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System76's Supercharged Linux-powered Gazelle Laptop is Finally Available (betanews.com) 160

Posted by msmash from the new-hardware-in-town dept.
The System76 Gazelle laptop is finally available. From a report: What makes this laptop so special (besides its pre-installed Linux-based operating System), is its impressive specifications. You see, System76 has supercharged it with a 9th generation Intel Core i7 Processor (9750H) and NVIDIA GTX 16-Series Graphics. It even has something the pricey MacBook Pro doesn't -- the ability to be configure with up to 64GB. Yeah, Apple's laptop can only have a maximum of 32GB. The Gazelle can be configured with additional top specs, such as an NVMe SSD up to 2TB. Actually, it can accommodate two such drives, so you can theoretically have 4TB of speedy storage. You can opt for either a 15 or 17-inch display, both of which have a 1080p resolution. Regardless of screen size, you get a full keyboard too, meaning it has a number pad on the right. It ships with Ubuntu or Pop!_OS pre-installed and starts at $1099.
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  • 1080p? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:26PM (#58756966)

    Maybe it's because i'm still (barely) young enough to have good eyesight, but 1080p on a screen these days just seems ridiculously low.

    2560x1440 seems to be the sweet spot on most sized screens in terms of real estate and not needing a telescope to see text.

    Shame to have such a specc'd out machine with that playskool screen.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by rnswebx ( 473058 )

      Agreed -- all of the other relatively nice hardware with a 1080p screen makes no sense.

    • I grew up with tube TVs and standard definition. That shit sucks now but anything HD is good.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      The 1080p stuck out to me, also. My 2018, 15" MacBook Pro is 2880 by 1800. 1080p is a relatively spec these day though I would have loved it 10 years ago.

    • Re:1080p? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by thereddaikon ( 5795246 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:56PM (#58757158)

      Depends on the screen size. I mostly use 12 and 14inch laptops and I think 1080p is perfectly fine at those sizes. Any higher than that and people start to turn on text scaling, even those who claim that they have great eyesight and want higher res....And if you are using text scaling then your eyes aren't sharp enough.

      On larger monitors then higher resolutions are welcomed. I'm currently running a large 4k display on my desktop and the real-estate is wonderful.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Bert64 ( 520050 )

      If you need a telescope to see text then you're doing it wrong.
      Text size is measured in points, which are a real world physical measurement (72 points = 1 inch) and they are not related to the number of pixels used to represent the font. If you have a higher DPI output device, then the text should be sharper but should not change in size.

      • If you have a higher DPI output device, then the text should be sharper but should not change in size.
        That is true on a Mac. No idea about Linux, but definitely not true on Windows.

        • On Linux you set the dpi and then you have:
          -system windows that scale well
          -some applications that scale well, too
          -some that mostly scale well, but some elements in them don't
          -some that don't scale with the system dpi setting, but have their own instead
          -some that don't scale at all
          So a resolution so high that it makes non-scaled stuff completely illegible sucks.

      • That depends on what you're viewing. Lots of Web pages (including this one) specify font sizes in pixels.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I used to say this then I hit early 40s. RIP eye sight. 1080p and 27" is fine, thanks ...

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Cederic ( 9623 )

        Yeah, I don't want a larger screen than 27-28", it'd be too big for the space I have.

        4k at that size would make the text too small to read comfortably at the distances I'm usually sat from the monitor. When I was 25, no problem, but..

        I'm still good with 1440p though, so that remains the best choice for me.

        • If you don't have great eyesight, all other things being equal (that is, the text is the same size) a higher DPI screen is actually easier to read, as the extra pixels make the letters clearer and with smoother edges and provide extra detail.

          With that said, you still have to deal with software and other UI elements that don't scale well when move away from the default DPI and font settings, though this has gotten better over the past few years as high resolution monitors have become more common.

          I have a 4K

    • Yeah, that's a crap HD-mill screen in 2019. My generic Clevo laptop is from 2014, has an i7 / 32MB and a 1440 14" matte screen. I think it was $1400 five years ago. System76 tends towards primo but this ain't it.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Maybe it's because GNOME doesn't support high DPI displays very well.

    • Maybe it's because i'm still (barely) young enough to have good eyesight, but 1080p on a screen these days just seems ridiculously low.

      It's pretty pathetic, I'd hate to think this is the pinnacle of commercially available Linux laptops, you can certainly see why people buy Macbooks and dual boot them. That laptop has a worse screen resolution than the 17" laptop I had in 2006, a Dell Inspiron with a 1920x1200 display! I can't even buy a TV with a 1080p display these days unless I opt for some cheap chinese brand.

    • It is an error in the article, screen size is 1900 x 1080.

  • I'm getting one, but does anyone know if it supports Windows 10?

  • Since most people are right handed why are touchpads to the left of center on the laptop?

    • Since most people are right handed why are touchpads to the left of center on the laptop?

      Does the touchpad work in Linux? On this laptop of mine - a Dell Latitude 17, where I have TrueOS installed, the touchpad was never recognized - thankfully! Otherwise, typing would be a pain: on this very laptop, when it originally came w/ Windows 8 pre-installed, typing was a bitch b'cos the cursor would get displaced once my palm accidentally tapped the touchpad. Once I installed PC-BSD on it (at the time), the touchpad stopped being recognized, so I got a USB mouse, and have had no issues ever since.

    • To center the touchpad under the keyboard.

      Though I'm not a big fan of laptops with numpads, as it makes the actual keyboard (the part you type letters on) off center from the screen. With a desktop and a keyboard with a numpad, I'll put the keyboard part so that it's centered with the screen with the numpad off to the side. With a laptop, of course, you can't do that.

      I do realize that some people like and want the numpad. Given that swapping a keyboard is simple easy on most high end non-fruity laptops,

  • Clevo trash. Give me a thinkpad P53

  • Wake me up when they start offering Ryzen CPUs.

  • configure with up to 64GB

    I just tried to configure one: max 32GB.

    So much for that.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by ewhac ( 5844 )
      Choose the 6GB GTX-1660 graphics option, and try again.
    • The 64gb option only shows after selecting the GTX 1660 GPU. But that is just stupid - only greedy marketing morons and/or pointy haired scumbags (like car dealerships) would link the two, I don't see why one would require the other.

      • The 64gb option only shows after selecting the GTX 1660 GPU. But that is just stupid - only greedy marketing morons and/or pointy haired scumbags (like car dealerships) would link the two, I don't see why one would require the other.

        You're kind of nit picking when the real gouging is on the component upgrades themselves--which all manufacturers engage in. Amazon [amazon.com] offers 64 GB RAM for about $175 less than the cost from System 76. You want a 1 TB NVMe drive? That's another $200 [amazon.com] that you can save doing it yourself.

        What's funny is that in practice, I would probably do the opposite of what you would: buy the higher end GPU and then upgrade the RAM and drives myself.

  • Does it require any proprietary drivers or can I install ANY modern Linux on it?

  • I've been using System76 for years and when I have asked Linux support questions, they offer helpful technical answers.

  • No. Just No. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @05:08PM (#58758082) Homepage Journal

    >Regardless of screen size, you get a full keyboard too, meaning it has a number pad on the right.

    Put the keyboard in the middle. I want to type, not do one handed data entry.

    No amount of memory or GPU compensates for a bad keyboard when you are coding.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by nwaack ( 3482871 )
      I couldn't disagree with you more. Nothing annoys me more than having to use the numbers on top of they keyboard when a number pad would've been five times faster. Business laptops without number pads (unless they're very small) should be thrown into the pits of hell.

      • I couldn't disagree with you more. Nothing annoys me more than having to find the keys 4cm to the left of where they should be when the number pad will go unused for the life of the device. Business laptops with number pads (unless they're very huge) should be thrown into the pits of hell.

        • I've always wondered why the big companies like Dell and Lenovo don't offer an option of either a numpad or no numpad. Replacing the keyboard is easy and Lenovo already offers a backlit and non-backlit option on their laptops. How hard could it be to chop off the numpad and put a filler plate on both sides? Then everyone could get the laptop they want and be happy!

          I personally would rather have the keyboard centered and forget the numpad, but I can see how some people would make use of the numpad. My fa

          • I have a usb numpad on my desk. It's occasionally handy for typing numbers, but the main use is for switching language modes.

  • Nvidia non-starter (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jmccue ( 834797 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @05:25PM (#58758148) Homepage

    If they had open source video then I would consider it in spite the lack of a trackball.

    But I was burned by Nvidia. Nvidia stopped support for the on-board video I have on a desktop and Linux Kernel changed the interface, breaking the proprietary driver's interface. Thus no X and nouveau does not work with with that chip. So I picked up a new card, disabled Nvidia and all is well. No pain with a proprietary driver

    So, I will never buy anything with a Nvidia chip again, I expect the proprietary driver needed on this laptop will be out of support and stop working with Linux. Meaning you will be stuck with either Text only or Windows.

    .

  • At first I thought it was a nod to the birth of Unix. But epoch date is Jan 1 1970. So whats 76?
    System5 was the last att unix that even SunOS/Solaris was based upon.

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