Google Home Hub Is Nothing Like Other Google Smart Displays (arstechnica.com) 44
On Tuesday, Google announced the Google Home Hub, a 7-inch display that gives you visual information, making it easier to control smart home appliances and view photos and the weather. The unusual thing about it is that it doesn't run the smart display software that it introduced for third-party OEMs. Ars Technica explains: First, let's talk about what the third-party smart displays run. When Google created its smart display software, it also came up with a turnkey solution for OEMs. So far, we've seen Lenovo, LG, and Samsung's JBL all produce devices on the same basic platform. Just like with smartphones, these devices are all an extension of the Android/Qualcomm partnership -- they run Android Things on Qualcomm's SD624 Home Hub Platform. Android Things is Google's stripped-down version of Android that is purpose-built for IoT products, and the third-party smart displays are the first commercial devices to run the OS.
Unlike regular phone Android, Android Things is not customizable by third-parties. All Android Things devices use an OS image direct from Google, and Google centrally distributes updates to all Android Things devices for three years. Android Things doesn't really have an interface. It's designed to get a device up and running and show a single app, which on the smart displays is the Google Smart Display app. Qualcomm's "Home Hub" platform was purposely built to run Android Things and this Google Assistant software -- the SD624 is for smart displays, while the less powerful SDA212 is for speakers. When it came time to build the Google Home Hub, Google didn't use any of this. After talking to Google's VP of product management, Diya Jolly, Ars Technica's Ron Amadeo discovered that the Home Hub is actually built on Google's Cast platform and uses an Amlogic chip instead of Qualcomm's SD624 Home Hub Platform.
When asked why Google was using a totally different platform from the third parties, Jolly told Amadeo, "There's no particular reason. We just felt we could bring the experience to bear with Cast, and the experiences are the same. We would have easily given the third-parties Cast if they wanted it, but I think most developers are comfortable using Android Things." Amadeo seems to think it has to do with the low price, as it undercuts the cheapest third-party Google smart display (Lenovo's 8-inch model) by fifty bucks.
Unlike regular phone Android, Android Things is not customizable by third-parties. All Android Things devices use an OS image direct from Google, and Google centrally distributes updates to all Android Things devices for three years. Android Things doesn't really have an interface. It's designed to get a device up and running and show a single app, which on the smart displays is the Google Smart Display app. Qualcomm's "Home Hub" platform was purposely built to run Android Things and this Google Assistant software -- the SD624 is for smart displays, while the less powerful SDA212 is for speakers. When it came time to build the Google Home Hub, Google didn't use any of this. After talking to Google's VP of product management, Diya Jolly, Ars Technica's Ron Amadeo discovered that the Home Hub is actually built on Google's Cast platform and uses an Amlogic chip instead of Qualcomm's SD624 Home Hub Platform.
When asked why Google was using a totally different platform from the third parties, Jolly told Amadeo, "There's no particular reason. We just felt we could bring the experience to bear with Cast, and the experiences are the same. We would have easily given the third-parties Cast if they wanted it, but I think most developers are comfortable using Android Things." Amadeo seems to think it has to do with the low price, as it undercuts the cheapest third-party Google smart display (Lenovo's 8-inch model) by fifty bucks.
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The lack of camera is annoying (Score:5, Funny)
What I find really annoying about the Home Hub is the lack of a camera. It's a device that begs to be sued for video calls but can't be.
They say they did this for privacy reasons, but it's nothing a flip or slide cover wouldn't have solved equally well.
So many of Google's design decisions just leave you thinking, "ugh... why?!?" these days.
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I LOL'd "sued' vs "used"
deep Freud affect found!
What a great "partner" (Score:2)
1) Join any Google alliance or back any Google product.
2) Google Happens.
3) You are fucked.
If you are wondering where the "..." step was there is none because there is never any doubt relying on Google will screw you over.
Support for only 3 years? (Score:1, Interesting)
Like what? What does a home hub need to do? Video, chat, email.... without long term support this is just wasting money.
What is the point (Score:2)
why not just buy a cheap android 7 or 8 inch knock-off tablet for $50?
If you want a google powered refrigerator, why not buy a 10 inch android tablet and velcro it to a dumb fridge?
Alternatives (Score:2)
why not just buy a cheap android 7 or 8 inch knock-off tablet for $50?
These tend to have old under-powered chipset from shitty companie like MediaTek.
Not only they are difficult to unlock and install LineageOS on them, but in today's era of "you must download a multi-megabyte katamari of innumerable javascript framework libraries just to be able to display a single webpage", their weak CPU isn't even good at browsing the web.
If you want a google powered refrigerator, why not buy a 10 inch android tablet and velcro it to a dumb fridge?
It's a good idea, but while you'd be avoiding a huge chunk of the privacy-molestation, you'd be still missing on the sensors that make the whole idea of
"there's no particular reason" (Score:2)
What a bad deal (Score:4, Insightful)
In other words, Google will ship an always-online device that has a microphone, over which the user has no control, in exchange for $150.
Along with Echo, HomePod and other surveillance devices, I just can't wrap my head around the idea that some people want to be enslaved so bad they're ready to shell out money for it.
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O'Brien paused as though he expected Winston to speak. Winston had tried to shrink back into the surface of the bed again. He could not say anything. His heart seemed to be frozen."
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I just can't wrap my head around the idea that some people want to be enslaved so bad they're ready to shell out money for it.
Broad-view ignorance.
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In other words, Google will ship an always-online device that has a microphone, over which the user has no control, in exchange for $150.
Along with Echo, HomePod and other surveillance devices, I just can't wrap my head around the idea that some people want to be enslaved so bad they're ready to shell out money for it.
Do you own a smartphone? Or any mobile phone? Do you know what that device is doing all the time? These Things devices are essentially pluggin-in phones, they have the same capabilities and you ultimately there is very little different in trusting your phone to trusting these devices.
Like all things that you can't verify personally, it comes down to trust. What do you / who do you trust. I get why you wouldn't want to trust a home thingy, but it's much less personal than your smartphone (which has multiple
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Do you own a smartphone? Or any mobile phone? Do you know what that device is doing all the time? These Things devices are essentially pluggin-in phones, they have the same capabilities and you ultimately there is very little different in trusting your phone to trusting these devices.
Like all things that you can't verify personally, it comes down to trust. What do you / who do you trust. I get why you wouldn't want to trust a home thingy, but it's much less personal than your smartphone (which has multiple cameras, comes with you, knows where it/you are) which you probably already are OK with.
At least a smart phone provides value over a brick phone. A smart speaker provides nothing but planned obsolescence over a normal speaker.
Will Android Things get updates? (Score:4, Insightful)
- Use wifi to communicate
- Connect to the same network as my laptop
- Connect to the 'cloud' (especially if this is the only way)
It's just too big of a security and privacy risk.
In fact, I'm currently working on a smart home system that is completely air-gapped. All the 'smart' devices form a separate network which is not connected to the internet. Wifi is used, but only to set it up and to connect a dedicated tablet to the controller in order to change settings or look at datavisualisations. The rest of the connections between devices use other standards.
Outside control is done via SMS, where only pre-defined phonenumbers can send commands (and the same modem provides the time).
Really easier ?!? (Score:2)
Actually it is easier to check weather by simply looking through one of the home windows.
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Actually it is easier to check weather by simply looking through one of the home windows.
You can see what the weather's going to be next week by looking through one of your home windows? You must have quite a view.
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I find it pretty hard to get a read on the temperature or humidity that way.
almost good (Score:3)
"Unlike regular phone Android, Android Things is not customizable by third-parties. All Android Things devices use an OS image direct from Google, ..."
wow, sounds good, they really learned a lot from how regular Android updates haven't really worked.
"... and Google centrally distributes updates to all Android Things devices for three years."
oops, nope, still rubbish, 3 years? that's a joke.
Smart Hub? LOL. Spy hub is more like it. (Score:1)
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