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iRobot Unveils Terra, a Roomba Lawn Mower (venturebeat.com) 142

Krystalo writes: iRobot is best known for making vacuum cleaner robots: the infamous Roomba lineup. But the company also makes mopping robots (Braava lineup), pool cleaning robots (Mirra lineup), a bot to help clean gutters, and even programmable robots (Create lineup). So, what's next for your home? A lawn mower robot. Queue the "get off my lawn" jokes.
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iRobot Unveils Terra, a Roomba Lawn Mower

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  • Is this new? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:20PM (#58045736)

    Is this new, I mean, it might be new for iRobot, but haven't lawn mower robots been a thing for a while now? iRobot entering the market place might be a big player coming, probably one that can be marketed towards "common man", but I swear we've had companies with robot lawnmowers for a decade or more now.

    • A robot with spinning blades called Terror...

      History will look back on the great Man vs. Machine War that started when lawnmowers demanded suffrage and wonder what iRobot were thinking.

      • const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)

        While at first glance, this appears absurd, the bit pattern that corresponds to 65536 is actually the same bit pattern as that needed for the value 1.0, when using fixed point precision with 16 bits to the right of the binary point.

        I do not know for sure if that's really what is going on with that line of code... I am unfamiliar with that codebase, and this is just my first impression, but taken by itself, it's actually not really that crazy a thing to see.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          C# doesn't let you simply reinterpret binary as different types like that.

          The person who wrote it was trying to avoid using floating point by multiplying everything by 65536. Windows CE doesn't require an FPU so it might have helped on some low end ARM systems, but in practice I really doubt it as by far the biggest bottleneck was the rendering on the GPU.

          In any case, the name "one" is... Not great. Also the code didn't actually work properly anyway, so it's a case of premature optimization.

          One day I'll fin

          • by mark-t ( 151149 )

            The person who wrote it was trying to avoid using floating point by multiplying everything by 65536

            That's what fixed-point is... it happens to be the case multiplication by some 65536 is equivalent to everything being shifted left by 16 bits, and is how the bit pattern similarity between the integer 65536 and a a representation of 1.0 with 16 bits of precision is relevant. Obviously, the optimization is only practical on systems that do not have efficient floating point.

            In the early 1990's, I remember wo

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              Sure, but the other thing about C# is that bit shifting is quite slow too. It really really isn't built for doing bitwise operations. And also there are fixed point maths libraries for this kind of stuff, although I suppose to be fair they might not have been available at the time they wrote it or available for the .NET Compact framework.

              If I were doing it in C# I'd probably create a class, or if it was C I'd have INT16_TO_FIXED() and FIXED_TO_INT16() macros.

              Still, that library saved our bacon when it turne

      • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:35PM (#58046220) Journal

        A robot with spinning blades called Terror...

        History will look back on the great Man vs. Machine War that started when lawnmowers demanded suffrage and wonder what iRobot were thinking.

        This.

        Do you want Skynet? Because this is how you get Skynet.

      • Spinning blades of a robotic lawn mower... Terror... It reminds me of a scene late in Disney's Honey, I Shrunk the Kids where the neighbor kid Tommy was running Nick's radio control lawn mower, and the kids were in danger of getting sliced up.

    • by mccalli ( 323026 )
      There has been and the article mentions them, however there are a couple of interesting bits. The first is that most require you to sink wire boundaries all around the lawn whereas apparently this one does not. The second, as you say, is the entry of iRobot into this area.

      I've been watching this area for a while as I'd find one very useful. Be interested in knowing price.
    • For what ever reason robotic vacuums are more popular in Europe.

      Husqvarna has had multiple models available for a while.

    • Most of them are from home made robotics enthusiast, not a commercial for sell product.
      The biggest hurtle I see is legal vs technological. What happens if this mower mows over your cat, your dogs tail, or your kids favorite toy. Now a company like iRobot we would hope would have enough safety features to prevent harm, and if they did they would have insurance to help compensate for your damage.

      Now if I had one of these things, I would not try to push its safety features to its limits (bring in the pets, m

      • by Knuckles ( 8964 )

        I've had a Robomow commercial product for years, Husquarna/Gardena (big garden tool brands in Europe) have mowers as well, as have various other manufacturers

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Disclosure: I worked for iRobot for several years fairly high up the management chain and departed in the late aughts.

      iRobot has been looking for an act 2 for more than a decade now. The Roomba was a huge financial success, selling over 32 million units (and my data is from back when I worked there - the actual number is likely higher now), but even almost a decade ago we could see the sell curve falling and many, many competitors entering the market, several with long vacuum cleaner histories (Dyson). We

      • Then they also started to sell off the mapped interior data to third parties to "server the customers better." When they started doing that, and not having a way to turn the "feature" off, is when I decided to stop looking for a robot vacuum as you know the competitors will be doing it too.

  • Dogs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:21PM (#58045746) Homepage
    Would love one but alas - three dogs. Which means manually cleaning up the lawn on a regular basis, for obvious reasons. What I would pay for a robot that would handle that clean up for me...
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Hmmm... that shouldn't be too hard actually. Probably easier than a lawn mowing robot. And I bet there are a lot of people who would pay a few hundred bucks for such a thing.

    • Would love one but alas - three dogs. Which means manually cleaning up the lawn on a regular basis, for obvious reasons. What I would pay for a robot that would handle that clean up for me...

      Well, it dries up pretty fast, why not just mow it into the grass as fertilizer?

      • Gives parasites and harmful bacteria a place to live and thrive which can be very bad if you have young kids and dog waste doesn't make good fertilizer it's too high in nitrogen and phosphorus.

    • I wish iRobot would build a Robot that could also vacuum stairs; I guess I will have to do it myself.
  • What could possibly go wrong?
  • Have to wonder how long until we start hearing the horror stories of the neighborhood cat or playful puppy having an unfortunate encounter with these things...

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I've been using the husquavarna automower for the last year and it works great.

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:26PM (#58045782)
    >> lawn-mowing robot

    So many negligence and injury cases are about to get queued up.

    Think of the difference of a relies-on-smooth-floors, air-sucking machine moving around your locked home when you're not around vs. a powerful-enough-to-push-through-stiff-grass, blade-slashing machine moving around a neighborhood full of other people's kids and dogs.

    Maybe I should go get that law degree after all.
    • You're not thinking very critically. When designing a robot, you don't start with a current human appropriate standard, strap on autonomy, and hope it doesn't kill anything. There are all kinds of "from-the-ground-up" redesigns that can be done because of the different size and time economies of robots, as well as safety considerations. Think small, light, and uses something more like a weed eater string as a cutting tool.
      • >> weed eater string

        https://kytrial.com/man-who-was-injured-while-using-trimmer-awarded-5-78-million/
      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        Weed eater string rips rather then cuts, which injures the grass. Ideal would be (safety) scissors or a miniature reel mower. Rather then sharp, two right angle surfaces with about a thou of clearance between them.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    There are several "robot lawn mowers" on the market already, from the likes of Honda, Husqvarna, and Worx. While iRobot brings it's own expertise to the field, it will still have to play "catch up" with the established (and deep-pocketed) vendors. I applaud iRobot for the effort, but I feel that their offering is more of a "we need to at least show our face" effort than a "we are the market leader" face.

    For me, I have little need of a robot lawn mower. It is a pleasure to cut my meager suburban lawn in the

  • by chrysrobyn ( 106763 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:34PM (#58045820)

    I've got a 6 acre plot, 4 of which is mowed. Generally this takes me 3 hours every Saturday during the warm months. I would love a robot mower. So far, they have all been random paths, except for some prototyping in Ardumower. Random paths are great for suburbia but they just can't cover large open spaces.

    This market could really use someone who can handle straight paths. My kind of yard doesn't mind some radio beacons to help with DGPS signals, but fence type transmitters far from the home will be tough. In-ground wires aren't too much of an issue.

    Right now, the only automatic mowers I can find that can handle more than 2 acres are more than my zero turn mower. Not that that's a deal breaker, but I would need to buy two to cover my whole yard -- which is the problem.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Why do you mow 4 acres?
      • by chrysrobyn ( 106763 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:44PM (#58045884)

        Same reason most people mow their yards, whether they know it or not, to keep mice and rats away from the home. I'm in an area with a lot of hay fields, so a lot of unchecked rodents. It's not perfectly effective, but keeping a big buffer from the main home, the detached garage and the pool is important to me and my family.

        • Interesting. I'm glad rodents are too lazy to go the extra acre. All those people with less than 4 acre properties must be absolutely infested.
          • In his defense, rodents aren’t too keen on big open spaces where they can be picked-off by birds.

          • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

            Most people with less than 4 acre properties have neighbours... who mow their lawns. Try not mowing your lawn in suburbia for a while and see how the neighbours react.

          • Interesting. I'm glad rodents are too lazy to go the extra acre. All those people with less than 4 acre properties must be absolutely infested.

            To be fair, the OP said they were surrounded by hay fields. So I would guess that they are in a rural area.

            Have you been to Chicago, NYC, LA or DC? I was in Baltimore a couple years ago and rat ran out of an overgrown yard crossed the street and climbed the rain spout of another house. This was in the middle of the day. It looked like it weighed at least 3 lbs.

        • You forgot about all the other wild life and insects that enjoy high grass.

          People don't really think about why we do certain things like mowing the lawn. Usually if you are going to plant any thing that flowers you would place it away from the house I see things like lilacs up against the house attracting bees and ants. I see trees too close to the water pipes, sewer pipes, or power lines. Mulberry trees to close to the house and driveway they clog up the gutters, drop mulberries on the car, the drive, stai

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        It can be for fire suppression too. Short dry grass doesn't burn the same as long dry grass. Helps if you're somewhere where you can't water in the middle/end of summer.

  • There are several posts about how this is about time. If you read the article, you'll see that this is a huge step above anything out there now. All existing robotic lawnmowers require you to bury a wire around the perimeter of your lawn. It's essentially the same technology as the invisible fence that many dog owners use to keep pets in their yards. This is fine if you have a nice contiguous lawn, but if you have sidewalks and driveways breaking up your grass, it can be a huge pain. The Roomba system

    • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
      Hope it lasts longer than their roomba vacuums. After 3 years of use, the sensors no longer work so it does not slow down when approaching obstacles. It also get "stuck" on dark carpet.

      My brother researched previous robot mowers, they were designed for shorter grasses like bermuda. Where we live, tall fescue is the top choice as it is heat tolerance, drought tolerant.. but it's recommended to keep between 3.5" and 4" tall. The existing mowers cut to a maximum of 2.5" if I remember correctly, probably
      • by crow ( 16139 )

        That's a fair point. We had an early Roomba vacuum, and it didn't last long.

        • The great thing about Roombas though, is that there's a fantastic community around it. Very easy to order third-party replacement stuff, and even 3D printed parts for cheap.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        Yea, where I am, 3-4 inches is recommended but a lot of people struggle to have a golf green length lawn. Another reason for longish grass is weed suppression, weed seeds and seedlings need light so if you shade them out...

  • Seems like Neato is more clever. I like the capability to mark areas as off limits in a map.

  • by biggaijin ( 126513 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:01PM (#58045972)

    This sounds like the basis for a great new Stephen King book...

  • by atrex ( 4811433 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:04PM (#58045994)
    So, they expect you to just leave this probably $1000+ robot and charging station sitting outside your house so someone can walk up and steal it while you're at work?
  • I've got one of the Friendly Robotics/Toro iMow robotic mowers. It's actually pretty awesome once set up correctly, and you're not sending into waist-high grass. After all this time it's got a high battery draw problem I need to figure out but it has lasted considerably longer than I thought it would.
  • by sunking2 ( 521698 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:22PM (#58046120)

    It looks small, whats the hp/kw rating? Run time per charge, max height of grass it can handle, and scores of other things. Looking at it it doesn't seem like it'll handle more than about a .5" of cut depth so you would have to set it to run every other day, if not every day depending on the weather. Which would be fine for it head out every day when I'm at work except that now you're talking a ton of hours wear and tear on it. My roomba vacuum runs most days and after a year or so it's definitely showing the mileage. And that's nothing like cutting a lawn.

  • Reminds me of the following story: True Value was sued because some idiot picked up his running lawn mower to trim his bushes. After chopping off fingers he decided to sue. Now there are insane disclaimers on lawn mower boxes and documentation.
  • This seems more like an Ad than a news post.
  • by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:36PM (#58046230)

    One clickbait-y article means they are "infamous?"

    Wirecutter seems to like them:
    https://thewirecutter.com/revi... [thewirecutter.com]

    Not a "best" recommendation, but a runner-up nod.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Kind of a stupid article too. Somebody who won't leave the Roomba unattended, even though they also admit that it's never broken anything, including itself.

  • by trb ( 8509 )

    I guess the name lawnba was already taken.

  • like this one [rcmowersus.com] just a residential version (not costing over 2K). Don't think the iRobot one would climb a slope.

  • So how would we ensure that these robots don't get stolen?
  • Instead of mowing your lawn every week or so to cut it to a preferred length, why not use a GM grass seed that only grows to your preferred height, and then stays there? It can be modified to require less water, as well. Imagine how much money that'd save golfing institutions. It could even be made Roundup-ready to make it easier to kill weeds. Seems Scotts DID test a Roundup-ready grass for golf courses, but the USDA refused to allow its sale; European/Asian customers scoffed at the idea and they decided t

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