Tesla's Cybertruck Will Have Solar Charging Options (cnet.com) 183
An anonymous reader quotes CNET's Roadshow:
The Tesla Cybertruck will have a solar charging option that can extend its driving range 15 miles a day, Chief Executive Elon Musk said Friday. On top of that, "fold-out solar wings" could increase that extra range to 30 to 40 miles per day, he said.
"Would love this to be self-powered," Musk tweeted of the Cybertruck solar charging option, adding that the average car in the United States travels 30 miles per day...
Photovoltaic panels to charge car batteries haven't been a big deal on cars so far, since they require a lot of surface area to generate significant power, and even small, aerodynamic electric vehicles demand a lot of that power. However, solar panel efficiency has been gradually increasing, the Cybertruck has a lot of surface area and the photovoltaic industry has been advancing solar cells that can be built into transparent glass -- just the thing for a transparent Cybertruck roof.
Solar charging could also be a nice way for Tesla to make Cybertrucks more profitable.
TechCrunch notes that the trucks will be made from the same stainless steel alloy that SpaceX is using for its Starship -- and that Tesla received 146,000 reservations for the vehicle in just the first two days since its announcement. "Of those, 41% picked the most expensive tri-motor option and 42% of future customers chose the dual motor version. The remaining 17% picked the cheapest single-motor model."
"Would love this to be self-powered," Musk tweeted of the Cybertruck solar charging option, adding that the average car in the United States travels 30 miles per day...
Photovoltaic panels to charge car batteries haven't been a big deal on cars so far, since they require a lot of surface area to generate significant power, and even small, aerodynamic electric vehicles demand a lot of that power. However, solar panel efficiency has been gradually increasing, the Cybertruck has a lot of surface area and the photovoltaic industry has been advancing solar cells that can be built into transparent glass -- just the thing for a transparent Cybertruck roof.
Solar charging could also be a nice way for Tesla to make Cybertrucks more profitable.
TechCrunch notes that the trucks will be made from the same stainless steel alloy that SpaceX is using for its Starship -- and that Tesla received 146,000 reservations for the vehicle in just the first two days since its announcement. "Of those, 41% picked the most expensive tri-motor option and 42% of future customers chose the dual motor version. The remaining 17% picked the cheapest single-motor model."
My use case. (Score:5, Insightful)
Vacation: Take the truck up to the cabin in the off-grid wilderness. So far up in the mountains or the desert that it takes over 50% charge to get there. Go fishing or hiking for a week while the truck sits there gaining charge in daylight hours. Drive home in comfort with 20% of the range restored.
Or, if that isn't needed, use the AC outlet for stuff.
Works for me.
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If it could just run the climate control on a hot sunny day it would be worthwhile IMO, but it looked like the CyberTrk had a big glass roof, and I really liked that. Would hate to give that up. If they could do solar cells on the roll up cargo cover I'd be all in.
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If other people besides your party can hear a small generator, you're already not out in nature. You're in some "urban adventurer" version of a thing that is trying to pretend you're out in the sticks.
Doesn't have to be an "urban adventurer". (Score:4, Insightful)
E.g. most of Europe simply does not have such large areas of wilderness as the US or Canada. Unless you drive to the north of Scandinavia or deep into Russia, that is what you have to live with.
So fuck your "urban adventurer" snobbery. With a gas-powered chainsaw.
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Bull. On a quiet night you can hear a single grasshopper chewing from several meters away I've never seen a generator that was anywhere remotely as quiet as a grasshopper.
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On a quiet day you can hear grasshoppers chewing grass from several meters away. On a quiet night your "quiet" generator will be audible from the better part of a mile away.
If you're in a campground, which is the responsible way to spend time "in" nature without contributing to severe ecological damage, if there's any major population center within an hour or two drive, then your generator is going to drown out almost all the natural sounds for everyone else in the campground.
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A city-dweller goes to a campground, which probably has paved roads to the prepped campsites a few feet apart, is surrounded by other city-dwellers doing the same thing, and they all pretend they are "in nature" as they sit cheek to jowl with each other and desperately try to listen to grasshoppers over the sound of the showers running in the communal restrooms.
Brilliant.
Glad you folks enjoy that, please stay where you are.
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For occasional needs, they make a lot of sense.
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No, it doesn't. It's how we use it! (Score:2)
Purified gasoline, ran througj a fuel cell, produces nothing but CO2 and water.
Collect the CO2 in a pressurized tank, or suck it from the air (it tends to mostly flow to the bottom), and use the vast amounta of solar power in deserts to turn it back i to synthetic gasoline.
Boom, infinite clean cycle.
And no fucking lithium and other rare earth mines where people die, hazardous waste recycling, or fires that don't go out unless you completely submerge the fucking thing!
Jeez, stupid people are arrogant when th
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Vacation: Take the truck up to the cabin in the off-grid wilderness. So far up in the mountains or the desert that it takes over 50% charge to get there. Go fishing or hiking for a week while the truck sits there gaining charge in daylight hours. Drive home in comfort with 20% of the range restored.
Or, if that isn't needed, use the AC outlet for stuff.
Works for me.
I can bring solar panels along with me without this truck. I can have them on a camper even. Hauling around solar panels all the time when I only need them occasionally doesn't make a lot of sense.
When I'm not camping, or out in open space, You probably can't use them. No room to fold them out in parking lots.
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Vacation: Take the truck up to the cabin in the off-grid wilderness.
Tesla could stage a great PR gag with this. Drive the truck coast to coast across the USA using ONLY the power generated by the solar panels. Plugging in is not allowed. So that would be 40 miles per day . . . from small town to small town.
Dressed in an outer space alien costume.
They could make a micro reality series out of this, showing the reaction of the locals as they see an alien crawl out of the Cyber Trunk.
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If you're driving up into the mountains, then you can probably regen all the way back down, making the solar panel nice, but not essential.
Fold-out! Yes! (Score:2)
This should come standard for cars in sunny countries!
Even not Transformer-butt-ugly ones.
Have the roof, hood, back and side panels look like a completely normal car body, with paint and everything...
but allow opening them up (safely locked by default, just like folding roofs, of course), to reveal solar cells sandwiched in-between! Voila, large surface area for solar power!
Of course if you only drive between home and work, just plug it in like normal, and save the cost.
"SpaceX is using for its Starship..." (Score:2)
Damn it. Stop calling the bloody thing a starship. Unless it's got a warp drive, jump drive, hyper drive, cryogenic freeze tubes and a way to undo the ice damage at thaw time, or a rotating drum with a closed ecosystem that can sustain several generations; it's not a goddamned starship!
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It blows up like the warp core overloaded, so it's got that going for it.
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No It Won't (Score:2)
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WTF? Have you done the slightest bit of research? I can answer! No you've not.
Touchscreen: No (Score:2)
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It could have magic fairy dust charging options, but with only a touch screen to drive with, no way would I consider this. I need knobs and buttons and switches when I drive. I'm not going to be staring down at a series of menus on a touchscreen while I'm trying to drive.
Clearly you've never driven a Tesla. That's not how it works. Go drive one. Gain some knowledge, and then come back here and eat some crow while you tell what you learned.
The 'Tesla' Truck /. Wants is the Rivian (Score:2)
Tesla probably went all cyber punk because Rivian already makes the Model3 version of the F150. https://rivian.com/r1t/ [rivian.com]
110V and compressed air too. Even shows it with a bunch of camping/offroading photos.
People staring and pointing (Score:4, Funny)
American trucks are crap (Score:4, Insightful)
What really makes me sad is all of the rednecks saying the Tesla truck is ugly. Seriously, take a look at the huge, oversized, plastic/fake chrome e-peen maximizers from Ford, GM, and Dodge. I am an American and I am embarrassed that American car companies have just been redecorating the plastic on 60yr old drivetrains for decades. It's like those giant stereo systems from the 80s with a huge plastic case and a tiny little PCB on the inside - just giant unnecessary boxes of air.
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I agree up to a point, but the cybertruck is really fucking awful looking.
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It's not just how it looks to _you_, it's how it looks to _everybody_else_ that is important. Humans have always had a natural in-built aversion to ugliness. I wouldn't be surprised if you run the risk of your hideous looking tank being vandalized, spray-painted, keyed, tires slashed etc if you left it parked anywhere public.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you run the risk of your hideous looking tank being vandalized, spray-painted, keyed, tires slashed etc if you left it parked anywhere public.
But at least nobody would steal it.
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If anyone does vandalize this thing, the crime is likely to be caught on camera and the damage won't likely be very major. On the other hand, some would say that if you live in a place where that's a big worry, you might want to worry MORE about how to live someplace else.
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Ultimate South African truck.
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The commercial for this thing should be a crazy ex trying to smash it in with a bat and the blows just bouncing off.
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This thing is revealing crazy rifts in aesthetics. Based on looks, I would not only buy it, I would pay some good urban taggers spray neo shamanic tags on it, then shoot it, then put a cattle guard on it and extra lights, and then think it looks even cooler.
This is a cyberpunk truck. You either love that or you hate it.
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You joke, but the flat panels like that would be a great canvas. What would a Banksy Tesla be worth?
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Or they might target the ones parked either side of you.
Seriously, these butt-ugly things are going to sell in the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions. 150k are pre-ordered already, most of those high-end options. In two months people will get past the gag reflex upon seeing one, and in two years they will just be "meh".
Just like full-screen cellphones or LED architectural lighting.
What utility? You misspelled inconvenience! (Score:2)
It is literally inconvenient because of its looks! (That "bridge-like design", that hinders access from the sides.)
Musk truly generates the most powerful reality distortion field since Jobs.
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Sides are accessible (Score:2)
It is literally inconvenient because of its looks! (That "bridge-like design", that hinders access from the sides.)
In at least one image they showed on stage, it appeared the side panels could hinge open.
Being able to lower a metal shutter over your load to keep it secure seems pretty awesome to me... much better than a lockbox.
Re: What utility? You misspelled inconvenience! (Score:5, Informative)
Also, the bed access comes from a ramp that lowers down, so its a different method, you just walk up to your stuff and roll it out with dolly or whatever.
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... a lot of people ... including me... everyone's eyes on me ... Call it silly human behaviour, sure... proven time and time again, regardless of the rational ...
But are you capable of comprehending that style is subjective, that hating something loudly causes others to like it, and that people have a wide variety of aesthetic and social views?
Did you not know that many people do want other people's eyes on them? Did you not know that many of them enjoy it even more if dislike their aesthetics than if you like them?
Have you ever even seen a young person before? Were you already old when you were programmed, or what?
What has been proven time and again is that people
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If appearance is more important than utility to you, sure.
Most reasonable people don't exclude either appearance or utility, Prius drivers being an exception. If something looks really good, someone might be willing to compromise a little bit on utility. If utility is fantastic, someone might be willing to compromise a smidge on appearance. The question is, how really great is the utility of this thing, and how far are prospective buyers willing to let the appearance factor slide? Time will tell.
Personally, I think it looks like an F-117 and a Chevy El Camino got
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I thought it was a cross between an El Camino and a DeLorean.
But why would you think a new model of truck would be a "work truck?" Obviously, it would become a "work truck" a few model years out, if it is good at that, and it would be some other kind of truck at first. That's true even if it looked practical, because for a work truck you want reviews that demonstrate it can do what you want, without and hidden "gotchas."
Also, you can tell it isn't a "work truck" by the fact that almost all the preorders are
Re:And? (Score:5, Informative)
I'm confused by your "squatting down on the tires" remark. Are you under the impression that the ATV is pushing it down? That's the active suspension. The load capacity for the bed is 1,5 tonnes. By contrast, a 2020 Ford F150 is 0,74t (w/o heavy duty package) / 1,05t (w/ heavy duty package).
The bed is a braced cantilever rather than trying to bear torque and torsion in-plane.
Also, re "saving $20k": The cheapest Ford F150 in this configuration (config match = Supercrew 6,5'), with the cheapest (XL) trim (which comes with almost nothing), 2WD, and the cheapest engine, no trailer hitch, no heavy duty package, etc is $36340 - only $3560 difference, without tax credits or fuel savings.
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Supercrew, not Supercab. Supercrew is the equivalent to the config on the Cybertruck. Supercab's rear door is a mini suicide door. And to reiterate, everything's an option on the F150, including a proper engine (although still way less performance), 4x4, the "heavy-duty" (still 2/3rds as strong) bed, etc etc. They nickel-and-dime you for everything.
And let's remember that we're only looking at the XL trim. Let's examine... heck, just the interior:
* The screen is a barely visible 2,3". Want bigger? 4,2" is an option (standard on the +$6k XLT trim), but 8" is only available on Lariat or better (+$14k)
* Want cameras on all sides of the truck? That requires the Lariat trim or better (+$14k).
* Adaptive cruise control? Sorry, Lariat or better (+$14k). Heck, even basic cruise control is an added option on XL.
* Ambient lighting? Lariat or better (+$14k)
* Lane-keeping assist? Only an option, and only available on Lariat or better (+$14k)
* Door locks? Manual-only standard on XL. You have to pay more just to have a keyfob.
* Rain-sensing wipers? Not available at all XL or XLT. Optional extra on Lariat (+$14k) and above.
* Auto-dimming mirror? Added extra up to Lariat trim (+$14k)
* Backup sensors? Added extra up to King Ranch trim (+$24k)
* Heated seats? Not available at all in XL or XLT.
* Steering wheel memory? Unavailable up to the King Ranch trim (+$24k).
* Homelink? Unavailable in XL or XLT. Optional in Lariat (+$14k). Standard in King Ranch (+$24k) and above.
* Electronic climate control? Unavailable in XL or XLT.
* Anything more than AM/FM stereo (no subwoofer)? Optional extras, up to Lariat (+$14k). All music services have pay subscriptions.
Want me to go into more sections than the interior? As I mentioned.... XL is really freaking basic.
Oh, and BTW: in 5 years of ownership, 12k mi/yr, $3/gal fuel, that's $7500 in fuel. Plus much extra maintenance.
You're asking about accessories - the accessory list hasn't been released yet. There obviously will be a wide range of accessories, as accessories are a huge profit centre for truck makers.
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Good luck actually buying it and registering it
So when you make a mistake and say something stupid because you weren't paying attention and aren't smart enough to notice details, you just fall to "but what if they forgot to design it street legal?"
My goodness, not only is it shameful how weak your analysis was, but you show your "theory of mind" is completely lacking when you follow your mistakes with further, even weaker, arguments.
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You sure like Tesla. Who the F cares this much about a corporation to type all that nonsense?
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I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Avalanche, maybe more in the same segment as the Ford Raptor and whatever the other manufacturers have, or perhaps just a short bed crew cab F150. Things like the Avalanche don't even have a 6.5' bed from the looks of them. That one and the Ridgeline never made any sense to me, but a standard short bed can at least be pressed into occasional hauling of sheet goods by leaving the gate down and securing the load.
If you're not a contractor (or this isn't the thing
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Yep. And I don't care. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, but it also comes standard with the "looks fucking ridiculous" option, so nothing else really matters.
I absolutely agree, and it's an interesting situation.
The specs far outcompete any existing truck, and it looks awful. That's virtually guaranteed to generate a lot of argument and discussion online, which makes a lot of free advertising for Tesla. As a persuasion tactic goes, it's pretty good...
The trucks have onboard 110 and 220 voltage (presumably outlets). I know a *lot* of people who will buy it simply because they can run their welder directly from the vehicle without having to purchase a generator.
(It's also got a built-in air compressor, but I don't know how valuable that is. Pneumatic tools are popular, but I don't know how useful having them portable will be. Still, being able to use an impact hammer or wrench out in the field might be convenient when making repairs.)
Electric vehicles are showing about double the average lifetime of an ICE vehicle (roughly 300,000 miles for EVs, versus 150,000 for ICEs), so this cuts down the lifetime number of car purchases by half. (Or, when you go to trade in your vehicle it'll still have a lot of value.) OTA updates mean that your vehicle's system will still be current when you go to trade it in.
You won't have to deal with dealerships (savings of about $2000 to $4000 on purchase, and maybe $4000 over the life of the vehicle).
You won't have nearly as much maintenance (no oil changes, brakes every 300K miles instead of 60K, total savings of about $4000)
Body is virtually dent-proof and rust proof. (Much savings in time and repair costs, savings in paint repairs. No more door dings!) Window is nick and scratch resistant.
Fuel savings of $20,000 over the life of the vehicle.
My existing truck was $24K about 10 years ago, and I recently estimated about $20,000 worth of gas expense. That's the price of a low-end Tesla truck right there.
The local dealership keeps trying to screw me for repairs I don't need (different dealerships have different estimates of $600 -> $1400 for the same repair), and stopping to get gas every week takes time. Not a lot of time, but it adds up. Also, getting gas on a cold New England winter night is not pleasant.
I plan to run existing my truck for two more years and then get a Tesla.
It's fine with me if you don't like how it looks.
I don't like how it looks either, and I don't care.
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Roughly the same here. I'm just waiting on confirmation of plow and ladder rack possibilities. No plowing would be a deal-breaker in Northern New England. Hopefully it comes from the factory with mounting holes. If a painter needs to run an ICE then it's failing the mission of bringing solar to everybody.
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(It's also got a built-in air compressor, but I don't know how valuable that is. Pneumatic tools are popular, but I don't know how useful having them portable will be. Still, being able to use an impact hammer or wrench out in the field might be convenient when making repairs.)
Maybe the truck has air suspension, and they just upsized the compressor so it could do other stuff. Otherwise it seems dumb. As for making repairs in the field, most people use electric impact guns now.
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If you want a utility welding truck, there's no reason to do DC/AC/DC.
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Pneumatic tools are popular, but I don't know how useful having them portable will be.
It is so you can look cool while changing a flat. It is useful because you can talk about changing a flat without sounding like you're bragging, so it gives you another chance to brag about your new truck.
Re:"Double the lifetime" = Bullshit! (Score:5, Informative)
I just read somewhere that Teslas lose about 1% of the original capacity every 10,000 miles. I think that might even be high. Generally most drivers charge to 80% or 90% at night, and don't go terribly low, so they stay in the sweet spot for charging. As capacities increase, the frequency of charging drops, so the battery life goes up, even without chemistry improvements.
So depending on your needs, you may need a battery replacement after 300,000 miles or so. The good news is that the old battery should be valuable for stationary energy storage (like a PowerWall) for many more years, and the price of a new battery will be much lower than when you bought your vehicle.
So saying the drivetrain should last twice as long as an ICE vehicle is fair.
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Yeah, it's not like they could do accelerated life tests, [wikipedia.org] or there are Teslas out there with far more miles than the average ICE vehicle ever does [futurism.com]
Re: "Double the lifetime" = Bullshit! (Score:3)
Check out Tesloop
Re:"Double the lifetime" = Bullshit! (Score:5, Interesting)
If you charge your car to "100%", it's really only 80%; IIRC they already keep some headroom to extend the life of the battery. That, and battery conditioning (managing the temperature while charging) seems to work, especially for Tesla. There are already quite a few of those around with over 300k on the clock, some at 500k, still on the original battery. And that includes vehicles that were always charged from 90% to 100%, vehicles that were driven to near empty every day, and taxicabs that received twice daily punishment at the superchargers.
Phone manufacturers simply use inferior batteries. Not only because they are cheaper, but also because it is not at all in their interest to extend the life of their product.
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I don't think that this is true for Teslas. I think Tesla allows you to use the full capacity of the battery. While this could lead to increased warranty claims, I think that the the actual number of such claims will be small: remember that, if the owner decides to abuse your battery, the owner is taking a gamble that he/she will be able to abuse it sufficiently to trigger a warranty claim.
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You're misunderstanding. They make their own battery. There is no way it affects the warranty, they choose what number to call "100%" for warranty purposes.
What it means is that the battery technology, the individual cells (nominally rated at 3.7V) can be charged up to a real-world safe maximum of 4.2V, which is how they're charged in most devices. But some devices designed for longer life only charge them to 4.1V, and that substantially increases their total life and reduces wear. You can go lower than tha
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That's because Tesla owners rarely charge to 100%. Most charge to 80% or 90% and use the 100% charge limit when they have a long drive to complete.
https://ww.electrek.co/2017/09... [electrek.co]
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It's just time for them to move the goalposts again.
We've heard "But the Batteries" since this all began with the Prius. And datapoint after datapoint shows that batteries are no problem.
Tesla charger better than phone chargers (Score:2)
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I flipped because it is utilitarian smart and cheap to use that design. There is literally no bigger douche on the roads than the person who drives a truck for looks. Sports cars are for playboys, trucks are for getting things done. The strong replaceable flat panels bring the price down to levels blue collar folks can afford it, which means a Tesla has their eye on the ball of doing things.
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Normally a unibody is a unit, not a collection of removable panels. Where did you read that the body panels are replaceable? Without cutting and welding I mean.
Many people disagree and think it looks great (Score:3)
Yeah, but it also comes standard with the "looks fucking ridiculous"
For all of the sheeple that love every single car looking like each other as they do now, I can imagine the way this truck looks comes as a bit of a shock...
But for the rest of us, the ones interested in utility and unique design, the Cybertruck is amazing. I see a lot of people comparing it to a DeLorian for example, which I agree with...
Apparently a lot of other people think so too, as it has nearly 150k preorders [theverge.com] already in just a few
Followup: 187k preorders (Score:2)
Sorry I posted old news there, it's really 187k pre-orders now (parent tweet also has the breakdown of which models people order, which is about what you'd expect).
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Why do you guys keep believing everything corporations tweet out? They will sell about 80k of these, max.
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Any time you type "sheeple" you should probable delete your post and re-think.
To me, the entire idea of rejecting a pickup truck because it's ugly is laughable. I really like this truck on paper, but the interior may be too start and utilitarian for me, even for a truck. If the interior was nice, I would have already pre-ordered one, but as it is I'll wait for reviews and see what the modding scene is like.
This truck is going to set the gold standard for trucks going forward and change how a lot of new trucks are designed, so it's really too bad you don't care for the look..
As it is, I'm hoping someone else makes a good electric truck in the next few years. Ford's new thi
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I would have already pre-ordered one, but as it is I'll wait for reviews and see what the modding scene is like.
Have you watched any of the reviews? The most common threads is how big, plush, and awesome the interior is.
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eah, but it also comes standard with the "looks fucking ridiculous" option, so nothing else really matters.
Opinion is already shifting on this, as people get used to the styling.
This might well be the first "so bad it's good" car design, visually. It will certainly get looks, and a lot of people will buy (or mod) a car just for that.
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The Pontiac Aztek showed that you don't have to appeal to everyone, but that you'll sell as well (or better) about people that feel strongly about your design.
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The Pontiac Aztek showed that you don't have to appeal to everyone, but that you'll sell as well (or better) about people that feel strongly about your design.
Actually, what the Aztek showed was that some cars just don't appeal to enough people to be viable. From the Wikipedia article on the Aztek: GM forecast sales of up to 75,000 Azteks per year and needed to produce 30,000 annually to break even. Just 27,793 were sold in 2002, which was the model's best-selling year. Ford sold nearly as many Edsels sold Azteks, in half as many years.
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They can always post AC on /.
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They'll have to settle with vastly out-accelerating any other truck, and having much more torque than any diesel...
Low-status males are the ones who refuse to drive a truck because they don't like how it looks. High status males buy whatever truck makes the most sense for them, and make others want it as a result.
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Low-status males are the ones who refuse to drive a truck because they don't like how it looks. High status males buy whatever truck makes the most sense for them, and make others want it as a result.
No, high-status males drive a Miata.
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Kind of left yourself open for that one don't you think?
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except for trendy faggots and redneck gay bear types
You must be the lone person responsible for the 200K orders then!
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You must be the lone person responsible for the 200K orders then!
Is that like mythical 500000 model 3 orders that have fallen well short of actual sales?
Uhm... you do understand they are manufacturing constrained, not sales constrained? They are literally selling every car they can make with factories operating at 100% capacity. You must work for Exxon.
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LOL "manufacturing constrained". That is why you can order a Model 3 and get it in a week, right?
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LOL "manufacturing constrained". That is why you can order a Model 3 and get it in a week, right?
Go do it. Because that's 100% false. It took me 5 weeks to get my Model X just a few months back. The Model 3 backlog is much bigger.
Lying to make your point doesn't help your case.
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LOL "manufacturing constrained". That is why you can order a Model 3 and get it in a week, right?
You're so full of shit it hurts. Completely false. 4-8 weeks for entry model.