AMD Launches Ryzen 4000 Series Mobile CPUs With Major Performance Lift Claims (hothardware.com) 49
MojoKid writes: Though Ryzen 4000 Series laptop processors aren't available just yet, some of AMD's partners are going to begin taking pre-orders for notebooks soon. As such, AMD is lifting the veil on additional details and the architectural enhancements that make Ryzen 4000 Series AMD's strongest mobile processor line-up to date. AMD Ryzen 4000 series CPUs are based on the Zen 2 architecture, similar to the current Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors. AMD is touting an approximate 25% IPC increase versus Zen 1-based mobile parts, but there are additional benefits that boost performance and efficiency throughout the chips as well. These are monolithic SoCs, with up to 8-cores / 16-threads, that are manufactured on TSMC's 7nm node. AMD is claiming 20% lower SoC power, 2X the perf-per-watt, 5X faster state switching, and an approximate 3.4X improvement in relative power efficiency, in comparison to its mobile platform from 2015. AMD is claiming superior single-thread CPU performance versus current-generation Intel mobile processors and significantly better multi-threaded and graphics performance versus Intel, thanks to the increased core / thread counts and integrated Vega-based GPU of its Ryzen 4000 series. Battery life performance is claimed be strong as well, due to architectural enhancements for power optimization throughout the Ryzen 4000 design. AMD Ryzen 4000 Series laptops should be shipping in market sometime in the next month or so.
no money left for luxuries, now (Score:5, Funny)
would like to consider an amd 4000 chip - but - ... spent all my money on hand sanitizer and toilet paper.
(seriously, I did blow a lot on supplies that I would not have thought I would want or need; and none of them even came close to computers or anything like that.)
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(I always have 6 months of general supplies, however now I feel like I'm behind everyone else's 6 year stash.)
My job uses laptops for everything (Score:2)
By the time they're in stores (Score:2)
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Re: no money left for luxuries, now (Score:1)
Nice (Score:2)
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My guess is they're all going in to garbage notebooks with big tiddie demon chicks as brand mascots. I'll be thrilled if the next series of Thinkpad T or W can use one, and if these get the support for real working content creator machines instead of born to die gaming systems, but that seems to be the route that AMD always ends up on.
I hope it's different this time.
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What's the difference between content creation machines and gaming machines? They both need all the same stuff.
Re:Nice (Score:4, Informative)
Mostly quality control, I think. It's about the same thing as the difference between corporate fleet notebooks and the Aspires, Pavilions and Inspirons you find at a Walmart.
Gaming systems in particular tend to spec finicky performance parts that die within hours or days of when the cooling systems on the unit drop below whatever design threshold it takes for the discrete GPU to flame out. Gaming hardware is kind of like owning a sports car. That shit just breaks all the time because performance is job #1. I mostly think gaming and notebooks are at odds with one another.
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I mostly think gaming and notebooks are at odds with one another.
That is because you appear to have common sense.
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There are better solutions for portable gaming, like Geforce Now. I've seen enough gaming notebooks die over the last dozen years to know that a four year old laptop with an upper-tier gaming GPU is about as common as an ice cube in a desert.
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I live in the USA, you insensitive clod! Only one place I've ever lived has ever had a decent internet connection for its time (@home... Back when 6 Mbps was a lot.) GeForce now is a total non-starter.
Re: Nice (Score:1)
There are better solutions for portable gaming, like Geforce Now.
Now that's funny.
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After my HP Elitebook with Quadro graphics died and I had to spend over 24 hours to get a replacement even though it was only two years into a three year warranty I'm skeptical that so-called professional laptops are built any better than anything else.
Except maybe Fujitsu, my lady bought a T900 on my advice because she wanted Wacom built in and she's abused it and it's still held up. I swapped in a SSD and have replaced the cooling fan a couple times and it's still decent. But it only has old Intel graphic
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Gaming systems in particular tend to spec finicky performance parts that die within hours or days of when the cooling systems on the unit drop below whatever design threshold it takes for the discrete GPU to flame out
What kind of garbage from the 00s is that? Most GPUs will continue to run even if you take the cooling system off completely. Thermal throttling and thermal management are a thing done by all modern hardware. Gaming rigs haven't been either flakey, born to die, or sensitive for well over 10 years, and CPUs for even longer than that. Better still those "content creation" systems (by this you mean what, vendor reference cards?) have sub par on the edge cooling as it is with most stock standard GPUs running ho
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I think you misunderstand the needs of both. For gaming machines, you just need a good GPU and an SSD, CPU-wise you can get away with the sale-bin at WalMart, as long as you can plug a Ti2080 or so in it and it has decent single-core performance.
For content creation you're mostly looking at high speed memory and high speed interconnects between your storage arrays, your GPU, your CPU and your network.
You probably want ECC memory and you're also looking for specific optimizations for CPU's and multicore in m
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The MMO's I play are very CPU bound.
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That would be against the covenant of Monster Energy, Doritos Nacho Extreme and PC hardware with weird RGB accent lights. Those of the faith say "Big Tiddie Demon Chicks."
Makes me feel bad for the gamers who like dudes though.
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You can put on a Ricardo sticker.
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"PC equivalent" ... (Score:2)
Seriously?? On Slashdot??
Do you think Linux is not a personal computer OS or a Mac is not a personal computer? Or what drugs have you been taking.
Seriously, go on, I'd love to hear you wind and twist and explain yourself out of that!
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That might have been in the past, but now bigger players are picking up Ryzen chips and have been for the last year. HP's got ultrabooks, even Microsoft has a Surface Book model with a Ryzen:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15008/the-microsoft-surface-laptop-3-15-inch-review
But, surprise surprise, when you get into a decent high end model, you'll pay higher end prices now as AMD's chips aren't the budget choice any more for these manufacturers. Expect to pay accordingly.
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What's wrong with the Ryzen powered T495 and T495s? They seem like pretty serious creator/business laptops. Usual Thinkpad build quality and features, high end Ryzen 7 CPU, Vega graphics.
Presumably they will be updated to the new Ryzen parts in due course.
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Even last year's Thinkpads had 3xxx Ryzens (the xx95 ones) but this years line-up will have Ryzen 4xxxx CPUs (it was annoncoud that the X13, T14, T14s will have them and also the bastard child L14 and L15 - no word on Ws though).
Re: Nice (Score:1)
I hope it's different this time.
It definitely is; Intel spread their cheeks wide enough that AMD's going to drive their truck up their ass with so much room to spare that the ass-pubes won't even brush against the mirrors. However, if these iGPU SOC's only offer a single memory channel, AMD can stick it up their own ass.
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These are the first AMD parts to directly compete (and soundly beat in multi-core performance) the high end mobile Intel parts, so I bet we'll see some nice laptops with them.
Lift Claims? (Score:2)
Now has an underwire to lift and separate!
Who's taking preorders on SFFs with these CPUs? (Score:2)
I want a low power SFF. I don't really want a laptop, I use a tablet for mobile computing.
I need either decent graphics or a PCI-E slot.
Just get a thunderbolt connector (Score:2)
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I don't want an external GPU, I want it in the box. Space is a consideration because I want to use it in an RV.
Maybe I should just go ahead and get a laptop but they are a maintenance nightmare these days.
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You could build a mini-ITX box then. That seems to be the smallest form factor that is reasonably off-the-shelf, reasonably easy to access and maintain, reasonably priced, and smaller than a trashcan Mac Pro. Or the one-slot wider variant that lets you NOT turn the video card sideways to cram it in the case (since they're all two-slot coolers) but I can't remember the name. Aside from being space-limited and perhaps thermally limited, you can pack pretty much whatever you want in there.
Competition (Score:1)
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Even if the entire "article" read like a press release.
One unmentioned advantage of AMD at the moment is that they have been much less vulnerable to the various security issues which have arisen in the last 2-3 years, the ones where mitigation causes the machine to run significantly slower. The newest Intel processors may be immune so far but I'm rather expecting history to repeat itself here.
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Vulnerability Itlb multihit: KVM: Mitigation: Split huge pages
Vulnerability L1tf: Not affected
Vulnerability Mds: Not affected
Vulnerability Meltdown: Not affected
Vulnerability Spec store bypass: Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
Vulnerability Spectre v1: Mitigation; usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
Vulnerability Spectre v2: Mitigation; Enhanced IBRS, IBPB conditional, RSB filling
Vulnerability Tsx async abort: Mitigation; TSX disabled
Both sysbench and geekbench 4 and 5 show no measurable slowdown with mitigations=off vs on.
So ya, it appears that newer procs seem to be doing OK.
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great improvements (Score:3)
Wow! Considering the previous generation of Zen mobile APUs, that's fabulous!
in comparison to its mobile platform from 2015.
Oh, okay. Not terrible then....
Pardon my lack of enthusiasm, I do appreciate the improvements, but comparing to the lamest duck of the last 5 years to look good...? Anyway, my last 2 APUs were AMD, and if I were to need a laptop, I'd go for one of these. So keep it up! Just drop the marketing stupidity.
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but comparing to the lamest duck of the last 5 years to look good...?
Not comparing it to the lamest duck as much as their own duck. AMD's mobile processors have been lacklustre for years, and in the past 5 years they've really only focused on improving the desktop.
Re: great improvements (Score:2)
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Geekbench scores are leaked for the 4700H, and while my i9-9980HK bats about +16% on single-core, the multi-core performance of the 4700H is about +14% higher than my i9.
Which is bizarre, because they both have the same physical and logical core counts. All I can figure is the much better memory bandwidth of the AMD part allows it to saturate memory better in non-cache-coherent tests across multiple cores.
Add in the Vega IGP vs. the Intel IGP (not that
The IT technology market is booming. (Score:1)
Does anyone know about AMD's numbering? (Score:2)
AMD has introduced quite a bit of confusion in the market around their mobile processors and APU processors. Why are they marketed as 3000 series when they have Zen+ for mobile and APUs, whereas desktop 3000 series are Zen2? Why do they continue this now? There's speculation AMD will announce 4000 series desktop processors later this year with the next generation of Zen (they've previously announced increased cadence in generation changes), which will continue to confuse things going forward.
Why AMD? Don't
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For anyone here the numbering is even more useless because we'll actually do a thorough amount of research on the components we buy. It's all of the detailed technical specifications that are important and what number someone wants to stick on that doesn't change anything.
If it were up to me
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The numbering systems are generally meaningless to most consumers. About all they get out of it is bigger number is better.
Yes and that is perfectly consistent with the numbering schemes within AMD's desktop processors:
1xxx first gen Zen, 2xxx second gen Zen+, 3xxx 3rd Gen Zen.
The numbers following the 1 2 and 3 get bigger and bigger the beefier the chip get.
It is just bizarre that the APU and Mobile chips don't follow this pattern.
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The desktop chips don't always either. I think it might be the Chinese market Ryzen 5 3550 that is really a rebadged Zen+ part (I think they were 2600 series before), but AMD is not above inserting mediocre product lines clandestinely into reputable brands on the desktop. They just generally wait until they have an actual failure to meet plan before resorting to these tactics. If they hit their marks, they don't pull from this bag of tricks (unlike Intel, which aggressively obfuscates with its product namin
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The reason is that the APUs are always a generations behind. From what I understand, this is that the process is cost reduced by the time these processors are launched since they are aimed at a more budget-oriented market.