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Samsung Display To End All LCD Production By End 2020 (reuters.com) 72

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: South Korean panel maker Samsung Display has decided to end all of its production of liquid crystal display (LCD) panels in South Korea and China by end of this year, a spokesperson said on Tuesday. Samsung Display, a unit of South Korean tech giant Samsung Electronics Co Ltd, said in October that it suspended one of its two LCD production lines at home amid falling demand for LCD panels and a supply glut. 'We will supply LCD orders to our customers by end of this year without any issues', the company said in a statement.
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  • Supply glut, as in enough to supply all the VR headsets out there. ;-)

    • I don't give a shit about anything other than IPS (in-plane-switching).

      Wikipedia says that IPS is a version of LCD:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel [wikipedia.org]

      So is Samsung getting out of LCD going to have a noticeable effect on the IPS marketplace?

      Thanks in advance to anyone who comments about the future of IPS & who actually knows what they're talking about.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by fubarrr ( 884157 )

        No, it wouldn't. Samsung's QDOT IPS is pretty much an apex of LCD tech, and they are closing just few years after first sales.

        It means they weren't making much money.

        Them making a mass transition to OLED for large size panel makes sense here.

        You can be confident, you will not see a better screen in a laptop than the one in Samsung Ion 15 for quite some time, until they get mass market laptop oled panels going.



        • You started by saying: "No, it wouldn't."

          But then everything you said afterwards seemed to indicate that Samsung would be shutting down IPS production and that nothing quite so nice would be back on the market again for years.

          ???????????

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by fubarrr ( 884157 )

            Samsung haven't been a top dog in the LCD market for a long time. LGD took out large size panels, and Chinese small size ones.

            My point was that they weren't making much money and market share even when having the best tech.

  • LED is old tech... (Score:3)

    by I'm just joshin ( 633449 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @09:14AM (#59892174)

    LED is old tech, there's a glut, and their QLED displays are in higher demand, so are converting a factory to produce that.

    • Re:LED is old tech... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Kartu ( 1490911 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @09:20AM (#59892202)

      Their QLED is a misleading name for their LED tech, for people to mistake it with OLED.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Presumably QLED is going away too then, or maybe they will switch to using cheaper Chinese LCD panels instead of their own.

        Wouldn't it be nice if everything just moved to 8k OLED and we could have that for our PC monitors and TVs. Then there would be an even greater push towards dark mode because it saves energy on OLED.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Stormwatch ( 703920 )

          Fuck no, OLED is the one that should die and be replaced by QLED.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by neilhu ( 656756 )
            Agreed. I have an expensive LG OLED which I have used for 2 years. I now have burn-in with the images "CNN" and "Breaking News" on the bottom corners. In a couple more years, I might be able to laugh about it

            • Why the heck do you watch Cable News that much?

              I don't care if it is Fox News, CNN, MSNBC even CSPAN. You will get about the same amount of real content you get with your local TV 6:00 Local News and 6:30 World News broadcast. Yes 24 hours of news can fit in a 20-minute slot.

              I know when I was a kid, the New Broadcast was something that Responsible Adults watched. But being a news junky and watching enough news for the logo to burn into your TV shows you might have a problem.

            • Re:LED is old tech... (Score:4, Informative)

              by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:30AM (#59892468) Homepage Journal

              Contact LG for warranty support. Your TV should not have burned in with just 2 years use. Tests by independent reviewers confirm this.

              One thing that may help if leaving your TV on standby. During standby the TV recalibrates each pixel to eliminate burn-in effects. If you turn it off at the wall as soon as you finish watching, or leave it on all the time, the burn in can build up.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by stooo ( 2202012 )

              You should watch more diversely, else you get burn-in.

            • Then you have CNN on far too much and obviously have other problems.

              RTings have been running a burn-in test [rtings.com] on OLEDs continuously since 2017. The results are that burn-in occurs, but it takes a lot more viewing than usual for it to happen. Even their CNN test (the worst one as red degrades faster) took 24 weeks at 20hrs a day on max brightness to show up.

              and I know, Im making excuses for a technoloogy that we expect to display everything perfectly forever, but nothing is like that. If you watch CNN so much,

            • Re: (Score:1)

              by guruevi ( 827432 )

              That's not burn-in, you're just on the wrong channel.

          • Is QLED black good? To be honest when I look at QLED and OLED at the store I don't see a great difference, but thought at home after dark might be where OLED pulls ahead.

            • I think its a case of you won't notice unless you also buy an OLED and put them side by side and look really closely.

              Reviews are all about tiny differences as all the major technologies work.

          • Re:LED is old tech... (Score:4, Interesting)

            by fazig ( 2909523 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:14AM (#59892412)
            Depends on what definition of QLED you use. Because of shitty naming conventions and misleading marketing there can be some confusion here.
            There's transmissive and emissive QLED displays. The former is analogous to an LCD screen with LED backlights and the latter is analogous to OLED.

            If we're talking about the former replacing OLED, then I agree. If we're talking about emissive QLED I don't see a lot of improvement over OLED for displays. These displays still suffer from non uniform aging (depending on what is displayed on them) and therefore have burn-in effects. You don't want that in display technology.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            What's better about QLED? It seems to be inferior to OLED in almost every way.

            The only thing that really comes close to OLED is Sony's new dual layer LCD system, but it's so insanely power hungry and expensive that I doubt it will ever be used for more than PVMs.

            • Anything is better than OLED, burn-in makes it unacceptable.

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                Decent OLED doesn't have burn in issues. Check long term tests on YouTube, pushing them far harder than any normal use would with 23 hours a day of news channel or game with HUD on loop.

                I own a plasma, I'm familiar with the issue. It's not nearly as bad on OLED and I wouldn't hesitate to get one and play games on it.

          • I am surprised by how many people mistake QLED for OLED, even some technical people at the software company I work for. That's Samsung marketing at its best: Invent a highly misleading term and let the confusion spread (has anyone figured out what makes Samsung's "Super AMOLED" displays "Super" yet?). To be clear, QLED standards for Quantum-dot LED LCD, and is not an OLED technology but actually LCD. Being an LCD, it can do the usual local dimming tricks most of today's LCD TVs do but don't expect the black
            • (sorry, double post, I thought it had been eaten by my crappy mobile internets)

            • (has anyone figured out what makes Samsung's "Super AMOLED" displays "Super" yet?)

              I always just assumed they supported Super VGA mode (800x600)

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by fintux ( 798480 )
            Actually they both should be replaced by micro-LED. But from what I've compared especially in outside-of-the-store conditions, OLED does look better. The black level is better and the colors are brighter. What QLED does have is cheaper production costs which leads to cheaper screens, so it can have better price-to-quality ratio, but when you want the best quality at a reasonable pice, OLED is unchallenged (micro-LED is still way too expensive for a regular consumer). Burn-in for most people is not an issue,

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Melkman ( 82959 )

          In the article they specifically state that QLED is their way forward. So, no they will not kill that. Apparently Samsung really wants people to think that QLED isn't LCD which of course is.

          The investment for the next five years will be focused on converting one of its South Korean LCD lines into a facility to mass produce more advanced “quantum dot” screens.

        • Presumably QLED is going away too then

          No. QLEDs are newer technology nothing to do with LCDs and have far more in common with OLEDs than anything else on the market. It's not just a marketing term.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Kjella ( 173770 )

        Their QLED is a misleading name for their LED tech, for people to mistake it with OLED.

        And also several other forms of quantum dot monitors that are work in progress. QLED = LED + quantum dot enhancement layer. They've also been trying quantum dot color filters, but that hasn't materialized yet. The holy grail is emissive quantum dots (AMQLED is one possible abbreviation but it's not settled), but that's also on the prototype level. And because the QD means different things you also have QD-OLED prototypes.

        I have a 2019 model QLED, it's not even the top of the range and I'm happy with the pic

      • I am surprised by how many people confuse QLED and OLED, even some highly technical people at the software company I work for. That's Samsung marketing for you: Invent a purposely misleading term and watch the confusion spread (has anyone figured out what the "Super" in their "Super AMOLED" displays means yet?). Just to be clear: QLED stands for Quantum-dot LED LCD, and it's not an OLED technology but LCD. Being an LCD, it can do the usual local-dimming tricks modern direct-lit LED displays can do, but you

      • There's nothing misleading about QLED. The tech from Quantum-dot LEDs are fundamentally different from other LEDs and the technology being researched called QLED had that name long before either QLED or OLED became a marketable term (both were actively being researched 20 years ago in parallel).

        People shouldn't worry about mistaking them. They fundamentally are very similar in performance and nothing to do with LEDs or LCDs of the past. They aren't getting a shitty product due to misleading marketing.

    • To my understanding, QLED still uses TN LCD panels, which have been around a long time and have been typical for TVs. So it doesn't seem like they are talking about converting factories to produce those.

      • The early QLED screens were QDCFs over an LCD screen. Their current ones are actual Quantum-dot LEDs. They share far more in common with OLEDs than LCDs.

    • The terminology in the article is wrong. They are still making LCDs.

      "LED" and "QLED" are the lighting technology being used. They all still use LCDs to control each pixel. The Q stands for Quantum dots which is simply a filter they put on the LED to get a better color spectrum out of it. "LED" and "QLED" displays are still just LCD displays. They old "LCD" displays were the same thing but with a florescent backlight. Mini LEDs are also LCD displays with an array of small LED backlights
      The only TVs so
  • It's surprising how cheap TVs are. A no-name 50" 4k LCD is $270. It seems sort of crazy for an object that large.

    I've been holding out for a 50" OLED for $1500 for several years - I just checked and for the first time we are there. But now $1500 seems like a lot compared to under $500 for an LCD.

    • Re:So competitive (Score:5, Funny)

      by olsmeister ( 1488789 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @09:40AM (#59892284)
      $1500 is really too much. That's like an entire pallet of toilet paper.

    • Just imagine, you hold out several years for a fancy display... that gets burn-in after a few months of use.

    • I think this is probably the reason why Samsung is dialing up its LCD production.
      TVs are exceeding their ability for broadcast and affordable streaming.
      The Jump from B&W to Color was a big deal, and people could really see the difference.
      The Jump from Standard to HD 720P was a big deal and people could really see the difference.
      Most of us jumped on the HD Bandwagon after 1080P, but most couldn't tell the difference between 720 and 1080 unless both were side by side.
      4k+ people are upgrading to mostly bec

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        I've noticed 4k makes a huge difference in a monitor. When I got a Mac notebook with retina display it made the high end Dell IPS HD displays I had at work at the time look like crap. So I bought a 4k IPS monitor for home, which is beautiful.

        A friend has a 4k TV. It's nice and all, but, at least not side by side, not really that noticeable an improvement over my ten year old 1080P TV.

        • The only reason I would really want a 4k TV is for split-screen gaming with my son, sitting about 4 feet from the TV.

          But it seemed like the last gen of consoles couldn't really do 4k and rarely supported split-screen anyways. Hoping the next gen will really do 4k but I'm afraid split-screen isn't really coming back.

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    • I got a 55" OLED for 900 (LG E8) last year. Just look for newegg sales.

  • Makes no sense. (Score:5, Informative)

    by msauve ( 701917 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @09:20AM (#59892206)
    >The investment for the next five years will be focused on converting one of its South Korean LCD lines into a facility to mass produce more advanced âoequantum dotâ screens.

    "Quantum dot" screens are simply one type of LCD. It's not like they're going all in on OLED, or back to plasma, or getting out of the business.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Pimpy ( 143938 )

      Yes, I thought the same. Getting out of the display business seemed like a big change in direction for the company, but they've simply decided to ramp down a product line seeing reduced demand in order to focus on a new type of display technology.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by EvilSS ( 557649 )

      >The investment for the next five years will be focused on converting one of its South Korean LCD lines into a facility to mass produce more advanced âoequantum dotâ screens. "Quantum dot" screens are simply one type of LCD. It's not like they're going all in on OLED, or back to plasma, or getting out of the business.

      They currently are, but the end-game is to eliminate the LCD layer and backlight, replacing it with electroluminescent quantum dot nanoparticles. This would be similar to micro-led and OLED, with the individual pixels being self illuminating. One intermediate Samsung has been working on is QD-OLED, using a OLED layer of all blue pixels to excite the quantum dots for red and green, with blue just passing through.

    • Going strictly by the terminology (hard to figure out what's right since it's a reuters article, meaning it's probably been filtered through the mind of a reporter who doesn't understand tech),
      • LCD = LCD panel with a CCFL backlight
      • LED = LCD panel with a LED backlight
      • QLED = LCD panel with a LED backlight and quantum dots to enhance color
      • OLED = organic LED panel

      So maybe they were still manufacturing CCFL backlight LCDs, and this announcement means that's going to cease? TFA says LG also says they're go

    • "Quantum dot" screens are simply one type of LCD.

      False... err partially. Quantum Dot screens are a type of LED screen. What you're talking about is technically QDCF where you use a quantum dot colour filter over a standard LCD panel. True QLEDs however share a lot in common with OLEDs in that each individual pixel is an electroluminescent quantum dot as part of giant matrix panel.

      Samsung unfortunately has shat the bed here by muddying the marketing. As far as I know they've had the latter on display, and they are investing billions in building factories f

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by msauve ( 701917 )
        >True QLEDs however share a lot in common with OLEDs in that each individual pixel is an electroluminescent quantum dot as part of giant matrix panel.

        Oh, it's "no true Scotsman, is it?"

        Bullshit. What Samsung sells as QLED is an LCD panel with an LED backlight. The only difference is that while older LCD panels use a subtractive color filter to produce RGB, QLEDs use quantum dots to create the colors. The lighting of the pixels are NOT individually controlled as with OLED, individual pixels are still a

  • LCD vs LED vs QLED vs... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by enriquevagu ( 1026480 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @09:23AM (#59892214)

    I wonder what they are exactly stopping production.

    I would think about panels for LCD TVs, but LED TVs employ the same LCD panel with LED backlighting. Are these going to be stopped too, to focus entirely on the QLED series and other new technologies?

    QLED are also pretty similar to LCD and LED, only with the quantum point that is excited to generate the basic colours... Are these going to be stopped, to focus on microLEDs [wikipedia.org], for example?

    • 2 reasons:
      1, Because the world economy is going to be a shit show for at least a year (as well as supply chain reliability and pre-virus costs)
      2. OLED is better and what they where going to start producing in two years anyway.

      • 3. OLED has built in obsolescence in the form of burn in. (profit!!)
      • But from what I know TVs are moving away from OLED because of multiple reasons. One of the reasons is that only LG makes the OLED displays so Samsung Display can’t just start making them without some sort of partnership with LG. The other reason is that OLED cannot meet the 4K HDR standard when it comes to nits and avoid exacerbating the OLED burn-in problem.
        • Hold on so your saying that my samsung c7v 4k Oled hdr tv (with dolby vision) does not satisfy 4k hds standards hmm how did samsung (well lg since they produce the panel) get certified for the dolby visoin logo, eiter Iâ(TM)m sseing ilegal use ut logos or your statement does not hold up

  • They see the writing on the wall (Score:3, Funny)

    by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @12:22PM (#59892908)

    Since Foxconn's new LCD megafactory will soon make Wisconsin the epicenter of world LCD production, Samsung is wisely stepping aside to make way for the new overlords of the LCD market.

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