BYD Claims New Battery Factory Will Be 'Largest In the World' (electrek.co) 126
China's largest electric vehicle manufacturer, BYD, is opening a new battery factory that it claims will be the "largest in the world." Electrek reports: The factory is located in the western province of Qinghai and while it was "opened" this week, it is still under construction and BYD aims to complete it by the end of next year. BYD President and Chairman Wang Chuanfu said at the opening ceremony (via NDTV): "Electrification is a done deal as several countries have announced a deadline for the sale of internal combustion engine cars to end. Electric vehicles are on the cusp of another boom."
With a capacity of 24 GWh, this new battery factory should enable them to significantly increase production with a total battery production capacity of 60 GWh. BYD focuses on the production of prismatic LiFePO4 battery cells, different from most of the auto industry's NCA and NMC battery cells.
With a capacity of 24 GWh, this new battery factory should enable them to significantly increase production with a total battery production capacity of 60 GWh. BYD focuses on the production of prismatic LiFePO4 battery cells, different from most of the auto industry's NCA and NMC battery cells.
Giga is a joke (Score:3)
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According to electrek [electrek.co], Tesla's Gigafactory is already producing 20 GWh and will be over 100 GWh when fully completed. So I guess they should just call it the BYD megafactory.
The Capacity is the Joke (Score:3)
With a capacity of 24 GWh, this new battery factory should enable them to significantly increase production with a total battery production capacity of 60 GWh.
Per day? per second? per year? or lifetime total? Is 60 GWh the total production for all the factories the company owns or the final capacity of the completed factory?
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olfactory
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Only if they build a powerwall [xvideos.com] with said batteries.
My employer's corporate filter totally blocked that.
BeauHD shading the truth again... (Score:5, Informative)
China's largest electric vehicle manufacturer, BYD
That should be the world's largest electric vehicle manufacturer, BYD. Their EC180 is the best selling EV in the world, by a large margin. That might upset the Teslarati here, though, so i guess BeauHD took the easy way out...
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If this holds, then they will surpass all car makers later this year.
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Yes. Please keep up. :)
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Link, please. I can't find it anywhere. I find a lot of claims that Tesla came up a bit short, but did NOT reach 5000 units per week. Or are you stretching the truth again?
Well, there is this tweet [twitter.com] that says "7000 cars, 7 days". Not sure exactly what Elon means here. 7000 total cars or 7000 model 3s but Telsa has registered over 8000 new model 3 VINs in the last week.
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Did you read it? You seem to have replaced phrases like "seems to" and "it would appear that" with some that are more definitive.
"Again, the official numbers are not expected until the next few days, but it looks like it is very likely that it was achieved on the last day of production."
Perhaps 'close enough' is indeed 'close enough'...but it really isn't actually meeting the target unless it has actually met the target.
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Actually it is 7000 per week, 5000 of it are sedans. /. the story is there :D
Just reload
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The 5,000th car was finished at roughly 5 a.m. Sunday morning, hours after the Saturday midnight cutoff for complete fulfillment of the rate Elon Musk has been promising for well over a year.
I guess coming up short by 5 hours is a win? Yet another miss..
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Right. Because that's totally a material difference in the path to profitability.
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Tesla said it made 5000 Model 3s in a week? Really?
Elon's exact quote to his media side kick Fred Lambert: “Not only did we factory gate 5000 Model 3’s, but we also achieved the S & X production target for a combined 7000 vehicle week!” https://electrek.co/2018/07/01... [electrek.co]
Notice the difference in terminology between what is said of the 3 vs. S & X. "Factory gate" means the cars are made ready for delivery. Though, given that some pics taken of cars in that state show even that may even be a stretch(on top of Tesla's historic reli
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Re:BeauHD shading the truth again... (Score:4, Informative)
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Cumulative for American sales only. [insideevs.com]
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Come back to me when the EC180 has passed regulatory tests for the EU and USA so it can be sold in both those markets. I put it to you that an unsafe heap of junk is much easier to manufacture in volume.
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>In few years, many electric vehicles will be collapsed
The model S is already on the market for 6 years. how much is a few ?
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Relative to the population of automobiles in use by the public, the model S isn't 'a few.' It is a very very few.
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I know, right? If you want it done right, you need to do it yourself, I guess.
As we add more renewables to the grid, it seems likely that we'll be compounding grid instability as the number of connected cars go up. Think of the times that millions of people all hit the road at once, and imagine what that demand on the electric system is going to look like!
Everyone drives to grandma's house for Thanksgiving dinner, plugs in, and that day is overcast with little wind. Suddenly the demand for power is huge fro
Capacity? (Score:4, Informative)
I presume the 24GWh figure quoted is production capacity. If so, is that per day, per month, annually, what?
Reading the Fine Article it appears that it's an annual production figure but it's still not spelled out anywhere I could see. If so that's enough battery capacity for about 300,000 Tesla battery packs annually or maybe 500,000 cars from other manufacturers, including plug-in hybrids. A good start, but considering the numbers of cars built and sold each year around the world it's only a good start. That doesn't take into account the greater battery demand electric trucks, buses etc. either.
Re:Capacity? (Score:5, Informative)
in this article : https://electrek.co/2017/10/25... [electrek.co] Tesla aims for a 35 gwh production this year. They are planning at least 2 other Gigafactories.
Half a million Model 3 this year (Score:4, Informative)
According to all the articles in 2016, Tesla plans to build 500,000 Model 3 in 2018. They issued and sold an additional $2 billion in stock based on this plan.
Somehow Tesla's actual performance never resembles the plans they announce.
Re:Half a million Model 3 this year (Score:4, Funny)
Let's see. Tesla is making 5000 Model 3s a week (see post above) and 2018 has 100 weeks, 5000*100 =500000, right? Sounds like the Elon is right on target.
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Within epsilon they did. What is the big deal? Everyone knew it was going to be bloody hard to do and no one else, including BYD has come close to producing 7000 cars with > 60 KWHr battery packs in a week. Now that is a big deal.
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> Tesla has not yet reached 5000 model 3s per week. It's a false claim.
um, ...
https://electrek.co/2018/07/01/tesla-model-3-production-rate-5000-units-employees-celebrate/ [electrek.co]
https://electrek.co/2018/07/01/tesla-model-3-production-milestone-record-total-production-elon-musk/ [electrek.co]
Wait for the SEC report in a few days to be sure if they have reached this completely arbitrary threshold. And as always, it's as much the rate of chance as the instantaneous absolute value that matters.
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That 5,000 number includes vehicles produced last week, but not let out of the factory. It's BS. The numbers are still improving, but they aren't 5,000/week. Let them do it for four weeks in a row, THEN you can call it 5,000/week.
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I estimate moving goal posts. And a loss, as always predicted.
Final production numbers are now out by the way, 28,587 model 3's produced in Q2.
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Nobody cares about their 0.1% market share (Score:2)
Last year the big companies produced 75 million automobiles. Tesla produced less than 100 thousand.
Real car companies: 75,000,000
Tesla: 98,000
The car manufacturers care less about Tesla than they care about the weather.
> forcing the other manufacturers to start really pushing out electric cars.
You realize Nissan sold more electric cars BEFORE Tescam showed up than Musk ever has, right? The largest manufacturer of electric cars is BYD, and they were the largest before PT Musk Barnum starting pitching his
Oh yeah? (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, the Yanks are Trumping that by forbidding coal plants closing, expanding oil drilling to national preserves, and deep water.
Also in the works is deregulating pollution and gas mileage standards in patriotic non-China, made in America Great Again, America First non-electric transportation.
Suck it, Chins.
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Re:Oh yeah? (Score:4, Insightful)
It's true we need dispatchable power.
It's true that wind/solar are not dispatchable.
But why talk about geo-thermal and nuke in that context? Neither of them are considered dispatchable: they're base-load precisely *because* they take ages to spin up and shut down. They may have characteristics you prefer to wind / solar, but whatever else you like about them, they don't offer dispatchability as a competitive advantage.
And, this article is all about battery storage... which turns non-dispatchable wind/solar into instantaneously dispatchable power.
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In addition, all of the new nukes are designed for demand following and can change loads typically from 25-100% in minutes (yeah, it has to be running ).
One of my favorites is NuScale which has some pretty capabilities.
10. Can NuScale’s SMR technology be complementary to Renewables? Yes. NuScale’s SMR technology includes unique capabilities for following electric load requirements as they vary with customer dem [nuscalepower.com]
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I'm willing to stand corrected on geothermal if you can provide some links to examples of plants operating today that are dispatchable. I had a look and couldn't find any examples.
For nukes, not so much. There are no NuScale power plants operating commercially, and won't be till 2025. By then, battery tech will have advanced considerably, and it really isn't reasonable to critique solar and wind for being non-dispatchable while ignoring the fact that by then, there'll be a lot of solar / wind + battery stor
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I'm willing to stand corrected on geothermal if you can provide some links to examples of plants operating today that are dispatchable. I had a look and couldn't find any examples.
Not only are they not designed that way, but the largest geothermal plant in the USA is at The Geysers in California, just over the hill from Old Faithful. OF is no longer faithful; steam emissions from the geyser have reduced over the years. The same is true of steam at The Geysers, and they have been pumping primary-treated sewage into the ground to keep the steam coming for quite some years now. This provably increased seismicity in the region, so Calpine had to set up a fund and pay hundreds of millions
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Your gripe about geothermal is that they removed the sludge/minerals off their turbines. I agree that simply washing them off and leaving it around is foolish and stupid. In fact, it is stupid because that is a highly concentrated form of elements. It does contain lead and mercury, but it also contains, li, U, P, Pu, Ag, Th, Au, Fe, Cu, etc. Nearly all of these are regarded as important today. Simple regulations that require that they not throw it away and in fact, perhaps some tax breaks to encou
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He also observed that geothermal led to increased seismicity.
And that the toxins, shit and radioactive materials (what you called sludge) also goes into the atmosphere.
And that the containment solutions that have in fact been used (vs the theoretical solution you suggest could be used) are not going to last because of seismic activity.
And that the cleanups have already cost hundreds of millions.
And that the plants don't produce as much power as promised.
And that they cost more than promised.
You are only hea
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but it also contains, li, U, P, Pu, Ag, Th, Au, Fe, Cu, etc.
Not in nearly enough quantities to be useful.
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Erm, why should a geo thermal plant not be dispatchable?
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Because the engineering hasn't been set up to enable it to be? Because it's designed to provide base-load? Because some obscure financial engineering calculation means that the NPV for keeping the plant running continuous is higher than for dispatchable ops? Who knows, plenty of reasons.
But all I asked was for an actual example. It can't be that hard, surely! I'm not trying to trick anyone, I genuinely want to know: are there examples of operating dispatchable geothermal plants? Seems like there should be,
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I would assume that every geothermal plant is dispatchable. So no one made a list if the 'dispatchable ones' ....
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http://cleanenergyaction.org/2... [cleanenergyaction.org]
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Seems a reasonable assumption that they all are. But then you would expect to find descriptions of the performance spec of the dispatchability online, the same way you do for rated power capacity etc.
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Yeah I saw that. But it's an article about the future of geothermal, it says nothing about today's plants.
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Most plants don't publish their "dispatchability".
But for a geothermal plant it is a no brainer that it is dispatchable. The more water you pump down the more steam comes up ...
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Coo, you sound like you have real expertise. Interesting to hear that "most" plants don't publish their dispatchability. Because if you're correct, then a minority of plants do. So, care to provide a link to a single one? That's all I've been asking for from the outset.
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Check wikipedia. They usually write an overview how much % per minute or per 10 minutes a 'typical plant' can change its power output.
If you are so interested in particular plants, it likely makes more sense to write an email to their public relations office.
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Sheesh.
I know what dispatchable means. I also know there's a difference between theory and practice. I asked if you could provide any examples of geothermal plants which actually operate on a dispatchable basis because I wanted to know if there's any practice to go alongside the theory. You responded by telling me about the theory.
So rather than be snarky, how about coming up with the goods? I will accept with good grace any reasonable examples you provide (ie commercial, not exploratory).
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"these days it makes more sense to build wind, solar and wave farms as those do less damage to the land."
Run everything from intermittent power sources. Great plan if you aren't compulsive about having the lights come on when you throw the switch.
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You can combine PV solar plants with farming.
They experiment with that in Japan.
You basically try to distribute the PV cells so that about 30% of the area is under shadow, as the shadow wanders with the sun, it leaves enough sun for many plants.
OTOH it obviously makes sense to use roofs and walls of houses, or build them over parking lots to gain shadow.
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While I admit the attraction of electric trousers, I hope they eventually electrify a whole pair of pants.
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist)
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I wish Honda made an EV I might go for that if it were in the 25-30k range something the size of a civic or accord. But the key measure is being able to run at least 300 miles on a charge unfortunately to do so still costs about 18-25k in batteries depending on the size of the car. A smart car with 60mile range has 18kw and that would cos
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That's nice and all but Nissan's are fairly unpleasant cars to drive... (quite a few I've driven as rentals they have the worst interior finish, and worst driving handling)
You clearly have never driven a Toyota. Their interior materials are about the same, but their handling is grossly inferior, and they come with a price premium compared to Nissans. For instance, for what it costs to buy (or rent) a Yaris, you could get a Sentra/Almera, actually going up a whole vehicle class.
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Nissan battery pants. Are they cooled pants or heated pants? Because with the current weather I'd sure buy a pair of cooled pants right now.
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I have a pair of these too. A little bulky, but great for road trips, because I don’t have to keep stopping to recharge my devices. And when we do pause for dinner, Denny’s lets me plug my butt in for a while.
Good! (Score:2)
It doesn't seem like this factory is anywhere near the point of cranking out batteries but it will still be good to have another battery factory. It may not be for batteries most people use but changing the type of batteries you make faster than going from not making batteries. The world is in dire need of more lithium batteries and at a lower cost, so a new battery plant is always welcome.
My hope is that one of these giant battery factories gets all the kinks worked out of it's automation and that they b
LiFePO4 has a major advantage. (Score:4, Informative)
The shelf life of LiFePO4 is substantially longer than Li-Ion. That translates to laptops and cell phones that you don't end up replacing after a few years years because the battery that used to last two days is now only lasting two hours.
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Lithium batteries lose capacity through use; shelf life has nothing to do with it.
A good Li-Poly typically has 2-5% self-discharge rate per month.
LiPO is totally different to Li-Po (Score:3)
Lithium-Polymer's are the usual Lithium-Cobalt based chemistry. Chemically no different from a laptop battery. 3.6-3.7 volts per cell. These have the highest energy density and are prone to spontaneously going on fire.
Lithium-Phosphates are a distinct separate battery group using rare-earths and with no Cobalt. 3.1-3.2 volts per cell. Energy density is closer to NiMH batteries and don't have thermal issues.