable. Using that much of the available solar energy in a dry climate like Afghanistan will likely consume the sunlight needed by the crops.

      • >If you water long enough with distilled water, you could leach a lot of minerals out of the soil.

        To... where? Some water way sink below plant roots, but mostly in the desert you try to water lightly enough that the plants can "drink" it all before it sinks too deep. For distilled (or any other) water... you dissolve some of the minerals out of the soil, but when the water is absorbed the minerals either get left in the soil or absorbed into the plants. And any minerals absorbed into the plants get r

      • Rainwater is also low in mineral content. The sort of leaching that you're worried about takes thousands of years because nutrient ions tend to be bound to the surfaces or soil particles. Whereas saline irrigation can cause problems in a few years absent enough natural rainfall to drive out excess salts.

    • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @01:57AM (#60338011)

      Now that energy is getting cheap, if the water table gets low they can just deploy "air wells". Suck some water out of the air with a bit of energy, water the plants with it.

      The problem is energy expenditure. The basic thermodynamic laws require conducting away at least 2260 kJ per kilogram of water (latent heat of vaporization). I'd estimate that in Afghanistan conditions this can be done at about 200% efficiency with a heat pump, so let's round it to 1MJ per kilogram of water.

      1kWh is 3.6MJ, so a 1kW solar panel in optimal conditions will produce around 4 liters of water per hour. If we take the quoted $5000 price, this will work out to a 10kW system. So we're looking at just 40 liters per hour from a $5000 system.

      This is not enough for any real agriculture, by at least two orders of magnitude.

      • Do your figures include heat regeneration?
      • A always, no idea way americans always gets that wrong: this is not a law of thermodynamics but a chemical law, about evaporation :P pffft.

        • by Cyberax ( 705495 )
          Uhh... It's thermodynamics. By vaporizing a chemical you increase its entropy. To get the liquid water back you need to have some kind of a low-entropy reservoir. And it doesn't matter what kind: a cold part of a refrigerator or a chemical absorbent. You still will have to pay the entropy cost.
          • by Cyberax ( 705495 )
            Well, if you want to be pedantic, it's also called Hess's law in chemistry. But it's still a reformulation of basic thermodynamics laws.
    • by gosso920 ( 6330142 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @03:34AM (#60338093)
      Water? You mean, like from the toilet?
    • by rundgong ( 1575963 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @05:55AM (#60338267)

      ... water table dropping by 3m a year; and a major crisis brewing in 10-15 years when the water runs out, the land returns to desert, and 1.5 million people are forced to migrate.

      (Imminent environmental catastrophe. Film at eleven.)

      Now that energy is getting cheap, if the water table gets low they can just deploy "air wells". Suck some water out of the air with a bit of energy

      The first thing that is likely to happen is a drilling race to deepen the wells. Similar to what is happening with Pistachio farmers [npr.org] in California.

      Market forces provide incentive to use more water when wells run dry, and a few winners make a lot of money as the surrounding community suffers.

    • ... deploy "air wells" ...

      For low-humidity agriculture (AKA deserts), one solution was pumping sea water into a 800m tall sprinkler.

      ... you didn't use enough of it.

      We like to think of pollution as somebody else's problem, or the cost of doing business. There's little incentive to create 'green' technology.

      ... purest example of capitalism ...

      No, it's an example of eliminating the middle-man: Particularly those turning a good product into garbage, in the name of Profits.

    • "water table dropping by 3m a year; and a major crisis brewing in 10-15 years when the water runs out, the land returns to desert, and 1.5 million people are forced to migrate."

      It's ok, at that point it will be held to be conclusive proof that global warming is happening and we should all be taxed more to pay for (whatever is the new Solyndra) to "fix" it.

    • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

      If they're going to go to all this trouble, they should start pumping seawater into shallow inland basins. Let it evaporate. Sell the sea salt at extremely high prices as a boutique item to gullible Americans that think NaCl from seawater is any different than NaCl from a mine. Then, you'd have extra humidity at ground level for the "air wells" to work.

      • by cusco ( 717999 )

        Afghanistan is several hundred miles from any ocean.

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        If you're going to all that trouble, you might as well put the water trenches in a plastic tube, and capture the high humidity air to feed directly into your refrigerator/dehumidifier.

        But where do you get that "sea water"? It's not like you're dealing with a large organization here, this is lots of individual small farmers and a bunch of merchants. And they're doing something technically illegal, at least in most of the surrounding countries.

    • Energy isn't getting that cheap. And the amount of energy you have to remove from water vapor to get it to condense is fixed and constant.

  • by wildchild07770 ( 571383 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @12:45AM (#60337915)
    What about in 15 years when the world heroin supply dries up?
    • We insource again. Bring the jobs back home!

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Wall Street and the banksters will need to look for a new source of money to launder.

      When the Taliban shut down 90+ percent of the opium growing in Afghanistan (the only regions still growing it were our "allies" the Northern Warlords) Colombia and Mexico were quick to pick up the slack. Then Shrub invaded and made the country safe for opium growers again and every years since has been a new record for production.

  • and now mr burns can get the cops to bust solar homes

  • when the afghanistan opium trade had all but been stamped out by the taliban? Now there is more than there ever has been!
    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @04:10AM (#60338145)

      You might also notice how little islamist terrorism was going on in Iraq while Saddam was still there.

      Or, in other words, given the success of our war on terror and war on drugs, we should maybe declare a war on affordable healthcare...

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        On the face of it, there was little Islamic terrorism under Saddam, but now we know that his regime was being infiltrated by Islamic nutjobs. It was only a matter of time before they whacked him and had control of the entire state...at least until those other Islamic nutjobs in Iran decided to infiltrate because the Islamic nutjobs running the joint would have been the wrong kind of Islamic nutjobs for the Iranians.

      • That war on healthcare might actually work. Kill the current system, kill all the regulations which are just market barriers to competition, and prices will be much lower.
        • At least for those that don't need it, yes.

        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          Competition? In the insurance industry? You're joking, right? It's a cartel, they all compare prices to each other all the time, and adjust to the maximum the market can bear. Why would they undercut each other, when by acting cooperatively they can not only maximize their income but control the healthcare industry in its entirety? Why do you think the US has the highest medical insurance costs in the world? It certainly isn't because of the paper doily of regulation, which is only for looks. Every o

          • In the rest of the world we mostly have a healthy competition in the health sector. I don't really understand why you don't.
            We have high prices on new medication for the first 20 years until the patent runs out. Then many other companies produce the same medication for a very low price. These products are called generics. There are many companies in the world which produce pharmaceutical products, some specialized only in producing generics.
            No one in the world really understands your high prices and what
            • by cusco ( 717999 )

              Like I said, the insurance companies are a cartel that cooperates to set prices industry-wide. Additionally they take profits based on costs, not efficiency, so high costs and major inefficiencies lead to higher profits. If you get 10% profit on every transaction (don't remember the actual number now) do you think the industry is going to be happier if a procedure costs $100 or $2000?

      • Saddam was keeping the area stable. The only sad part is he had to use murderous tactics because its the only method that works over there. Ask anyone who lived in Iraq if life was better under Saddam, the answer is always yes.

        • They had managed to come together in a stable democracy - which we overthrew to install a puppet dictator that wouldn't cozy up to their Soviet neighbors during the World Wars.

      • Saddam was glorious, except to the Turks he gassed. Or anyone else with leadership ability, he KILLED them. Part of Iraq's problem is Saddam KILLING ANYONE with leadership ability. After he was removed, they had nobody to lead the country. Our state department clown car did not help. Or rule of Afghanistan, letting Opium farming flourish is a disgrace. We have NO MORAL HIGH GROUND when we allow this to happen, in the name of giving them a cash crop.
        • There is nothing wrong in farming opium and making heroine from it.
          What is wrong is to declare Heroine illegal in your country and as such feed the middle men an absurd profit. Or do you really think any of the farmers there is "rich"?

          We had a case in Germany 20 years ago in Stuttgart, they captured a high profile pusher who had heroine worth of $2,000,000 in a suitcase.

          So when the police president was interviewed and asked if he is proud about catching that guy, he answered: "Not really. Street price of He

      • we should maybe declare a war on affordable healthcare...

        The Republicans are waaaaay ahead of you...

    • when the afghanistan opium trade had all but been stamped out by the taliban? Now there is more than there ever has been!

      It wasn't stamped out. It was put on hold for one year. Literally the next year production picked right back up and maintained the curve, that one year aside.

  • by angularbanjo ( 1521611 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @01:27AM (#60337965)
    when they talk about "high" tech
  • My dad did a documentary about the region.

    They had an extensive set of canals there for 3000 years, that kept everything green and paradisaic!
    Until the Soviets and then Taliban destroyed it!
    People grew huge seedless watermelons there before we even heard of the fruit, let alone the seedlss variant.

    But with the dryness, growing crops became hard and expensive.
    And to survive, they chose to sell Heroin.
    My dad interviewed a cop there, who had special orders from the top, to burn all heroin fields. But he knew p

    • I don't think the irrigations systems are destroyed, but ppl lost the knowledge how to utilize them.

      Many deserts are actually covered with ancient underground irrigation systems, as in South America or Iran.

  • Nothing new.

    Photovoltaic panels have been a proven solution for off-grid applications for decades.

    But most of humanity lives densely enough to have a grid. And photovoltaics are still a nearly invisible slice in the grid energy pie.

    • And photovoltaics are still a nearly invisible slice in the grid energy pie.

      Doesn't look invisible to me... [wikipedia.org]

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Any lie good enough...

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        That duck curve article disproves your assertion. The Maximum power peak isn't affected (lowered) at all by the solar power sources. Since that peak occurs later in the day when solar power is no longer available. Depending on where you are, the primary cost of your power is capital costs. Financing the equipment needed to deliver power from source to customers. And solar doesn't appear to be lowering that at all. Furthermore, since solar is offsetting the midday energy delivery, that represents a reduction

        • Who said anything about the peak? You said that "photovoltaics are still a nearly invisible slice in the grid energy pie". I showed that as of 2018, more than half of California's electricity at midday comes from solar (overwhelmingly photovoltaics), and a significant fraction of the electricity averaged over the whole day. That's not "near invisible".

        • No, it does not disprove his assertion.

          Your point was that solar power is close to meaningless, while his wiki link clearly shows it is not.

  • Helmand Province in Afghanistan produces two thirds of the world's opium. Its opium production has more than doubled in the past eight years, due mostly to solar power

    The Taliban totally shutdown opium production until the US invaded to liberate Afghanistan from the Afghan people.

    The U.S. “War on Drugs” in Afghanistan [researchgate.net]
  • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @10:54AM (#60338971) Homepage Journal

    They are trying to argue that unsubsidized solar panels are paying for themselves in two years providing irrigation on opium farms in Afghanistan, but they are forgetting they are talking about an exceptionally high-profit crop, not corn or soybeans.

    They want you to think that this 'proves' solar panels (even when not subsided) are cheaper than the alternatives. The reality is that they are very effective for particular applications where power mains aren't available and used to create additional high-margin crops like opium.

  • American capitalism = bad..... middle east capitalism = good... Now we all know the score.

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