New Registrations For Electric Vehicles Doubled In US Last Year (techcrunch.com) 169
An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Electric vehicles, still a small percentage of the total automotive market in the U.S., are beginning to gain ground, according to analysis by IHS Markit. There were 208,000 new registrations for electric vehicles in the U.S. last year, more than double the number filed in 2017, IHS said Monday. That growth in EVs was heavily concentrated in California as well as nine other states that have adopted the Zero Emission Vehicle program. California was the first to launch the ZEV program a state regulation that requires automakers to sell electric cars and trucks there. Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont are also ZEV states.
California accounted for nearly 46 percent, or 95,000, of new EV registrations in 2018, IHS said. California has 59 percent of market share of registered electric vehicles in the U.S. More than 350,000 new EVs will be sold in the US in 2020. Those figures will give EVs a still tiny 2 percent share of the total U.S. fleet. By 2025, that figure is expected to rise to more than1.1 million vehicles sold or a 7 percent share, according to recent IHS Markit. The Tesla's Model 3 is the top selling all-electric in the U.S. so far this year, followed by the Chevy Bolt, Tesla Model X, Tesla Model S and the Nissan Leaf, according to estimates by Inside EVs.
California accounted for nearly 46 percent, or 95,000, of new EV registrations in 2018, IHS said. California has 59 percent of market share of registered electric vehicles in the U.S. More than 350,000 new EVs will be sold in the US in 2020. Those figures will give EVs a still tiny 2 percent share of the total U.S. fleet. By 2025, that figure is expected to rise to more than1.1 million vehicles sold or a 7 percent share, according to recent IHS Markit. The Tesla's Model 3 is the top selling all-electric in the U.S. so far this year, followed by the Chevy Bolt, Tesla Model X, Tesla Model S and the Nissan Leaf, according to estimates by Inside EVs.
My colleague just bought a Tesla (Score:3, Insightful)
She said it can get her from Seattle to Victoria BC on 3/4 charge.
Only old people use fossil fuel vehicles anymore.
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Oh, and BC isn't a state. Even if all vehicles sold there have to be electric by 2025.
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I agree, this is why my next truck is a Rivian. 410 miles on a battery charge, and if you have a spare, 820.
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How often do you drive more than 200 miles in a day?
Sounds like an ideal use for rentals.
Re: My colleague just bought a Tesla (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly. Which is why there is no such thing as a tool rental store for example - everyone has a 30" concrete cutoff saw in their storage space for that one time in their life they need it.
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It is. Who the hell does road trips anyway. They are literally take the worst aspect of the working day (commuting) done continuously. What kind of a weirdo blows their annual leave on doing a shitty daily activity.
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You're talking like a 'road trip' is obscure like a 30" concrete cutoff saw; nice strawman. Aren't road trips part of the American way?
Not for me, but regardless, I'm not buying a car for the chance that I may want to take a road trip once or twice a year, or the off chance that I will need to haul 500lbs of granite slab. You rent that crap.
I buy my commute car for my commute: it needs to have no more than 100 miles of range (in fact 75 would be plenty), be comfortable, ideally has some self-drive since t
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That would be the preferred option. I live in America, we don't do those things.
Re: My colleague just bought a Tesla (Score:5, Informative)
I think your idea of charging times is a bit dated. A Tesla Supercharger can get you 75 miles of range in ten minutes, and a full charge while eating lunch. I've found that if I head out for a long drive early, I can drive a few hours between stops, and breakfast/lunch/dinner work out as naturel breaks. Yes, it's a little slower than driving continuously, but it's a lot nicer and a lot cheaper. Atlanta to Orlando cost 1/4th as much in my Tesla than it did for gas in my Honda Odyssey, and it's way more relaxing to drive with AutoPilot, etc.
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Same here. Have taken trips in a Tesla from Houston to central Wisconsin and back, as well as to Fort Benning in Georgia and back [atariage.com]. Range is enough that Supercharger stops work well for meal breaks, and the car is usually ready to resume the trip before we've even received the check.
The ~730 mile trip to Fort Benning cost me $17 for charging. Charging in Georgia was included where we stayed, just plugged into the dryer outlet at the cabin - they also told us we could use an empty RV spot if we needed;
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You make it sound like refueling is a burden. Which it is, compared to plugging the car in each night.
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You don't need to stop and recharge overnight for long drives. I can drive 300 miles, then stop for an hour for lunch, then drive another 300 miles, then stop for dinner.
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BEVs are superior.
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Tesla's range is either 220 or 325 miles, That's long enough for most routine drives, and enough to go from Seattle to Victoria and back, and there are superchargers along all the major highways for long-range driving (and in both Seattle and Victoria). And "having to charge up" just means pluggig in while you're doing whatever you went to Victoria to do - it takes less time to plug/unplug an EV to fill a gas tank, you just need to do something else for little while during charging, since you can safely lea
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"In the 5-ish years it's been here I've seen maybe a half dozen cars ever parked at it, and I drive by twice a day." probably confirms that most charge at home overnight and that recharge stations aren't as critical as detractors make out. It also supports the studies that 95% of daily journeys are short
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Exactly. Plugging in an EV at home takes seconds, and then it's charging cheaply overnight, so no waiting at all. It's nice not to have to waste time driving to the gas station, filling, etc. - driving past gas stations now feels a bit like when you walk past a record store after MP3/iTunes came out.
EV's are much cheaper to maintain and "fuel". For some real world data from a substantial fleet, https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/dc... [nyc.gov] . What they're seeing is that maintenance costs for BEV's are much lower than hy
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It's certainly true that current BEV work best for a homeowner. I did talk with another Tesla owner a couple months back. He drove into the parking lot at the shopping mall and plugged into one of the free chargers there. I laughed and asked him why he was bothering to charge his 310 mile car at the mall?
Turns out he lives in an apartment, and there's no charging at his work. So, whenever he goes someplace where there is a charger, he plugs in, and that happens enough during the week that with the large bat
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Sure, for now it's a while to wait for the 'super charger' when you need to charge away from home, but I suspect that all things considered the average electric car owner will never be spending that much time 'filling up' comparatively.
You're right. I've had my Tesla M3 for 6 months now, and I've used the Supercharger network twice. Once was just to test that it worked, and once was "just in case" so I'd be sure to get home with enough charge. Today I wouldn't have bothered, the range estimation is accurate enough that I would trust it today if it says I'm going to get home with more than 10%.
As an example of my normal use, tomorrow I have to pick up another pilot at one airport and we have to drive to our helicopter maintenance facility
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Until the EV charging network is a tad more ubiquitous, why not include an optional backup fossil fuel-powered (gasp) generator to make ends meet on a longer trip... or maybe for life-saving heat when I'm snowed in 'side the highway in an ever more common bomb cyclone?
Re:My colleague just bought a Tesla (Score:4, Informative)
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It's an interesting point, which some of the BEV true believers will hate because you know, they have religion. I have both a Volt for my daughters and a Tesla for myself.
I think the Volt is an interesting car, and a PHEV can make a lot of sense for some people. I'm sorry that GM killed that car, but I think we're about to see a bunch of other companies coming out with PHEV (I just hope they have reasonable electric range, unlike the Subaru that has 13 miles of electric range... the Volt got that right... 4
Re: My colleague just bought a Tesla (Score:2)
All countries with an average household income that allows for Teslas or similar cars have very stable electricity networks that can easily cope with the slowly raising demand from EV.
Except from the US, maybe.
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The single largest market for EVs is China, and they're making it work despite infrastructure challenges.
I'm not sure where you think there's no electricity available. In terms of charging, most of the planet has 220v plugs easily available, and even the 110v we use in the US is good enough for typical daily driving. As for charging stations for long drives, https://openchargemap.org/site... [openchargemap.org] lists 146,753 charging stations across 73,065 locations. EV chargers are of course more frequent where there are mor
Re:My colleague just bought a Tesla (Score:4, Informative)
Only old people use fossil fuel vehicles anymore.
Or people who live in apartments with no place to charge their cars overnight.
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Good point, though some cities are requiring apartment buildings to provide charging plugs. Since a standard 110v or 120v plug is sufficient, that's a pretty easy requirement to meet.
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Would be hard in my apartment building - there's only street parking, and I live on the 4th floor!
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Would be hard in my apartment building - there's only street parking, and I live on the 4th floor!
How does street-only parking for a multi-story apartment building work? I guess most residents don't have cars?
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Would be hard in my apartment building - there's only street parking, and I live on the 4th floor!
How does street-only parking for a multi-story apartment building work? I guess most residents don't have cars?
Easy, the residents all park on the street.
Only if the building is very short, apartments are very large, or most residents don't have cars. There's just not enough space on the street to provide parking for high-density housing of people with cars.
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At some point it will become an important question people ask when looking for an apartment: "does it have car charging?"
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Indeed, I wouldn't rent or buy anywhere that I couldn't charge now.
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Building codes vary by location but you can expect a total ratio of around 1:1 parking spaces to bedrooms in the complex.
You clearly don't live anywhere in the US.
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Except that a LOT of landlords won't do it. Heck, on the average here in NYC, there is one parking space "In building" for every 2 apartments (and that is in the outer boroughs)
Guess what, fighting for street parking is "Normal", a LARGE percentage of the housing stock is owned by the NYC Housing Authority, and getting them to remove lead paint is an issue, never mind getting them to put in EV parking
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as a for instance
Out in Flushing - This is private co-ops - you can see the parking in the back. There is one garage for about every 4 apartments, and most are actually used for storage
https://goo.gl/maps/uWMmmBwGeU... [goo.gl]
or here - most of those buildings HAVE no parking - if you look, you can see one ground lot for about 10 cars, no reserved spots
https://goo.gl/maps/MYKvTp2JuX... [goo.gl]
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Only old people use fossil fuel vehicles anymore.
Yeah, because the non-"old people" population is 0.45%?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Hardly an insightful comment since it's flat out wrong.
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She said it can get her from Seattle to Victoria BC on 3/4 charge.
Yes, because it's only 82 miles to Port Angeles and the rest is by ferry. So she used up 3/4 charge for 82 miles?
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She has kids. It's none of your business.
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The base Tesla Model 3 is $39k (with autopilot, before gas savings and tax refund), which is barely over the $37,500 average new car price in the US. So, as with any car, only people that can afford it will buy and drive it, but it's not an outrageous price.
Then you should also keep in mind the significant operating savings - BEVs cost a lot less to operate and maintain than ICE or hybrid. For me, the Tesla costs 2 cents/mile to run, vs 7-9 cents/mile for my previous gas car. And not only is electricity muc
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In six years they'll be 100 percent. At this point, we passed the cost curve inflection point, so fossil fuel vehicles are now more expensive than electrics.
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Trucks cost that much too. Most of the people who own trucks aren't rich.
Expect lots more in CA (Score:3)
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What will drive EV sales the most, a range of mid sized SUVs, with good range and a reasonable price, plus a selection of manufacturers and models. Just typical sales stuff. Next up, home solar power systems with batteries, have one of those, then having an electric vehicle is a no brainier, tax free refuelling and the electric companies will pay you bugger all for the excess electricity you generate, they have a monopoly on your access to the grid.
Tesla et al would probably be really smart in terms of acce
Re:Expect lots more in CA (Score:4, Informative)
Well, in BC WA OR CA there's an electric charge spot everywhere, plus most new housing is required to have solar on it. That plus our electric base cost around here is maybe 1/20th to fill up that gas is for the same distance. We'll all be 100 percent green electric in less than 10 years, plus electrics cost half to pay for maintenance what gas costs.
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Especially when you see some of the electric time attack cars people have converted. Pretty cool!
Your ICE car will soon be obsolete and worthless (Score:5, Informative)
https://thinkprogress.org/elec... [thinkprogress.org]
Plummeting battery prices to make electric cars cheaper than gas cars in 3 years
A Bloomberg bombshell.
Achieving parity for upfront, initial cost means that the buying decision for electric vehicles (EVs) is about to become a no-brainer.
That’s because EVs are already superior to gasoline cars in many key respects: they have faster acceleration, much lower maintenance costs, zero tail-pipe emissions, and a much lower per-mile fueling cost than petrol cars, even when running on carbon-free fuel.
Re: Your ICE car will soon be obsolete and worthl (Score:1)
What kind of microscope do you use to see your penis? Even my 1 motor Tesla 3 is faster than every other ICE car Iâ(TM)ve owned, including a V8 mustang. And the power instantaneous. Always. No downshifting. No turbo lag. Immediate. Itâ(TM)s fucking awesome.
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Sounds impressive, but... (Score:5, Informative)
There were 208,000 new registrations for electric vehicles in the U.S. last year
That's less than a quarter of the number of F150s Ford sells in a year.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/j... [forbes.com]
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You're comparing worldwide sales to US registrations, derp.
You fail.
In 2018, Ford sold 909,330 F-Series pickups in the U.S. alone. In 2017, Americans purchased 896,764. And in 2016, U.S. car dealers sold 820,799.
https://www.freep.com/story/mo... [freep.com]
Derp back at you. Fucking ACs sure are dumb.
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Two times jack shit is still jack shit.
This is true, if the doubling is one-time. If it continues year after year, however, exponential growth kicks in and numbers get big fast.
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So every day I go out and pick up a rock and each day l double the size of the one I get, the first day 1 lb, the second day 2 lb, the third day 4 lb, and so on. By day nine I have to lift 256 lb, not happening. The same with producing electric cars, the parts supply line can not be ramped up that quickly.
We're not talking about days, but about years. And even if Tesla falls behind the exponential growth curve a bit, over the course of a few years, you're talking about a significant minority of the market.
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It's enough that I know at least 6 people at work (out of 20 co-workers) that have electric cars or plugin hybrids and for the most part aren't buying gasoline anymore - just 3-4 years ago it was zero - you'd be a fool not to wake up and smell the batteries if your making cars.
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No "but" about it. It is impressive given that the F150 is basically the American flag on wheels. The fact that EVs are taking off at all in a country that worships oil and trucks almost as much as guns and jesus is hugely impressive.
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Ford, after dragging their feet for years, does seem to be finally getting serious. And while they are saying they're working on a BEV pickup, I think a PHEV pickup will be the popular choice. First of all, towing with a BEV is a problem, so having the gas engine there to supplement the range makes sense. Secondly, it lets them spread their available battery supply across more vehicles. I only hope their PHEV will have decent electric range. That hasn't been Ford's strong point in the past.
2 times a very small number (Score:1)
The world needs a low cost, affordable electric subcompact with range.
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Really? People are living in RV, tents and are demanding rent control in the USA AC.
They need a quality used car under $10K AC.
Living pay to pay. With some savings to cover a new $50k family-sized electric SUV?
The world needs many different types of car AC. Not just new $50k cars AC.
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Range sucks; but not really (Score:2)
We have a leaf, so max range ~ 100mi. I keep it charged to = 40% unless we are going out of town, gets us all around town and back. Lower cost per mile, lower total cost of ownership (saving a ton in maintenance). Can rent a car for long journeys but the charging infrastructure is kicking in so haven't done it yet (but plan to). Some cars in some places have had negative depreciation (worth more if you sell it in 12 months). I doubt I'd get that lucky, and I doubt it will hold.
Oh yeah, and the beautiful qui
Invest in nuclear & fossil fuels now (Score:1)
as this trend of electric vehicle purchases indicates a future higher usage of these fuels. If everyone buys an electric vehicle we'll need to use every bit of coal also. Energy has to come from somewhere and demand will dictate using the fuels available. Fossils fuels will be used whether it is on the highway or in the power plant. Even amazing lithium batteries won't change that unless we return to nuclear based power.
Re: Invest in nuclear & fossil fuels now (Score:3, Insightful)
So in the worst case scenario that 100% of the power to charge EVs comes from fossil fuels, thereâ(TM)s still the advantage that youâ(TM)re not releasing harmful emissions right next to where people can breathe them in.
In reality thereâ(TM)s a mix of energy sources with a good deal coming from wind and solar.
For instance, as we type the UK is currently running on 25% renewable energy (and thatâ(TM)s at night!) with 0% from coal.
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"You always have time to recharge over night? And when you dont you can always just easily get a rental vehicle? On a Sunday? Or in the middle of the night during an emergency?" what happens when you run out of gas on the road as people do? You don't r
Gas stations (Score:2)
BEV have several million outlets that cam charge it. Any electric dryer outlet is level 2!
Leaving home everyday with a full tank, priceless !!
Re:Gas stations (Score:4, Interesting)
https://plugmeinproject.com/ [plugmeinproject.com]
This guy drove from Amsterdam to Perth (89000km), not directly mind you, he went via the northernmost tip of Norway showing that your car literally can run in nearly every environment, including environments like the middle east where absolutely *zero* superchargers are available.
Go ahead call me a fanboi (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting how of the top 5 sellers Telsa's products take #1, #3, and #4 spots. Maybe we will now enjoy fewer postings now about how delusional and corrupt Elon Musk is and how he will go bankrupt before he delivers.
Then again, maybe not.
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Maybe we will now enjoy fewer postings now about how delusional and corrupt Elon Musk is and how he will go bankrupt before he delivers.
If commonsense and past performance had any impact on Slashdot trolls we wouldn't be having this discussion.
The increase is not market-driven (Score:4, Informative)
If an automaker fails to meet this percentage, they must buy credits from an automaker who exceeded it. This is why Musk started Tesla - he realized that with the ZEV mandate, even if he lost money on each EV he sold, he could remain profitable by selling the ZEV credits to other automakers. I also suspect this is why Tesla has been so slow to ramp up Model 3 production. It is beneficial to Tesla to try to delay those sales until later years when the ZEV mandate percentage is higher, and there is more demand for the ZEV credits. Right now most of the automakers are managing to hit the requisite percentage on their own (of the major brands, only Honda and Toyota missed the target last year, and had to buy credits).
If an automaker fails to buy enough credits to meet the required percentage, they are banned from selling cars in California. And since about a dozen states representing about a third of the U.S. population automatically adopts CARB's guidelines, the automaker would be banned from selling cars in those states as well. No automaker wants to be cut off from a third of the U.S. market. So they're all busy rolling out EVs to comply with CARB's ZEV mandate. Towards the end of the year, if it looks like they won't sell enough EVs, they start slashing the prices, even selling/leasing them at a loss to try to meet the percentage. This is why all the great EV deals were only in California - only EVs sold/leased in California counted towards the mandate (that is changing - starting this year EVs sold in other states will count as well).
I'm not saying there isn't demand for EVs - there almost certainly is. But the growth in EV sales is not an indicator of organic market demand. The growth is mandated by regulation, so it's the tail wagging the dog. In a free market manufacturers sell the vehicles at a modest profit, and the price determining demand. But the current situation with EVs is that the manufacturers drop the price (even selling EVs at a loss) until there's enough demand to meet the ZEV mandate percentage for the year.
Car pool lanes (Score:3)
A bigger factor. Why my mate in California bought an EV. Beat the traffic.
That is worth more than money.
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(To be clear, an EV with one occupant is allowed in the Car Pool lanes.)
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You do realize that _every_ new form of transportation is heavily subsidized, right? Airplanes were completely subsidized by government contracts for decades. Ditto trains. Cars are still heavily subsidized - highways, oil company subsidies, numerous wars over oil, etc. EVs are being subsidized because it's in the national interest for us to be able to design and manufacture EVs so that when the costs keep dropping so that in a few years BEVs are straight out cheaper than gas cars that we're not locked out
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We don't have a ZEV mandate in Texas. The state even goes out of their way to make it difficult to buy a Tesla (cannot discuss price in the "gallery", must order online, must pay in full before it can be shipped to Texas, etc), recently tried to pass a bill [kxan.com] that would have forced Tesla to close service centers, and even prevents Tesla owners [autoblog.com] from taking advantage of the Texas $2500 EV incentive as it's only available if vehicle was purchased from a Texas Dealer.
And despite all that, if you take a look at T [tesla.com]
Free and green? (Score:1)
How popular would EVs be if it were not for tax breaks and free electricity?