Samsung, Arm Team Up: Expect New Mobile Chipset Faster Than 3GHz (zdnet.com) 56
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Arm is teaming up with Samsung's foundry to manufacture the recently announced Cortex-A76 CPU, which the pair say will run at speeds above 3GHz. At that speed the Cortex-A76 will be more powerful than Qualcomm's best Cortex-A75 SoC, the Snapdragon 845, which tops out at 2.8GHz. At launch, Arm said Cortex-A76 chips would even challenge Intel's Core i7 on performance, meaning it could benefit not just smartphones but laptops too, such as "always connected" Windows 10 on Arm devices from HP and Lenovo, which use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835.
The collaboration will involve the Arm-designed chips being manufactured on Samsung's 7LPP (7nm Low Power Plus) and 5LPE (5nm Low Power Early) process technologies, combined with Arm's Artisan physical IP platform. However, it could still be some time before consumers see these high-powered Arm CPUs in devices. Initial production on the 7LPP process is set to begin in the second half of 2018. Samsung says 5LPE, the process technology after 7LPP, will allow greater area scaling and ultra-low power.
The collaboration will involve the Arm-designed chips being manufactured on Samsung's 7LPP (7nm Low Power Plus) and 5LPE (5nm Low Power Early) process technologies, combined with Arm's Artisan physical IP platform. However, it could still be some time before consumers see these high-powered Arm CPUs in devices. Initial production on the 7LPP process is set to begin in the second half of 2018. Samsung says 5LPE, the process technology after 7LPP, will allow greater area scaling and ultra-low power.
Re:Ah back to the old Mhz fight of the early 2000' (Score:4, Funny)
More MHz Better!!!
Joke's on you; they're talking about GHz.
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Joke's on you, GHz is made up of MHz!
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Slashdot really needs a "-1 Retarded" option for moderation.
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I know it can be difficult to read in this day and age, but they did mention laptops. Perhaps that means something.
Re:Pentium 4 again? (Score:4, Funny)
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Exactly right, and thus you need 3Ghz in your pocket. And in your other pocket, a small refrigerator for additional cooling. And in a third pocket, a small nuclear reactor to power it all.
Time to stop offloading work onto the client and keep it in the cloud server where it belongs
Tor browser will FTFY. (Score:2)
Give it a try [torproject.org].
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Except that Apple doesn't use ARM-designed cores. They make their own.
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If Samsung can do it, Apple can do it too. They're always neck-to-neck for their smartphone CPUs, just like Intel and AMD.
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If Samsung can do it, Apple can do it too. They're always neck-to-neck for their smartphone CPUs, just like Intel and AMD.
Actually, historically, they are at least a generation past Qualcomm.
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Except that Apple doesn't use ARM-designed cores. They make their own.
Uhhh... Yes they do - all of the A-series chips used in iOS products are ARM Based. Meaning they license the ARM chip design, modify it, then send it off to be manufactured.
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"Meaning they license the ARM chip design, modify it, then send it off to be manufactured."
I think how it works is that Apple and Qualcomm treat an ARM core as a black box with just interface specifications. Kind of like how you'd by an IC, except that you don't solder it but rather draw it in a chip design. Qualcomm/Apple decide how to interface cores with the other stuff that's on a SoC (modems, GPU, memory bus, USB logic, power management). The SoC designer never* gets to see what's inside the ARM core;
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Wrong. They license the ISA and build their own custom-designed cores around that. This is as stupid as saying that AMD cores use Intel cores just because they both use the x86 ISA.
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Their statement was well beyond someone being ignorant and was straight into someone who had no idea what they were talking about but proclaiming to be knowledgable. AKA someone that is stupid.
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Um, no, all of Apple's SoCs use ARM-designed cores.
Um, no, they don't. You're plainly an idiot.
What on earth made you think otherwise?
Facts and reality? Apple has an architectural license to ARM ISAs, but they do not use Cortex cores in their SoCs. They make their own cores based off the ARM ISA. Hence, they do not use the ARM-designed cores but their own designs that share an ISA. Again, as I point out above this is as dumb as saying that AMD uses Intel-designed cores simply because they share an ISA.
Frequency doesn't equal speed (Score:1)
Operating frequency, ie 3ghz is not the same thing as faster. Processor speed at completing tasks is a complicated mix of frequency, IPC and several other factors. Even at 200mhz faster the Qualacomm chip could still be significantly faster.
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With raw CPU performance and IPC the A76 should win every time for cpu restricted tasks. Other tasks may be varied more based on the full SOC, which given the A76 has takes up slightly more die area, it's more of a toss-up. Any way you cut it though, it looks like the A76 is very lean and mean modern chip, though it's still not going to compete flat out with an i7, even a mobile one on intensive tasks. Where it's be competitive is on workloads where the Intel processor is having trouble finding a lot of i
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That isn't the news here. Samsung already makes chips, and they're incrementally faster, same as chips from other fabs.
The news here is that they're teaming up with ARM and ARM is going to provide a bunch of logic compilers and IP blocks that are used to connect other IP blocks together. Remember, ARM chip designs don't come with peripherals; they're just the CPU. Their customers design the rest of the chip. So this deal also will bring some other ARM IP blocks to the Samsung offering.
Expect most of the chi
Meanwhile, from TSMC ... (Score:1)
Operating frequency, ie 3ghz is not the same thing as faster. Processor speed at completing tasks is a complicated mix of frequency, IPC and several other factors. Even at 200mhz faster the Qualacomm chip could still be significantly faster.
ARM collaborates not only with Samsung.
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From https://www.design-reuse.com/n... [design-reuse.com]
"ARM and TSMC announced a multi-year agreement to collaborate on a 7nm FinFET process technology which includes a design solution for future low-power, high-performance compute SoCs"
And on the frequency side of things
From https://www.anandtech.com/show... [anandtech.com]
"With the CLN5, TSMC will also offer an Extremely Low Threshold Voltage (ELTV) option that will enable its clients to increase frequencies of their chips by 2
Does Samsung have a foundry? (Score:2)
My company cross-licensed stuff from ARM, but the resulting chips came from foundry's A, B, or C. None of those foundries were named Samsung, ARM, nor Intel.
Having Samsung and ARM join up to make faster clock speeds just don't work. Neither Samsung nor ARM are in the business of cranking up cl
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It seems Samsung has many fabs, but perhaps two of them do microprocessors. So it seems they are in the business of cranking up clock speeds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
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ARM doesn't make chips, they aren't involved in fabrication, and their designs don't even include peripherals like I/O or memory or anything.
The story is about ARM providing logic compilers so that other companies can design the products that Samsung will manufacture. They will also provide some IP blocks that assist in connecting high performance peripherals.
ARM has nothing at all to do with the part about increased clock speeds. Don't expect headlines or summaries to capture actual events in the world.
But
Correction (Score:2)
Arm said Cortex-A76 chips would even challenge Intel's Core i7 on performance only when running native code
FTFY.
There aren't that many native Windows ARM applications so far.
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That could be true but it doesn't need to be a lot all they really needs is a full and complete version of MS office because the business user is really the target. A native .net framework that will allow you to easily recompile old .net also opens up a bunch of software.
I've been waiting a long time for arm to become competitive in the laptop/desktop market. Software appears to be moving along in small increments while the resources it consumes is moving in leaps and bounds hopefully a new competitive Arm
Much faster (Score:2)
Uh, the difference between 2.8GHz and 3GHz is about 7% .. not a lot when you consider the Apple A11, due to its larger die area, scores 15% more than the Qualcomm 845 in all the benchmark tests.
Faster chip set = quicker battery drain (Score:2)
Yawn (Score:1)