GM Resurrects Hummer As an All-Electric 'Super Truck' With 1,000 Horsepower (cnbc.com) 127
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: General Motors is resurrecting the Hummer, best known as a gas-guzzling, military-style SUV, as an all-electric "super truck" with massive horsepower, acceleration and torque. The Detroit automaker confirmed the plans Thursday and released three online teaser videos for the "GMC Hummer EV" pickup ahead of a 30-second Super Bowl ad for the vehicle featuring NBA star LeBron James. The spot is scheduled to air during the second quarter of Sunday's game.
The Hummer EV pickup, according to GM, will feature 1,000 horsepower; 0 to 60 mph acceleration of three seconds; and 11,500 pound feet of torque. It didn't announce a price. The Hummer EV pickup is expected to go into production in the fall of 2021 at a plant in Detroit, followed by sales starting toward the end of the year. The teaser videos detail the specifications and preview the front of the pickup, which features a new iteration of Hummer's well-known slotted grille with "HUMMER" backlit across the front of the truck.
The Hummer EV pickup, according to GM, will feature 1,000 horsepower; 0 to 60 mph acceleration of three seconds; and 11,500 pound feet of torque. It didn't announce a price. The Hummer EV pickup is expected to go into production in the fall of 2021 at a plant in Detroit, followed by sales starting toward the end of the year. The teaser videos detail the specifications and preview the front of the pickup, which features a new iteration of Hummer's well-known slotted grille with "HUMMER" backlit across the front of the truck.
When will it end? (Score:2)
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Rivian has some interesting pickup designs, and I like their idea of putting the batteries way down low in the vehicle for a lower center of gravity.
If you look at the battery packs of EVs, they all keep their batteries low down. Tesla's cars, the Nissan LEAF, even the Volt exemplify this. What's cool about Rivian is that they've made generic "skateboards" that contain the batteries and wheels that can be generic components to a wider range of cars, and this should help economies of scale kick in on the most expensive components of an EV.
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Yeah, I'm sure GM has no idea how to build a vehicle. Only Elon with his vast experience can build the ugliest truck in the universe.
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Re:the worst part of the hummer wasnt the gas. (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, but ... your four-year old kids will think you're the coolest dad in the universe if you buy one to drive them to school!
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The worst part was the second generation (Score:2)
I mostly saw skeezy salespeople driving them to impress people who I truly believe the world would be better off had they not been impressed by poorly built ersatz military vehicle.
Re: The worst part was the second generation (Score:2)
Bronco was Ford so I doubt GM would use that. Probably Tahoe. We had an H3 for a while, and honestly I didnt really like driving it because I could never see anything out that back window. It was already tiny and the spare tire covered up even more of it. My sister ended up taking it when she went off to college.
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How practical is the Hummer? The Cybertruck looks like it is designed to appeal to people who don't need a truck regularly, i.e. it's not all that practical as a truck but gets the job done on those odd occasions when you need it.
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Re: the worst part of the hummer wasnt the gas. (Score:2)
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Around here if there's a family with more than one vehicle then chances are at least one will be a truck. Why? Lots of reasons.
One reason to have a truck around here, hills and snow. A slippery hill with front wheel drive can become impassible. If the snow is heavy the the low clearance of a car can mean the snow is just getting plowed into a mound in front of the car by the bumper. I heard all the reasons on why getting a truck for winter travel is stupid and I'll say that unless you've lived it then
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One reason to have a truck around here, hills and snow. A slippery hill with front wheel drive can become impassible.
Then buy a fucking Subaru.
Re:the worst part of the hummer wasnt the gas. (Score:4, Insightful)
it was the outrageous performance sacrifices you had to make to own the ultimate suburban assault vehicle,
There were multiple models and revisions of three different vehicles (H1, H2, H3) I see you are comparing, in some cases, the H1 with the H2, but no mention of the H3. Are you making blanket statements about all the revisions of every model? If you are, you are taking every fault of every model and applying them to every vehicle they produced, which is a bit dishonest.
Even if you could triple the mileage, without major improvements to the design, this things getting crushed by cybertruck.
You honestly think they are going to retool a factory to build a 20-year old chassis and just dropping an electric engine in it? It's going to be a new chassis based on a contemporary truck design.
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Both 5-cylinder engines in the H3 got phenomenal mileage for an SUV, and it had off-road capabilities that did not exist on other vehicles in the class.
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so you're assuming it will be an H2 with an electric conversion...and this gets modded informative?
Wonder if you ever drove an H2? It wasn't "much larger" than a Tahoe, it was derived from one. Sucked? Sure, but not like you say, and of course, it bears no relation to a future EV other than the name and parent company.
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> GM's stock brakes were off the Chevy Tahoe
That sounds borderline criminal. Not even a 2500?
> this things getting crushed by cybertruck
As it deserves to be. I'll wager the new Hummer will start at $79K for dual-axel power. Maybe FWD at $6K less.
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Indeed.
Plus they apparently don't know the price they'll be selling it at, at some point in the future, possibly 2020.
They can't tell the range, meaning they have no clue of actual batteries they'll be using.
There's no mention of features - i.e. they literally have nothing to offer up as a reason why one should purchase it instead of a Tesla.
Hell, they can't even push the "it's big, mean and ugly" (i.e. manly) button compared to Tesla.
Besides, paying Michael Bay to put it in a movie again, what DO they have
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which in most cases was purchased with a generous guzzler tax loophole provided by the government to anything that qualified as a small business.
You have that backwards. Most of these vehicles were not bought by small businesses.
It's mostly silly, and that's okay (Score:5, Insightful)
The electric Hummer, like Tesla's Cybertruck, is 15% utility vehicle and 85% publicity stunt -- and that's okay. They'll both get a lot of attention and sell a modest number of units -- but in doing so they will help spread the idea of electric vehicles as a modern and desirable form of transportation, and help more people understand their strengths, weaknesses, and use-cases relative to traditional gas engines. And that's a good thing.
Re:It's mostly silly, and that's okay (Score:5, Interesting)
The electric Hummer, like Tesla's Cybertruck, is 15% utility vehicle and 85% publicity stunt -- and that's okay.
The Tesla will look/drive like a space ship, it'll sell a LOT.
This Hummer? Not so much. The bosses at GM are too conservative/old school to let the designers go nuts and Tesla is years ahead in terms of software.
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The electric Hummer, like Tesla's Cybertruck, is 15% utility vehicle and 85% publicity stunt -- and that's okay.
The Tesla will look/drive like a space ship, it'll sell a LOT.
This Hummer? Not so much. The bosses at GM are too conservative/old school to let the designers go nuts and Tesla is years ahead in terms of software.
The Hummer appeals to a very different buyer group who would want an electric truck that looks like a truck, not an escapee from a sci fi movie. The Tesla aims for the I want something cool but don’t use a truck daily.
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Yep. The Hummer H3 was definitely bought by people who wanted a work vehicle, not something that screams "look at me!"
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>The Hummer appeals to a very different buyer group who would want an electric truck that looks like a truck
What "looks like a truck" is what trucks look like at the time.
The faceted body styles will be coming out from all the truck vendors in a few years, once they've seen their 'old style' truck sales drop off a cliff.
Re: It's mostly silly, and that's okay (Score:2)
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The cybertruck will sell to a certain small age bracket. It will not become a commonly seen vehicle.
Wanna bet? I'll take your money...
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Yeah - no.
I liked it at first sight. My wife said it's ugly.
Two weeks later, my wife likes it and wants one.
If my wife wants one, then the WAF [wikipedia.org] is strong with this one and manly men with small penises will have no option but to get one.
So a used Tacoma for immediate needs (moving stuff for a business) and a dystopian future cybertruck when we have the case together.
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In our case we have a bunch of stuff to haul to and from trade shows. A truck is a viable solution and commercial vans suck more.
I know buying a truck for actual legitimate needs is not de rigueur around here, but it is what it is.
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For hauling stuff to and from trade shows you can't beat a sprinter. Preferably an 06, or a 19. The 06 is most reliable and has great mileage. The 19 is more fiddly but you can get even better mileage if you get the 4 cyl with the 7 speed. If you need more cargo space then you get a box truck. Either way it's better to have the stuff inside a box where you don't have to tarp it. There are other vans but they all suck even more than a sprinter.
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We ended up with a 2015 Transit Connect with long wheel base. Big enough for the purpose and no bigger. We found it yesterday in a used lot. Drives like a car.
The real limit is the length of display gridwall. The product boxes up pretty tightly. We could fit it all in the back of a Mazda 5 with the seats removed, but it's a complete arse to pack it in and an idiot in a chevy van totaled the Mazda last month by driving his truck into the back of it. It has a good 50% more space in the back (than the Mazda) b
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Where is this Damnation Alley to write about? Its name isn't selling itself.
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Rivian already has test units on the track with 4 motors, while the best a cybertruck can do is 3 motors so Tesla is already behind the curve in someways.
I'm not even going to consider any EV with less than 5 motors.
i would rather have an old Willy's Jeep (Score:4, Interesting)
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The actual Humvee only has 190HP, 380 ft/lb of torque and it weighs 6000 pounds. It's terrible as a highway cruiser.
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"You donâ(TM)t need much horsepower at all for off roading,-
Not for rock crawling, no. But you do need lots of horsepower to get up loose steep hills.
With that said, my goal is to put my om617 and unimog 406 axles in/on an older, lightweight Jeep. That engine only has 120hp. And increasing it substantially is expensive. I just want the mileage, simplicity, and reliability. I don't need to be in the ultimate off-road challenge or whatever.
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"You donâ(TM)t need much horsepower at all for off roading,-
Not for rock crawling, no. But you do need lots of horsepower to get up loose steep hills.
Not for rock crawling, not for muddng, not for stream fording, not for blazing trails, not for sand dunes, not for regular hill climbing. But yes, for loose material on steep slopes that are extremely long and require a continuous burnout yea, then you do. For the kinds of off-roading people are likely to do in non-thrill seeking utility endeavors or outright racing, like hunting or just needing access to an area, you really don’t need more than modest power.
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Heh. Every once in a long while I rewatch M.A.S.H. and it makes me want something based off one of those old things. They would probably make fantastic kit cars with modern components, though probably would have to stay far away from highways.
You can buy something like that: https://jalopnik.com/the-mahin... [jalopnik.com]
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Me too but the lack of any safety features killed that daydream. Too many idiots out there.
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one of those army issue Jeeps with the 4 cylinder engine's that was first developed during WW2, i bet if a new 4x4 jeep with roughly those specs but built with new methods and modern specs & technology it would be an awesome and economical vehicle https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Until you roll it in a J turn. The Army had driver training so driver’s wouldn’t roll the in sharp turns.
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i bet if a new 4x4 jeep with roughly those specs but built with new methods and modern specs & technology it would be an awesome and economical vehicle
Well, we can't have that!
Re:i would rather have an old Willy's Jeep (Score:4, Interesting)
Have you looked at Volvo's XC90? (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, yeah, not everyone wants a 3-row SUV. But that they're able to pull those numbers out of a 2L 4-cylinder engine is incredible.
The past returns. (Score:2)
This... meh,.. I guess the civilian 'humvee flavored' trucks have always seemed a bit silly to me, and this one is no exception. Still, some people will probably love it, and more power to them, and it is cool to see all-electric pushes targeting different market segments.
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I can recall years ago reading a piece where an electric-diesel hybrid humvee was developed and demonstrated. Pretty short range on battery, but was still a really cool prototype. and I recall loving the idea at the time.
I recall the same thing, or at least something similar. One selling point was the ability to run for short distances in near silence since it could run on batteries without the diesel engine. The idea was it could run up to a target under diesel power, then turn off the engine for sneaking up for the last stretch. Then after they made a bunch of noise they could fire up the diesel for a rapid departure. Or at least that is what I recall.
The HEMTT A3 was a similar concept that didn't make it to regular p
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Electric motors can produce massive torque. Consider a 3,800hp diesel-electric loco [wikipedia.org] can produce 76,000 pound-feet starting or 70,000 pound-feet continuous tractive effort. Divide that by four for the lower power output of the Hummer, and you're still over 11,500 by a wide margin. (The loco has the "advantage" of weighing 140 tonnes, so it apply a lot more tractive effort before it suffers wheelspin than a road vehicle.)
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And so why? (Score:4, Insightful)
Somebody looked at the deposits Tesla got for the cybertruck and got cybertruck envy.
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Well duh. I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't announced their own electric pickup by this point.
But still ... (Score:2)
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If you want portals either buy Dana 60s with aftermarket portal boxes or unimog axles. They say you want unimog 406 and not 404 axles because the portal gears are stronger. I regret not doing it when I had cash. Now I'm saving up again. I have an engine donor (82 300SD) and now I just need a Jeep and axles (and a transmission adapter... Thinking Tremec T-5.)
The con artist will make sure they fail (Score:2)
The con artist has said he doesn't understand electric vehicles. Doesn't understand how they work, how they'll be produced. He's already said GM will fail [yahoo.com] if they try to convert to all electric vehicles and has also tried to remove subsidies [npr.org] from GM because it made the business decision to close several plants even while saying those workers could be relocated to other plants.
Which is rather odd because this is the same person who claims to be such a great businessman that declaring bankruptcy is a busine [cnn.com]
POTUS didn't write the budget, House Democrats did (Score:2)
Even better, he's transferred that vast knowledge of debt to this country where each year we go $1 trillion further in debt, the highest deficits in this country's history since the Bush recession, all the while occurring during a supposedly "booming" economy.
You do realize that POTUS doesn't write the budget, don't you?
The budget comes from the House of Representatives, which is controlled by the Democrats. After that it goes to the Senate, which is admittedly run by Republicans that are friendly to Trump. Only then does Trump have the option to sign the budget. If the budget isn't signed by him then this can trigger a federal government shutdown, and this comes with all kinds of problems such as sailors in the Coast Guard seeing their paychecks getting dela
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Trump played a part, that not being questioned. He's at least pushed back on many of the worst ideas out of Pelosi and company.
Not once has he vetoed a spending bill. In fact, the con artist keeps asking for more money while at the same time cutting revenue. He's also on the record for whining about Obama running up deficits during a recession, so what's his excuse now for running up even larger deficits during this supposedly "booming" economy? Where's all that fabulous trickle down we heard so much abou
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It's never his fault, he bears no responsibility for anything.
I conceded he shares the blame. This is just bullshit, a product of Trump Derangement Syndrome I'd have to guess.
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Nothing like seeing a Hummer (Score:2)
I predict... (Score:2)
... accidents. Lots of accidents. The meatheads that buy Hummers will not know how to control a 1000HP brick-on-wheels that hits 60mph in 3 seconds. Heck, they couldn't manage to control the internal combustion engine versions. The photos of the those accidents -- with Hummers looking like they were rescued mid-crush from a scrap metal facililty or their guts spread out all across the highway -- were something to behold. Can't wait to see what a 1KHP Hummer does to anything that gets in its way.
Probably out of necessity (Score:2)
It seems that all the big car manufacturers are investing in EVs. The writing's on the wall. So even the knuckle-draggiest of consumers are gonna have to get used to them. Knuckle-draggers are gonna get dragged into the 21st century, whether they like it or not, & since they're typically so not self-aware or reflective, they'll just believe whatever PR & marketing they're told by GM & adopt e-SUVs as their new must-have status symbols.
If you want your transport to be environmentally friendly, mo
Battery Life's Probalby Bad (Score:2)
I like trucks. Maybe I'll like electric trucks. (Score:2)
I'm loving the trend of EVs getting outside of tiny little shoe boxes of a car, or high priced luxury vehicles. I live where there is snow and rain, where sometimes I need to go down roads where the snow and mud will stop most cars because of their low clearance and/or lack of all wheel drive. What I do for work and play requires that sometimes I need to carry big things and/or numerous things that won't fit in a typical trunk, or the atypical "frunk".
I like trucks. They sit up higher giving me a better
Economy of scale is good and this is why: (Score:2)
High HP/torque drivetrains have many more uses than Hummers but, like video cards and other DISCRETIONARY PURCHASE TOYS beloved by the Slashdot population, high output drivetrains paid for by early adopters can easily be used elsewhere and economies of scale help cut costs for everyone.
IDGAF about SUVs, but do want a BEV work truck to tow heavy trailers and other trucks. I want enough battery capacity to replace my gasoline genset on work sites.
I'm fine with other people's toy purchases doing what they do w
Re: so idiots can feel environmentally friendly (Score:5, Insightful)
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If we can have less polluting showcases of arrogance and ego, it's a net gain for the world.
Problem is a 5000+ pounds, 1,000 horsepower mastodon with a 0 to 60mph acceleration in 3 seconds will never be eco-friendly (just think about the BOM). If you really want to pollute less, you should promote more city cars and less SUV. Otherwise it is just virtue signalling.
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A high horse nowadays is just common sense, it seems. I drive a city car, I use induction cooking, I buy toys and paper books, I do not claim to be eco-friendly and I have news for you: if you buy an EV truck you are not eco-friendly either, possibly less than I am. By the way pollution is not just CO2 production, far from that.
Re: so idiots can feel environmentally friendly (Score:4, Insightful)
Would you rather I had kept that 1977 guzzler over buying a new hybrid? Probably not, although the energy going into making that new car may have been more than I am saving the environment in the short term, or who knows maybe even the long term. At least it is far safer to everyone inside and outside the car.
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If you really want to pollute less, you should promote more city cars and less SUV.
A city car, or even a bicycle, still consumes metal, plastic and other non-renewable resources.
It is better to walk everywhere you need to go, while wearing shoes made from sustainably grown fairtrade hemp fiber.
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Metal can be recycled. Plastic and rubber can be repurposed. While not renewable in the classic sense, those parts can still be used elsewhere which would displace the need to produce those new items.
But hey, let's just be hippies and never wander further than a mile from our homes. We'll just grow everything needed for a city of 8 million people and ignore all the things needed to keep society running, like the non-renewable components in the computer/phone you used to type your message.
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It's electric. No fossil fuel pollution. Some people need a big truck.
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What? Do you not know how most electricity is generated?
You are wrong.
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Is it less polluting?
According to some very basic napkin math and this article:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018... [cleantechnica.com]
It looks like gasoline engines are ~3x less efficient than electrics when it comes to converting source power to horsepower at the wheel. I would not expect the 1khp electric Hummer to be that much more environmentally-friendly than the old 300hp H1s with 6.6L diesel engines. Maybe less so at high speeds thanks to drag being such a bitch.
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this is hardly the direction we should be going,
But it is better than the direction we were otherwise likely to go. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
When EVs first arrived, they were seen as wimpy geek cars for vegans. Tesla changed that and made EVs not only acceptable to the mainstream, but into prestige status symbols. If GM can go further and make EVs acceptable to the "roll coal" demographic, that will be a big win.
Re: so idiots can feel environmentally friendly (Score:2)
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No, you.
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Unfortunately, an EV that big is going to require an enormous amount of power for propulsion. 1k hp is ridiculous. That's going to result in some exhaust-spewing at the coal/gas plants that produce the electricity that propels these monstrosities. Maybe not as much as you'd get from a gas-powered Hummer, but remember that the old Hummer only ever produced ~400HP with its best engine (H2).
Try not to sell this thing as green.
Re: so idiots can feel environmentally friendly (Score:4, Insightful)
It's totally not my thing but it is just as environmentally friendly as a Tesla and claims to outperform one. If some people can afford such a thing who the fuck are you to say otherwise?
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Well, not necessarily as environmentally friendly as a Tesla or other small EV. If the mileage (I.e. distance per coulomb?) is the same, then yes they're equivalent. My guess is they're not (but I could be wrong). In that case, you're still probably burning fossil fuels to recharge it, and how often you have to recharge will affect its overall carbon footprint.
Now, if you're charging off of solar, hydro, wind, or other low/non carbon power source, more power to you! 0-60 in 3 seconds sounds fun :)
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Fair point. I hold my judgement until I learn more about it. There may certainly be scenarios (eg heavy weight hauls) where the hummer is a better option than a team of priuses.
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Well, yes .... you could argue that most premium vehicles are "showcases of arrogance and ego".
Bentley, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, Ferrari - nobody "needs" to own these kind of cars. I personally wouldn't want to - I'd maybe hire one for the experience. Do you think that we should scrap all luxury and performance cars?
You can't tell rich people how they should be spending their money - if Arnie wants to drive around in a Humvee, I'm not going to protest.
Re:so idiots can feel environmentally friendly (Score:4, Interesting)
I did have a Jaguar once and I loved the driving experience. But I decided not to buy another because it was too ostentatious and people really did treat me differently (both better and worse).
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Look! The 1980s just called and wants its Jaguar jokes back.
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Look! The 1980s just called and wants its Jaguar jokes back.
No, that’s a fact. Here’s the 80s joke form:
if you try to change the nuts on a Jaguar to fix it you’re likely to bleed out more than just brakes.
Re: so idiots can feel environmentally friendly (Score:2)
I do know there are other reasons than âoeshowing offâ to have these. They are remarkable, precision machines, fun to drive, incredibly comfortable and have features that no one else has
Nonetheless, they're either a 'precision-engineered' solution to the problem of how to look more virile, or a solution to no fucking problem at all.
Me, I'm on the verge of hitting my [shiny, black] late-model suburban with some 60grit and rattle-canning it with something unobtrusive, mabe flat-white. I might even use a roller.
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Well. Nobody needs cars period (except glorious party leadership of course). Everyone should be wearing the same uniform and earn the same amount of money. Maoist China and Communist Cuba were far ahead of US on their way to this Nirvana.
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>"I [A] good motorcycle provides everything a person really needs"
I love motorcycling, and do it regularly. And what you said about efficiency, low emissions, space, weight, price, etc, is correct. But that statement, above, is laughable. It certainly isn't "everything" a person needs. That will depend on the person. It is great as an ADDENDUM to a car, but certainly not a sole replacement. Safety being the #1 problem, weather being #2, and storage space being #3 of the many issues. If you have t
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They have those because of broken, hobbled economies and that's the best they can do.
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My Tesla charged at night in my garage with certified renewable energy is better for the environment when I use it as well.
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The world is filled with idiots and there's no way to stop it.
If you can make em do something less worse or even good, it's a net gain.